WHEAT ... v ... TARES

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Nehemiah6

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No, what most are failing to do is understand the 1st century "Israel" context of Jesus' other parables in connection with the "wheat and tares".
If that's the case, you could put the whole New Testament in the context of the first century and say "That does not apply to me and has no relevance today".
 

PennEd

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Who is planting each seed?

The seed, and subsequent plant, doesn't morph into the other plant. If God plants the wheat seed, it WILL grow into wheat!

If satan plants the tare seed, it will grow into a tare.
 

Lanolin

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I find this confusing cos of the two different ways people interpret the passage.

If wheat and tares repressent the church, then the tares that are burned, is that the christians who get cremated? And the wheat would be those saved who are not cremated but buried. After all, wheat seed later gets buried to grow more wheat, not burned. Weed seeds/ tares need to be burned otherwise they grow into more weeds. They say one years weed, seven years seed.

If the wheat and tares repesent only jewish believers and unbelievers, then the end of the age has already come? Would the burning just refer to the burning of Jerusalem, or its it like the holocaust or something.
 

cv5

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Incorrect, the harvest was the end of the Jewish/Israel age.

John warned the tares:

(Mat 3:7 But when he saw many Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "You offspring of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? )

John said the axe was already laid at the root of the "trees" ready to be drawn back for the felling strike.

(Mat 3:10 Even now the ax is laid at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.)

Jesus stated the harvest was already ripe in his day:

(John 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest ).

There are no tares in Christ's kingdom, you are either born again or not, in or out.

There is no need to gather any unbelievers out of His kingdom.
Rewriting the bible in your own image? Jesus says tares and He means tares.
 

cv5

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Incorrect, the harvest was the end of the Jewish/Israel age.

John warned the tares:

(Mat 3:7 But when he saw many Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "You offspring of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? )

John said the axe was already laid at the root of the "trees" ready to be drawn back for the felling strike.

(Mat 3:10 Even now the ax is laid at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.)

Jesus stated the harvest was already ripe in his day:

(John 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest ).

There are no tares in Christ's kingdom, you are either born again or not, in or out.

There is no need to gather any unbelievers out of His kingdom.
The age of the New Covenant had just begun. These parables were not limited to Israel, they were being set aside temporarily and Jesus knew it full well.
 
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Who is planting each seed?

The seed, and subsequent plant, doesn't morph into the other plant. If God plants the wheat seed, it WILL grow into wheat!

If satan plants the tare seed, it will grow into a tare.
Amen.....the wicked go astray from the womb....
 
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The age of the New Covenant had just begun. These parables were not limited to Israel, they were being set aside temporarily and Jesus knew it full well.
Amen to that....the truth sets us free from the rigmarole and blather that you addressed with this post thqt you made!!
 
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Rewriting the bible in your own image? Jesus says tares and He means tares.
Amen to that one as well......the misinformation and skewed truth runs deep with the one you are addressing!
 

p_rehbein

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I was making a funny....as I will joke with Little Elephant and yes meant to be a holy terror...just playing with words....but when you are wheat you are among the breakfast of Champions Jesus being the greatest one of all.
It was funny to me........... :)

....and, I have it on good Authority (Tourist) that you are no longer a holy tare...........

Wonder if anyone ever thought of what is done with wheat? You know, ground into fine powder, mixed together with other ingredients and baked into bread...........and such......

Is that kinda neat?
 

breno785au

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I never understood why people interpret wheat and tares about saved and unsaved people within the Church when Jesus clearly explains the parable to the disciples.

Wheat = saved (planted by God)
Tares = unsaved ( planted by the evil one - people who are controlled by the spirit of this world?)
Field = the world

Now how is it that some interpret it as people who think they are saved but attend church?
 
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I never understood why people interpret wheat and tares about saved and unsaved people within the Church when Jesus clearly explains the parable to the disciples.

Wheat = saved (planted by God)
Tares = unsaved ( planted by the evil one - people who are controlled by the spirit of this world?)
Field = the world

Now how is it that some interpret it as people who think they are saved but attend church?
just out of curiosity,does a tare look like wheat?
 

cv5

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just out of curiosity,does a tare look like wheat?
Yes, tares look identical to wheat......until they are mature. An enemy would sow tares into the wheat field of his enemy, in an attempt to destroy his household and livelihood.
 

cv5

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No, what most are failing to do is understand the 1st century "Israel" context of Jesus' other parables in connection with the "wheat and tares".

The wedding parable, the vineyard parable and the wheat and tare parable have all the same motif and context - Jews/Israel and rejection of Jesus.

(Mat 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vine dressers and went into a far country. )

The above is about the then present kingdom (vineyard) established by God of Israel/Jews.

(Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son)

(Mat 22:3 and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. )

In the above the wedding relates to the Jews/Israel.

To divorce the above parables from the parable of the wheat and tares is to rip it out of context.

We know Jesus was speaking to Israel "the sons of the kingdom".

(Mat 8:12 but the sons of the kingdom will be thrown out into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.")

Peter stated that the "tares" would be cut off from the people the "wheat":

(Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. )

(Acts 3:23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people )
"The wedding parable, the vineyard parable and the wheat and tare parable have all the same motif and context - Jews/Israel and rejection of Jesus.'

Your hermeneutics are in severe error. These two parables are not in the least similar. And certainly not the way you have interpreted them.
 

cv5

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Wheat and Tares was strictly a 1st century "phenomena". The apostate Jews (tares) of that time (rejecting Jesus and his apostles") were cast out of the kingdom of Israel.

(Mat 8:11 I tell you, many will come from the east and west to share the banquet with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven)

(Mat 8:12 but the sons of the kingdom will be thrown out into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." )


(Gal 4:30 But what does the scripture say? "Throw out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman will not share the inheritance with the son" of the free woman. )
Incorrect, the harvest was the end of the Jewish/Israel age.

John warned the tares:

(Mat 3:7 But when he saw many Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "You offspring of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? )

John said the axe was already laid at the root of the "trees" ready to be drawn back for the felling strike.

(Mat 3:10 Even now the ax is laid at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.)

Jesus stated the harvest was already ripe in his day:

(John 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest ).

There are no tares in Christ's kingdom, you are either born again or not, in or out.

There is no need to gather any unbelievers out of His kingdom.
Absolutely wrong. The relevant scriptural reference to define the where and when and what of the "harvest" is Joel 3:11 etc.
The eschatology is yet future from today. Not 70 AD, not during the ministry of Christ, not the ministry of the Apostles.

"Hasten and come,
all you surrounding nations,
and gather yourselves there.
Bring down your warriors, O Lord.
12Let the nations stir themselves up
and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
for there I will sit to judge
all the surrounding nations.


13Put in the sickle,
for the harvest is ripe.

Go in, tread,
for the winepress is full.
The vats overflow,
for their evil is great.

14Multitudes, multitudes,
in the valley of decision!

For the day of the Lord is near
in the valley of decision.
15The sun and the moon are darkened,
and the stars withdraw their shining.

16The Lord roars from Zion,
and utters his voice from Jerusalem,
and the heavens and the earth quake.
But the Lord is a refuge to his people,
a stronghold to the people of Israel
."
 

Webers.Home

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#36
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Tares are mostly a nuisance.

The primary problem is their roots; which get entangled with crop roots so
much so that had farmers in that day pulled up the tares, they would've
pulled up their crop too; which is why it was best to leave the tares be until
harvest.
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I find this confusing cos of the two different ways people interpret the passage.

If wheat and tares repressent the church, then the tares that are burned, is that the christians who get cremated? And the wheat would be those saved who are not cremated but buried. After all, wheat seed later gets buried to grow more wheat, not burned. Weed seeds/ tares need to be burned otherwise they grow into more weeds. They say one years weed, seven years seed.

If the wheat and tares repesent only jewish believers and unbelievers, then the end of the age has already come? Would the burning just refer to the burning of Jerusalem, or its it like the holocaust or something.
The book of Matthew is the most Jewish centric among all the 4 gospels. A number of passages appear in Matthew do not appear in the other 3, and showed the Jewish focus, esp Matt 24, which refers to the tribulation period.

Thus I believe that this passage is also referring to the Jews and not the body of Christ. The latter was a mystery hidden in God, and was not revealed yet in Matthew.
 
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Tares are mostly a nuisance.

The primary problem is their roots; which get entangled with crop roots so
much so that had farmers in that day pulled up the tares, they would've
pulled up their crop too; which is why it was best to leave the tares be until
harvest.
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And IMO tares symbolizes unsaved people In church coming across as saved.Just my opinion.😐
 
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UnderGrace

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No, what most are failing to do is understand the 1st century "Israel" context of Jesus' other parables in connection with the "wheat and tares".

The wedding parable, the vineyard parable and the wheat and tare parable have all the same motif and context - Jews/Israel and rejection of Jesus.

(Mat 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vine dressers and went into a far country. )

The above is about the then present kingdom (vineyard) established by God of Israel/Jews.

(Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son)

(Mat 22:3 and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. )

In the above the wedding relates to the Jews/Israel.

To divorce the above parables from the parable of the wheat and tares is to rip it out of context.

We know Jesus was speaking to Israel "the sons of the kingdom".

(Mat 8:12 but the sons of the kingdom will be thrown out into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.")

Peter stated that the "tares" would be cut off from the people the "wheat":

(Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. )

(Acts 3:23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people )

No, what most are failing to do is understand the 1st century "Israel" context of Jesus' other parables in connection with the "wheat and tares".
Exactly, audience relevance.....why would the Jews need to hear about nominal Christians of this present century?

It always needs to be understood first within the direct audience, the listeners at the time.