Where in scripture are instructions to cancel the feasts?

[Blik]

a person could do either without doing the other, and we're plainly not under the law: in the new covenant, we are free - though righteousness does not change.

It seems to me that people are reading into "we are not under the law" differently than God means us to understand this. It is so true that we are not judged according to the law for our salvation. Salvation is a free gift based on faith. But that does not say it is right to ignore God's guidance for how we are to live based on "not being under law". Also, that all of God's guidance to us is thought of as law, and law in the sense of either obey or go to jail is wrong I feel sure.

When we are made righteous through the forgiveness Christ offers we become dead to the law, all sin is forgiven and gone from us and we put Christ in our hearts. You cannot live with Christ and welcome sin, it is not possible. Nor is it possible to live with Christ in our hearts and ignore all Christ tells us. Christ and the Father are one. We have only one God.

I think honoring the feasts is part of that guidance that God gives us and leads to blessings.

 

[Dino246]

Also, that all of God's guidance to us is thought of as law, and law in the sense of either obey or go to jail is wrong I feel sure.

This (in bold) is called equivocation. It's not good because it causes confusion as to what is meant by "law".

When a Christian uses the term, "law" in reference to scriptural principles, and without any qualifiers, it usually means, "the Law as given through Moses". When you start using that term to mean "all of God's guidance to us", you cause confusion because you aren't making the clear and necessary distinction between the Mosaic Law, commands given outside the Mosaic Law, God's communication to His people outside of those categories, and general scriptural principles.

 

[Blik]

i think Blik gets a worse reception than she deserves. i think she really makes posts like this, and says what she does, because she wants to honor God, and she wants to spur us to do so too. it's just my opinion - and i hope it's not offensive to her - that her understanding of what the believer's relationship to the law is, isn't as enlightened as it could be. of course i believe that's the case with all of us, that we are dimmer than we ought to be. and i think this is why the apostle wrote to us, that we should soberly look at ourselves and ask who are we to judge another man's servant? one observes a day, and one doesn't - and both the one that observes the day and the one that doesn't do so to the Lord. it's to the Lord that the servant is beholden to, not to us. i'm not qualified to say this is some kind of matter of maturity in each individual -- the fact that Paul would write such a thing tells me, and the Spirit agrees, that it is the heart, not the physical observance or neglect, which is judged and which proves the faith of the soul.

as i would say with sabbath i would say with the feasts - no one should be judging one another over these things; whether judging for observing or judging for failing to observe. that's the clear message i read in Colossians, and that is in fact a matter of maturity: whether we think to measure each other by such things, and sit as judge.

My reason for this post was to check my study of scripture. I am retired and in a care home, my time is now devoted to painting with oils and scripture study. I have no family. My purpose with my posts is to check my understanding of the Lord, it is part of my scripture study and I have time to devote hours and hours each day to it. I am quite isolated from other Christians, almost all the residents here do not include the Lord in their thinking, even. I am too old and blind to drive. I communicate with other Christians through this site, it is a blessing to me even if my understand of the Lord is quite unpopular and I am accused of some awful things.

 

[Whispered]

It seems to me that people are reading into "we are not under the law" differently than God means us to understand this. It is so true that we are not judged according to the law for our salvation. Salvation is a free gift based on faith. But that does not say it is right to ignore God's guidance for how we are to live based on "not being under law". Also, that all of God's guidance to us is thought of as law, and law in the sense of either obey or go to jail is wrong I feel sure.

When we are made righteous through the forgiveness Christ offers we become dead to the law, all sin is forgiven and gone from us and we put Christ in our hearts. You cannot live with Christ and welcome sin, it is not possible. Nor is it possible to live with Christ in our hearts and ignore all Christ tells us. Christ and the Father are one. We have only one God.

I think honoring the feasts is part of that guidance that God gives us and leads to blessings.

What ends up happening in discussions like this at a point such as we've come to, where some are becoming near irate and disassembling others posts claiming they are causing confusion of an issue that is already filled with pejoratives, ad hominemns and red herrings, is the name calling grows worse. The assault on a particular persons intellect enters in, and it all boils and froths into evidence that the most inflammatory protestations demonstrate a lack of grace. We can't lose our grace when we're thinking we're rightly dividing the word of Truth.

And when Jesus told us we're to love our enemies and do good unto those who do harm unto us, we're a pitiful sight when we're verbally assailing one another when we all claim the name of Christ.

What you and I have been reading here from those opposed to the laws of God, because while called, the laws of Moses, they were not authored by Moses, they were given unto Moses by God. All the laws in the Old Testament are the laws of God. Every last one, appears to be a oft repeated collective rhetoric without basis. It's simply proscribed in argumentum ad nauseam."Jesus came and brought the Gospel and now the law of God no longer applies."

What isn't mentioned is that we cannot find the scriptures, as you've requested be posted, as I myself have, as others have, without satisfaction of our requests for proof of nullification. Proof in God's own words wherein Jesus says the law is done away, the Sabbath doesn't matter anymore, and the feast days are no longer to be followed by those who follow Him.

There are none. There will never be found such a thing. Period. That's the actual satisfaction to the query. And why? Because it was the Jerusalem Council , found in the Book of Acts chapter 15,and chapter 21 that decided such a thing as that. The Apostle James, the brother of Jesus, Peter, Paul, Barnabas, the elders in Jerusalem, decided the issue. And it started with the contentious matter of Circumcision.
It was there that it was decided that those who believe in Jesus the Christ did not have to convert to Judaism to be saved. And being non-Jews, Gentiles, "Christians", do not then keep to the things that the Jews are commanded to by God.

What was arrived at during this Council were four things decided as prohibitions for the Gentile/Christian believer. Because the first Christians were converted Jews. These prohibitions are,no idols, no eating nor drinking blood, no sexual immorality (Porneia) , and no consumption of meats (animals of course) that were strangled to death.

This is because the blood remains in them that way, rather than what we today know as butchery wherein the animal is suspended after slaughter and the blood drains out. This is also a dietary prohibition as would pertain today to what we would know as meat cooked rare, or even medium rare. Blood still in the meat even when it is cooked to a degree.

....The Council's Letter to Gentile Believers
22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, 23 with the following letter: “The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers[c] who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. 24 Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you[d] with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

30 So when they were sent off, they went down to Antioch, and having gathered the congregation together, they delivered the letter. 31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced because of its encouragement. 32 And Judas and Silas, who were themselves prophets, encouraged and strengthened the brothers with many words. 33 And after they had spent some time, they were sent off in peace by the brothers to those who had sent them.[e] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.

Footnotes

1. [c]Acts 15:23 Or brothers and sisters; also verses 32, 33, 36
2. [d]Acts 15:24 Some manuscripts some persons from us have troubled you
3. [e]Acts 15:33 Some manuscripts insert verse 34: But it seemed good to Silas to remain there

Realize also in this Jerusalem council Paul defended his background as a Pharisee. The Apostles, Peter, Paul, and others were at odds about Circumcision when they were in their respective ministries spreading the Gospel.

Paul and the Apostles were believed to be guided to this end by the Comforter, Holy Spirit God , in fulfilling Jesus Great Commission to them. Why then would men guided by the Holy Spirit "hear" different things from the Holy Spirit if it was Holy Spirit leading their respective ministry?
And how did these men arrive at a decision among themselves concerning those at odds issues? Did the Holy Spirit concede to one view only, when before we're to think HS was leading different views to be taught by the different servants of God?

No! We're led to think when Paul, a Pharisee, came to find Christ on the Damascus road that he forsook Judaism entire, including teaching (by inspration of the Holy Spirit), the law.
However, if we read in the Book of Acts chapter 21, during the Jerusalem Council, Paul was exhorted to prove to his fellows that he still kept the law. And he did! So as to prove he, Paul, still kept the law.
23 Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law.


The other matter is that which insists the Ten Words of God, or, the Ten Commandments, no longer apply to the Christian. As my grandsire would say, Balderdash youngster! I can still hear his voice when I recall those words of his.

As many of us have argued, Jesus not only reiterated the Ten Commandments/Ten Words , he also wove them into His sermons. (Linked early on here).

So, where did the idea that the Ten Commands/Words, no longer apply? Any Lutheran here will be able to answer I expect. This is why I have said, many people here arguing their belief about the Ten Commands, Feasts, etc... are doing so likely because their allegiance is to a Denomination and Christ.

Martin Luther taught this! That's why you won't find Jesus teaching it first. Martin Luther said the Ten Commands/Words of God are for the Jews!
""The Ten Commandments do not apply to us, Gentiles and Christians, but only to the Jews. If a preacher wishes to force you back to Moses, ask him if you were brought by Moses out of Egypt."


I hope this helps.

 

[Whispered]

My reason for this post was to check my study of scripture. I am retired and in a care home, my time is now devoted to painting with oils and scripture study. I have no family. My purpose with my posts is to check my understanding of the Lord, it is part of my scripture study and I have time to devote hours and hours each day to it. I am quite isolated from other Christians, almost all the residents here do not include the Lord in their thinking, even. I am too old and blind to drive. I communicate with other Christians through this site, it is a blessing to me even if my understand of the Lord is quite unpopular and I am accused of some awful things.

That breaks my heart.
God bless you Blik.

 

[Whispered]

And yes. post #204 is another long winded post of mine. However, I figured it as time.

When we start to get frustrated with one another and our respective beliefs and resort to all manner of rude behavior, I've even got a bit tiffed I admit in some threads, it is time I think to settle down and realize what we're arguing about. And where it really all started from.

God does not contradict Himself. He doesn't waste His time. He is not a man(but a Holy Spirit) that He should lie.

Why then would men, like Luther, think to speak to what God said, and then say, aw, He meant it only for the Jews! When the Old Testament Salvation model and sin debt practice was a foreshadowing of better to come. The New Testament, the New Covenant, and Jesus, eternal Salvation, and Life, through the irrevocable gift of Holy God and for the world. That whosoever among that human population would believe in Jesus, they would not perish in their sins but would have eternal irrevocable immortal life in Christ! (Who was born a Jew). And yet, because the Messiah prophecy was of the Jews, God knows, GOD KNOWS, we are all one in Christ. No male, female, Jew, Gentile.

God's laws didn't save then, so how can we claim we are to imagine they can save now?

Think peace people! God is watching.

Group

 

[Blik]

This (in bold) is called equivocation. It's not good because it causes confusion as to what is meant by "law".

When a Christian uses the term, "law" in reference to scriptural principles, and without any qualifiers, it usually means, "the Law as given through Moses". When you start using that term to mean "all of God's guidance to us", you cause confusion because you aren't making the clear and necessary distinction between the Mosaic Law, commands given outside the Mosaic Law, God's communication to His people outside of those categories, and general scriptural principles.

The actual all inclusive law of the Lord is love. Everything the Lord tells us can be related to that and is simply a way of God expressing it to us. You are pulling out the ten commandments and saying they are separate, but they aren't, each one is a way of loving. When you love you don't murder, steal, speak ill of what you love.

 

[Lanolin]

well God did get tired of the feasts actually and said he hated the way the Israelites celebrated them.

Possibly they just got out of hand like Christmas has today.

see Amos 5:21

and Isaiah 1:14

 

[Lanolin]

also its pretty clear gentiles did not need to be circumcised to become christians as book of Acts tells us.

I dont know why OP continues to go on and on and on about this. Not everyone here is an israelite and bound by the old covenant. In fact most christians come to faith as gentiles. Thus we (gentiles) were never under the old mosaic covenant or law.

the only covnenat all of mankind and the animals are under is the one made with Noah.

we gentiles now get to share in the blessings but remember how the israelites just couldnt keep every single commandment. Thats why Jesus came. Good try though.

 

[JamOn]

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Scripture clearly tells us that we are to be guided by the Holy Spirit, not by the fleshly commands of fleshly circumcision or special diet. It explains why God did this. I don’t find the commands for cancelling the Sabbath or the feasts. These instructions are about worship and praising God very different from what circumcision and diet are about.

I studied history to discover when and how these cancellations came about. I searched information from the dead sea scrolls as well as established ancient history as Harvard and Yale teaches it. I found that it is probable that these decisions were based on what was happening in the secular world at that time rather than scripture teaching.

History tells us that when the Jews rebelled against Rome in 70 and 132 the Romans killed so many Jerusalem Jews the blood ran in the streets. Before this the Jews headed the Christian church councils, men like James the earthly brother of Jesus. They only had the OT, and the Jews knew it well, the gentiles didn’t. The gentile church heads were familiar with their pagan worship and they only changed gods, keeping a lot of their customs like Sunday church. They felt God wanted them to oppose Jews who denied Christ, they were against anything Jewish.

Adding to this was enmity between Christian Jews and those who denied Christ because Bar Kokbha who headed the revolt of 132 was said to be the messiah. They did not want to join ones who thought this, even to oppose Roman rule. When they would not help in the war, the Jews became angry at the Christian Jews.

For over 300 years these ideas influenced the church and there were many diverse ideas written about. There was no central council, no unification. Then came an Emperor of Rome (Constantine) who made Christianity the official religion, changing from pagan worship. He wanted a united Christianity, a central ruling council. The people of the church were called to meet. From this council meeting we have the Apostles’ Creed, and the church was unified. But along with this came the idea of the Jews having such wrong ideas everything they did must be opposed. Even Passover was tossed out, they said their Easter they created replaced it.

I think it is time we take a closer look at the policies they established. The idea of scripture telling us not to be led in worship by the seasons like the pagans do as a reason it means to cancel Sabbath on the last day of the week instead of the first, or that Mary discovered Christ had risen these or that Mary established Sunday because she discovered on Sunday morning that Christ had risen during the night has been thoroughly disproved as reasons, so let’s not go over that dead end again. Something so important as these cancellations would have been made clear in scripture like circumcision and diet has. Where are these instructions?

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Huh you may have something there, in around about 20AD sum 250,000 lambs slaughtered on the Passover feast. so yea with today’s population that number should be around 10 million lambs slaughtered at the Passover meals arg that’s a lot of blood.

maybe some lamb chops from Kroger’s.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

It seems to me that people are reading into "we are not under the law" differently than God means us to understand this. It is so true that we are not judged according to the law for our salvation. Salvation is a free gift based on faith. But that does not say it is right to ignore God's guidance for how we are to live based on "not being under law". Also, that all of God's guidance to us is thought of as law, and law in the sense of either obey or go to jail is wrong I feel sure.

When we are made righteous through the forgiveness Christ offers we become dead to the law, all sin is forgiven and gone from us and we put Christ in our hearts. You cannot live with Christ and welcome sin, it is not possible. Nor is it possible to live with Christ in our hearts and ignore all Christ tells us. Christ and the Father are one. We have only one God.

I think honoring the feasts is part of that guidance that God gives us and leads to blessings.

Is keeping the festivals "guidance" or was it a command to Israel?

It was a command, and not guidance.

Being "under the law" means to be under the authority and condemnation of the law, and believers are released from these commands in terms of condemnation.

AND the ceremonial aspects of the Law are not applicable to believers. Presumably, you claim that days and diet are not ceremonial in nature, but I would ask whether you think all the clean/unclean laws are also in effect, including being unclean after touching a menstruous woman. So, if you shake hands with a menstruous woman after church services, are you unclean?

The reality is, the Mosaic Law does have some element of underlying moral requirements, which are basically reflective of the "image of God" or "image of Christ" therefore a real believer would want to observe those things..the problem is that Judaizers throw in ceremonial aspects such as days, diets, and physical circumcision and demand that others observe the same things, or they are categorized as unbelievers. I was a part of this camp for over a decade.

The other question I would ask is whether are you consider Sunday observing Christians as true believers in Christ, simply observing another day as yourself. Or, do you consider them to be pagans, that observe the day of the Sun?

As an ex-Sabbath/festival observer, I would see no harm in some kind of fake observance (where they don't go to Israel as Deut 16:16 commands, and they don't build a Sukkot as commanded), but inevitably those individuals separate themselves from the body of Christ, except for some Messianic Jews such as Jews for Jesus, who observe Jewish holidays, because it is their family tradition and they don't want to separate away from family.

 

[Reba1]

Awesome way to point out a HUGE problem with believing all these things aren't fulfilled. That the judgement didn't already come, and that we still need a temple, these things are finished for ALL time. If these things didn't happen when Gods temple was on earth then it's all false unless scripture is still open. This is a HUGE whole in the word of God when you believe in a coming 3rd temple.

Amen @Jimbone
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

 

[Nehemiah6]

I dont know why OP continues to go on and on and on about this.

That is called RESISTANCE TO THE TRUTH.

When a person is given the truth there are only two options:

(1) Accept the truth, admit error, repent of false doctrine, and believe the Word of God,

or

(2) RESIST, RESIST, RESIST (just like the unhinged Democrats).

 

[Blik]

well God did get tired of the feasts actually and said he hated the way the Israelites celebrated them.

Possibly they just got out of hand like Christmas has today.

see Amos 5:21

and Isaiah 1:14

This is the first post against the feasts that seems to agree with scripture. God is against Judaizers. By that, according to Amos 5:21 and Isaiah 1:14 they are ones who do the fleshly things but ignore the spiritual. God says it isn't what we put in our stomachs that defiles us, it is what is in our minds and hearts. The same with fleshly circumcision. For years the church has said that the feasts fit this and I am saying the feasts don't fit that. These verses seem to be saying I am wrong. Perhaps you are correct and I am wrong. We are to celebrate God's plan for our celebration in spirit and truth, not in fleshly acts.

So the real question is whether celebrating feasts are fleshly acts or spiritual ones? Do we need to follow our spirit with acts of the flesh?

So the question is whether the feasts are celebrating salvation in spirit and truth?

 

[oldethennew]

Hub and I keep the feasts because we desire to follow Christ's Example, it's really that simple =
nothing lost, but so much to be gained...

 

[Reba1]

Exo 13:4 This day came ye out in the month Abib.
Exo 13:5 And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in this month.
Exo 13:6 Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be a feast to the LORD.
Exo 13:7 Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee in all thy quarters.
Exo 13:8 And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt.
Exo 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.
Exo 13:10 Thou shalt therefore keep this ordinance in his season from year to year.

 

[Reba1]

Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Lev 23:17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.
Lev 23:18 And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the LORD, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the LORD.
Lev 23:19 Then ye shall sacrifice one kid of the goats for a sin offering, and two lambs of the first year for a sacrifice of peace offerings.
Lev 23:20 And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits for a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest.
Lev 23:21 And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
Lev 23:22 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.

 

[Reba1]

Lev 23:33 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
Lev 23:35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
Lev 23:38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev 23:40 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
Lev 23:41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
Lev 23:42 Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
Lev 23:43 That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 23:44 And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.

 

[Reba1]

Posted above are 3 of the 7 feast of the Lord . Being able to follow and complete these feast is an impressive accomplishment .

 

[Timothy5378]

THE LAW OF MOSES OR LEVITICAL LAW IS GONE...FOR JESUS FULLFILLED IT...WE ARE FREE FROM IT LIKE A WIDOW IS FREE FROM HER OLD HUSBAND...GALATIANS....THE FEASTS HAD SACRIFICES WITH THEM AND THAT Jesus took care of all and nailed it to the cross...we don't have to keep wool and cotton separate either for example...the stories in the first 5 books are good but the law is gone...