Which gospel should I believe to be saved ?

[DavidTree]

Abraham is being used as a type, but the type is not identical. For us, as Abraham believed God about the good news of his offspring, we too can have righteousness if we believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.

You are relying on carnal intellect in attempting to understand the Spirit of the Word.

Read and Pray the Gospel of John into your spirit and soul.
Then go on to Acts and do the same.
Then go on to 1 Corinthians and do the same.

You will be Richly rewarded if you read and pray in faith to what God says - PEACE my friend

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The thing is only a repentant heart would believe that Jesus would save them. some of us are lucky enough to have grown up in a Christian home under some of the best kinds of believers others like me were wanderers living life as we pleased I believed Jesus could save me but I had no intention of changing my ways.
Don't get me wrong there was a time when I wanted to be saved but I knew that I cared more about what I wanted to do, it wasn't until I finally came to him in rags a sinner who had nothing left to live for except save that he might come into my heart and I repented of all my doings

A repentant heart in my opinion is not merely about apologizing for what we are and have done it is a heart that has been humbled truly ready to change their ways God knows our hearts better than anyone if one comes to him asking for salvation but only intends to keep doing as they pleased he knows they are not ready to be saved.
Whether a repentance is required to be saved or not in my view should be obvious because only a humbled repentant heart can truly be changed by him when he comes into us, it's kind of like slapping a person in the face everyday saying your sorry but you continue to slap them everytime you see them obviously they are not really sorry and won't stop

repentance brother is what’s to
Be preached until the end of the world . Repentance and remission of sins

It’s the message of the Bible

“Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:45-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If it feels Like a slap to hear about repentance somethings not right. Sometimes the offense is in the perception of the person perceiving it.

discussing the need for
Repentance isn’t a slap it’s just truth

 

[Pilgrimshope]

For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Romans 4:3

Galatians 3:5
just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness:
and he was called the Friend of God. James 2:23

ONLY God's Friends get into Heaven.

“Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his Lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Runningman]

The word, Gospel, in the Bible refers to One. Do not fear not understanding this, however if you have faith, hou will believe this.
This is not some kind of dare, no, it is simply trute.

I'm just curious because I don't understand what you're saying. I prayed about it and it seems gospel means good news, but I already knew that. People rated your previous comment i responded to as high quality, so I'm really curious now. What verses suggest Abraham was told about Jesus' gospel?

 

[DavidTree]

I'm just curious because I don't understand what you're saying. I prayed about it and it seems gospel means good news, but I already knew that. People rated your previous comment i responded to as high quality, so I'm really curious now. What verses suggest Abraham was told about Jesus' gospel?

Have you read Genesis?

 

[Runningman]

Have you read Genesis?

Well yeah of course. LoL. And?

 

[Mem]

When Isaac asked, "but father, where is the sacrifice?" we may get a better understanding of Abraham's answer, "The LORD will provide Himself a sacrifice," by setting apart the sacrifice, Himself, simply by applying two otherwise unused commas as punctuation. I believe this is more likely in line with the spirit by which Abraham spoke this.

 

[DavidTree]

Well yeah of course. LoL. And?

You asked "What verses suggest Abraham was told about Jesus' gospel?"

It is in Genesis, in detail, in the lives of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

Do you know that God Himself preached/prophesied the Gospel to satan in the Garden after he brought sin/death to Eve and the world?

 

[Mem]

When Isaac asked, "but father, where is the sacrifice?" we may get a better understanding of Abraham's answer, "The LORD will provide Himself a sacrifice," by setting apart the sacrifice, Himself, simply by applying two otherwise unused commas as punctuation. I believe this is more likely in line with the spirit by which Abraham spoke this.

see it?
Genesis 22:8
(NASB) Abraham said, “God will provide for Himself the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.” So the two of them walked on together.

the original language more closely reads, "God will provide, Himself, the lamb, for the burnt offering, my son."

 

[Runningman]

When Isaac asked, "but father, where is the sacrifice?" we may get a better understanding of Abraham's answer, "The LORD will provide Himself a sacrifice," by setting apart the sacrifice, Himself, simply by applying two otherwise unused commas as punctuation. I believe this is more likely in line with the spirit by which Abraham spoke this.

It's possible to prophesy without even realizing it, as is the case here in Genesis 22:8. Abraham had no idea that he was foreshadowing something God would do later, but obviously didn't know all of the details. For example, Jesus was not a burnt offering as Genesis 22:8 says so just based on that alone it's possible to interpret this differently.

 

[Mem]

It's possible to prophesy without even realizing it, as is the case here in Genesis 22:8. Abraham had no idea that he was foreshadowing something God would do later, but obviously didn't know all of the details. For example, Jesus was not a burnt offering as Genesis 22:8 says so just based on that alone it's possible to interpret this differently.

yes but, neither was He actually a lamb nor a red heifer, although His sacrifice was received in the same manner and as all the more so genuinely offered.

 

[Runningman]

yes but, neither was He actually a lamb nor a red heifer, although His sacrifice was received in the same manner and as all the more so genuinely offered.

The slaughtering of the lamb and burning it aren't the same thing though. Lamb of God is figurative language because Jesus was sacrificed but He was not burnt. The bit in Genesis 22:8 about God providing a burnt offering does not sound like that's a reference to Jesus. Just saying. You can believe what you want.

 

[Runningman]

You asked "What verses suggest Abraham was told about Jesus' gospel?"

It is in Genesis, in detail, in the lives of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

Do you know that God Himself preached/prophesied the Gospel to satan in the Garden after he brought sin/death to Eve and the world?

There's a lot in Genesis so I'm just asking. If you don't want to discuss the chapter(s) and verse(s) that's fine.

 

[Mem]

The slaughtering of the lamb and burning it aren't the same thing though. Lamb of God is figurative language because Jesus was sacrificed but He was not burnt. The bit in Genesis 22:8 about God providing a burnt offering does not sound like that's a reference to Jesus. Just saying. You can believe what you want.

I do, and do wonder if he actually said, 'God will provide Himself, the lamb, for a burnt offering, my Son. I sort of wish we had to learn the original unadulterated language instead of rely on translators who lived 1500 years after the speaking. But then again that would risk that only a small number would really bother to learn scripture.

 

[DavidTree]

There's a lot in Genesis so I'm just asking. If you don't want to discuss the chapter(s) and verse(s) that's fine.

i believe the chapters that cover the lives of Abraham, Isaac and Jacon are ch8 -ch24 - this is just off the top of my head.

 

[DavidTree]

The slaughtering of the lamb and burning it aren't the same thing though. Lamb of God is figurative language because Jesus was sacrificed but He was not burnt. The bit in Genesis 22:8 about God providing a burnt offering does not sound like that's a reference to Jesus. Just saying. You can believe what you want.

The burning of the Sacrifice symbolizes Resurrection as the smoke is symbolic of Spirit and Rises up to the Heavens.

The Fire is symbolic of Spiritual Purification/Holiness unto the LORD = Holy Spirit

Who was in the Fire with Shadrach Mishach and Abednigo?

For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God. Deut 4:24

There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. Exodus 3:2

When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like a mighty rushing wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting.
They saw tongues like flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. Acts ch2

 

[John146]

You are relying on carnal intellect in attempting to understand the Spirit of the Word.

Read and Pray the Gospel of John into your spirit and soul.
Then go on to Acts and do the same.
Then go on to 1 Corinthians and do the same.

You will be Richly rewarded if you read and pray in faith to what God says - PEACE my friend

Nope, I'm relying on the clear words of God.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I'm just curious because I don't understand what you're saying. I prayed about it and it seems gospel means good news, but I already knew that. People rated your previous comment i responded to as high quality, so I'm really curious now. What verses suggest Abraham was told about Jesus' gospel?

“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


it’s a reference to Gods first interactions and first promise to Abraham

“Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee:

and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭12:1-3‬ ‭

later God said this

“And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:16-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

later to Isaac it is said

“And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭26:4‬ ‭KJV‬

this keeps on until David is promised also a son that will Bless everyone and be the king of Gods kingdom eternally

Paul’s main point is the gospel is for all nations not isreal Only like the law of Moses which came after because israel
Transgressed


“And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:17-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law was until Christ came preaching the kingdom .

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man ( all nations ) presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel of the kingdom is for all nations on earth and began at Jerusalem . all People can be saved by the gospel . Because “the seed “ is Jesus who is the fulfillment of Abraham’s ancient promise.

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

which is what the gospel is about

“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ is the seed of promise always referred to so when we get baptized into Christ it makes us Abraham’s seed and heirs of that promise to all people in Christ of eternal Life through the spirit in Christ

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
…And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27, 29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Abraham’s promise is the gospel and David’s continuing promise is the kingdom of God.

“And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is the fulfillment of all those promises in the ot about the son and seed to come and bless all nations , the messiah he’s even the seed promised to Eve that would overcome and crush the serpents head but suffer a strike from the serpent.

Jesus defeated satan forever but he suffered greatly and died in order to do it and then Rose up victoriously but it cost him a lot

 

[Pilgrimshope]

There's a lot in Genesis so I'm just asking. If you don't want to discuss the chapter(s) and verse(s) that's fine.

Paul quotes and teaches the gospel directly from verses about Abraham’s life found in heaven raid several
Times in his epistles it’s the best place to
Understand how Abraham’s life impacts Christianity paul was a revelatior of the ot mysteries

here’s a couple references

“By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:17-

he’s explaining with revelation this event revealing how it was Abraham receiving Christ in a figure of faith through isaacs sacrifice receiving back his son who was as good as dead , but God delivered Isaac .

“And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:8-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel response is God offering his only son in sacrifice for man and Jesus dying and raising up again.

the apostles all teach from the Old Testament times of Abraham David Isaiah and the prophets

 

[DavidTree]

Paul quotes and teaches the gospel directly from verses about Abraham’s life found in heaven raid several
Times in his epistles it’s the best place to
Understand how Abraham’s life impacts Christianity paul was a revelatior of the ot mysteries

here’s a couple references

“By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:17-

he’s explaining with revelation this event revealing how it was Abraham receiving Christ in a figure of faith through isaacs sacrifice receiving back his son who was as good as dead , but God delivered Isaac .

“And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:8-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel response is God offering his only son in sacrifice for man and Jesus dying and raising up again.

the apostles all teach from the Old Testament times of Abraham David Isaiah and the prophets

It's ALL there in Genesis = even Revelation.