When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

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eternally-gratefull

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Brother,
The people you're discussing this with can't see this, but God gathers his elect from the 4 winds, from idolatry, war, famine and death, which is where believers in Christ were gathered from.
We see this quite clearly

we also see God, who promised he would never forget his covenant with Abraham Isaac and Jacob and all their descendents,

unlike you, we believe God has integrity and keeps his word and his promises
 
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All I can say is keep poking the apple of God's eye your bound to get a reply.
 

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The lack of understanding of the Word here is stunning. smh God says He will gather the Jews from where He has scattered them. Has nothing to do with the Gentiles.
Now we, brethren, asIsaac was, are the children of promise. Gal.4:28

eternally-grateful said
We see this quite clearly

we also see God, who promised he would never forget his covenant with Abraham Isaac and Jacob and all their descendents,

unlike you, we believe God has integrity and keeps his word and his promises
And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. Mk.3:32-35

pottersclay said.
All I can say is keep poking the apple of God's eye your bound to get a reply.
For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: Zech.2:8

I have no doubt people get a reply for this.
 
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kaylagrl

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Now we, brethren, asIsaac was, are the children of promise. Gal.4:28
But there is a different promise still to be fulfilled to the Jews.


And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. Mk.3:32-35
Nobody here has claimed anything different. What has this to do with anything?
 

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Now we, brethren, asIsaac was, are the children of promise. Gal.4:28


And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. Mk.3:32-35


For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: Zech.2:8

I have no doubt people get a reply for this.
As Gentile believers we can be grateful with having been welcomed into the people of God by receiving his underserved grace.
We can accept his grace without attempting to strip and dispossess the Jewish people of everything that has been promised to them
by the God of Israel.
 
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Brother,
The people you're discussing this with can't see this, but God gathers his elect from the 4 winds, from idolatry, war, famine and death, which is where believers in Christ were gathered from.
Amen to that. I have to agree with what is said about the fact that what was local and literal in the OT is now spiritual and worldwide in the NT.
 
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But there is a different promise still to be fulfilled to the Jews. Nobody here has claimed anything different. What has this to do with anything?
Yes, the promises are now for the "Israel of God", which Paul says was in Galatia and everywhere people belonged to Christ. "Israel" means "Overcomer with God" and is all people who had the same defects of character as Judah, Reuben, Simeon, etc. but overcame them by the blood of the Lamb.

We can't deny the DNA of the 12 tribes was lost in the murky waters of the pagan gene pool through the horrific rape, sex slavery, forced pagan/Semitic marriage, etc., which Literal Israel unfortunately had to endure because of rebellion.

We can't deny human physiology of what happens when pagan DNA sperm mixes with a Semitic DNA egg.

We can't deny history contains no record of any plan, provision, or opportunity to preserve for over 2,000 years Semitic DNA.

We can't deny the reality it took only a few hundred years for the 7th century B.C. Assyrian holocaust to produce such genetically impure offspring - the Samaritans - that were despised and hated as mixed breeds by purebred Judah and Benjamin - the same circumstances which Judah began to experience in 70 A.D. but continued for not 600 years, but for almost 2,000 years.
 
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He was a poet!! rofl Give me a break! Genetic evidence has proven him wrong, and you. You stubbornly refuse to see what you don't want to see. Why is that I wonder?






Wrong! Literal place, literal nation. I give THIS land, from this landmark to that landmark. All
the land which you SEE.



Genesis 13:14-15 “Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are … for all the land which you see I will give to you and your descendants forever.” Genesis 15:18 “On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: ‘To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates.’”




No, you are wrong. Romans 9- 11 proves you wrong. The promises made to the Jews does not change hands to the church. It's heresy. As I said even the Catholic church repented of this belief after the Holocaust, and they were the ones who started it in the first place. What you believe is a pack of lies and from the pit of hell. God has not taken His hand off the Jews, His promises to them remain, you've been shown this with Scripture. A thousand generations, to the Jews, not you! Replacement Theology is a lie. Period.
I showed you an honest Hebrew researcher who debunked your propaganda about DNA proving those Khazars are really Jews.

Why you always yelling? Christians are supposed to be able to disagree without gettin all filled up with the devil, right?
 
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kaylagrl

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I showed you an honest Hebrew researcher who debunked your propaganda about DNA proving those Khazars are really Jews.

Why you always yelling? Christians are supposed to be able to disagree without gettin all filled up with the devil, right?

THIS IS YELLING smh Genetic proof shows you are wrong. Link me the researchers name again. Everything I have read over the years says that myth has been debunked long ago.
 
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kaylagrl

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Yes, the promises are now for the "Israel of God", which Paul says was in Galatia and everywhere people belonged to Christ. "Israel" means "Overcomer with God" and is all people who had the same defects of character as Judah, Reuben, Simeon, etc. but overcame them by the blood of the Lamb.

We can't deny the DNA of the 12 tribes was lost in the murky waters of the pagan gene pool through the horrific rape, sex slavery, forced pagan/Semitic marriage, etc., which Literal Israel unfortunately had to endure because of rebellion.

We can't deny human physiology of what happens when pagan DNA sperm mixes with a Semitic DNA egg.

We can't deny history contains no recored of any plan, provision, or opportunity to preserve for over 2,000 years Semitic DNA.
We can't deny the reality it took only a few hundred years for the 7th century B.C. Assyrian holocaust to produce such genetically impure offspring - the Samaritans - that were despised and hated as mixed breeds by purebred Judah and Benjamin - the same circumstances which Judah began to experience in 70 A.D. but continued for not 600 years, but for almost 2,000 years.

Genetic evidence proves your murky water theory wrong. Science proves you wrong.
 

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But there is a different promise still to be fulfilled to the Jews.
It's fulfilled in Christ,

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite Rom.11:1

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off Act.2:39

in the last days Isa.2:2

Nobody here has claimed anything different. What has this to do with anything?
Being born again,

children born not of natural descent
Jn.1:13
 

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As Gentile believers we can be grateful with having been welcomed into the people of God by receiving his underserved grace.
We can accept his grace without attempting to strip and dispossess the Jewish people of everything that has been promised to them
by the God of Israel.
All "people of God" are so by receiving his undeserved grace and no promise was ever made by God to any people because of race,

Abraham is our father,” they answered. “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did. Jn.8:39
 

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Amen to that. I have to agree with what is said about the fact that what was local and literal in the OT is now spiritual and worldwide in the NT.
I understand what you're saying dear brother, but as I'm getting to know our Lord better, it's becoming apparent that spiritual is literal and in certain ways, through creation for example, the truths spoken of in the OT have always been worldwide.
 

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All "people of God" are so by receiving his undeserved grace and no promise was ever made by God to any people because of race,

Abraham is our father,” they answered. “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did. Jn.8:39
Of course there were promises made concerning race. The race of Messiah was promised.

God is territorial. Get used to it. He created this planet & he has marked a very small portion for himself.
There is nothing Christian about rebelling against God over this key Biblical issue. He gave that land to Jews
and he will vindicate himself through them before the world.
 
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kaylagrl

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It's fulfilled in Christ,

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite Rom.11:1

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off Act.2:39

in the last days Isa.2:2

Being born again,

children born not of natural descent
Jn.1:13

No, there are promises made to the Jewish people yet to come to pass. You do not replace the Jews. The church does not replace the Jews.
 

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Of course there were promises made concerning race. The race of Messiah was promised.
Jesus isn't the King of the Jews because he was Abrahams son, but because he is Abrahams Creator, nor was Abraham "chosen" because of his race, but because of his faith.

God is territorial. Get used to it. He created this planet & he has marked a very small portion for himself.
There is nothing Christian about rebelling against God over this key Biblical issue. He gave that land to Jews and he will vindicate himself through them before the world.
If God vindicates himself through others, it's only because of himself in them, not for any other reason and the territory God he has chosen for himself is in believers.
 

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No, there are promises made to the Jewish people yet to come to pass. You do not replace the Jews. The church does not replace the Jews.
No my friend. The Jews do not replace believers, from Adam to the end of this world.

The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people Deut.7:7

He means believers are the fewest people.

Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. Deut.7:3

He means don't marry an unbeliever.

These things, like the promises of God, have nothing to do with race.
 
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kaylagrl

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No my friend. The Jews do not replace believers, from Adam to the end of this world.
We are grafted in. We are not the root. We do not replace them.

The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people Deut.7:7

He means believers are the fewest people.
No, sorry that is to the Jews, not to the church.


Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. Deut.7:3

He means don't marry an unbeliever.
Yes, written to the Jewish people, not to the church. In this instance this is totally to the Jews.


These things, like the promises of God, have nothing to do with race.
Yes, they do. God has made promises to the Jewish people that He will keep. Please look deeper.
 

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We are grafted in. We are not the root. We do not replace them.
No ordinary human or group of humans is the root.

No, sorry that is to the Jews, not to the church.

Yes, written to the Jewish people, not to the church. In this instance this is totally to the Jews.

Yes, they do. God has made promises to the Jewish people that He will keep. Please look deeper.
I'm looking deeper. Everything in the OT speaks of Christ and people who are either in him or not in him. For instance,

Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. 1Tim.2:15

Is Paul saying women are saved by having babies?

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 1Cor.14:34

Is Paul saying that women have nothing to contribute tp the congregation? And where and why does the law command
women to be under obedience to their husbands? And why is Paul subjecting Christians to the law to begin with?

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1Cor.11:3

Take a deep look at the above verse. From a strictly human standpoint, only looking at the surface. Do you see the contradiction?