Whatever Happened to the Ten Commandments?
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Good points.
However, when a follower of a doctrine that teaches the Ten Commandments/Ten Words of God are no longer valid for the Christian, it is then senseless for that same doctrine follower to think the two great commands Jesus talked about, and upon which all the laws of God and the prophets are anchored, are able to be followed without sinning, the aforementioned denial of the Ten revokes the then later claim that the two apply and insure the believer in those cannot sin.
And very often those same followers of the aforementioned doctrine will take issue is a Christian alludes in any way to their belief that, as scripture tells them, when we are in Christ we are no longer sinners.
The Ten, the laws, the two that Christ referred to as the great commands, and the prophets, are inextricably linked.We cannot claim to obey the two great commands while insisting the Ten no longer apply, Well, we can, however that would be nonsense sadly enough.
However, when a follower of a doctrine that teaches the Ten Commandments/Ten Words of God are no longer valid for the Christian, it is then senseless for that same doctrine follower to think the two great commands Jesus talked about, and upon which all the laws of God and the prophets are anchored, are able to be followed without sinning, the aforementioned denial of the Ten revokes the then later claim that the two apply and insure the believer in those cannot sin.
And very often those same followers of the aforementioned doctrine will take issue is a Christian alludes in any way to their belief that, as scripture tells them, when we are in Christ we are no longer sinners.
The Ten, the laws, the two that Christ referred to as the great commands, and the prophets, are inextricably linked.We cannot claim to obey the two great commands while insisting the Ten no longer apply, Well, we can, however that would be nonsense sadly enough.
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You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord. Leviticus 19:18
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. Deuteronomy 6:5 (sounds like something Jesus would say)
And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt. Deuteronomy 10:19
just a sampling
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Jesus was making the point that purpose of the law and the prophets were to guide us to the two principal commandments. So then the law and the prophets become the definition of the "two great commandments".
Now at the same time we don't take a dishonoring child to the city gates and stone them, but rather derive the meaning at the core that is to raise your child in the admonishment of the Lord or this may be his spiritual condition; as though he were stoned at the city gates.
Now at the same time we don't take a dishonoring child to the city gates and stone them, but rather derive the meaning at the core that is to raise your child in the admonishment of the Lord or this may be his spiritual condition; as though he were stoned at the city gates.
Nothing happened to the 10 Commandments. They are as they have been since God handed them down to Moses. The Ten Commandments address Gods Moral Laws for how man is to live, and such Laws did not go away when Jesus came and instituted the New Covenant Grace. While some of the Laws are no longer in effect for the Church today, Gods "moral" Laws are. This can not be made more clear than in what the Apostle Paul wrote in the 1st Chapter of Romans.
People who believe the 10 Commandments are not for today's Church are in for a sad surprise when Christ returns IMO,.
People who believe the 10 Commandments are not for today's Church are in for a sad surprise when Christ returns IMO,.
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Amen! Prayerfully those in that church today will turn around their thinking before they die or Christ returns.
The first three commands pertain to love of God. The last seven to the love of one another. The laws and the prophets stem from the two great commands. Love.
What Did the Apostle Paul Teach About the Ten Commandments?
The Epistle of the Colossians chapter 2:
Isaiah 29:13
The Lord says, These people say they are loyal to me; they say wonderful things about me, but they are not really loyal to me. Their worship consists of nothing but man-made ritual.
The first three commands pertain to love of God. The last seven to the love of one another. The laws and the prophets stem from the two great commands. Love.
What Did the Apostle Paul Teach About the Ten Commandments?
The Epistle of the Colossians chapter 2:
Isaiah 29:13
The Lord says, These people say they are loyal to me; they say wonderful things about me, but they are not really loyal to me. Their worship consists of nothing but man-made ritual.
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exactly
Jesus totaled them when He said to love God with all our heart, mind and so on and our neighbor as ourself
but I honestly do not think people think they can thumb their nose and sin
the emphasis is on being saved by grace while the other side insists that means they enjoy and want to sin
two groups talking past each other over and over and over ad infinitum
we know we cannot be perfect in attending to the law which is why Christ died for us
but stating that the law is part of salvation is also error as I have heard some say here
there is nothing complicated about any of it. and as you know, this forum has seen possibly more than its fair share of grace vs works with no ground given or understanding improved because both sides miss what Jesus said and why He said it
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5. "Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." The Book of Genesis chapter 26
The Saint Apostle Saul/Paul's epistle to the Romans chapter 5 tells us that the commands of God were in effect before Moses. From Adam unto Moses.
The Saint Apostle Saul/Paul's epistle to the Romans chapter 5 tells us that the commands of God were in effect before Moses. From Adam unto Moses.
Abraham lied about Sarah to save his own life Genesis 12:13. He already failed the 2nd commandment.
The 10 Commandments cannot be replaced or pass away for they are spiritual laws, and laws of love towards God and people which are the 2 greatest commandments.
For in the Old Testament there was the spiritual laws to love God and people, and the physical laws since it was a physical covenant with blessings only on this earth not in the spiritual realm.
In the New Testament it is spiritual laws and not the physical laws for Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way nailing them to His cross for they were contrary to us which means they had no bearing on spiritual salvation.
But the spiritual laws can never pass away.
Paul said we do not void out the law through faith but we establish the law, live up to it, which we can do by the Spirit that was not available to receive in this sense in the Old Testament, which are the laws of love, moral laws, which Paul said the law is spiritual, holy, just, and good.
Jesus fulfilled the law by being a sinless man and fulfilling all the roles associated with Israel concerning their operation which He is the perfect Saint, perfect King, perfect High Priest, perfect Prophet, and the temple and the sacrifice, and whatever else He had to fulfill which has to be done in the physical realm on earth.
But Jesus has not fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth for He came as a servant and not to rule so that must be done.
That is what the millennial reign of Christ is about fulfilling the role of perfect King on earth and ruling the world.
So for people that say the millennial reign is spiritual and does not take place on earth cannot be true for it must be done on earth for it to be effective.
When Jesus fights the world and defeats them He will spare one sixth of them and Jesus and the saints will rule over them, and in that day the LORD shall be King over all the earth, and there shall be one LORD and His name one which none of the heathen will acknowledge any God or religious figure but Jesus.
When the millennial reign is over then Jesus has fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth, and the law is fulfilled, and heaven and earth will pass away and there will be a new heaven and earth wherein dwells righteousness where sin has never been and sin will never be, the New Jerusalem, and the angels and the saints will remember nothing prior to the New Jerusalem for the former earth shall not be remembered, nor come to mind for it is associated with sin and rebellion.
The 10 commandments can never be done away with for they are spiritual laws not physical laws, and are laws of love towards God and people.
Which is why when the rich man asked Jesus how he can inherit eternal life Jesus told him to obey the 6 commandments of the 10 commandments that have to do with loving people not offending them, for love works no ill towards their neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law, which the rich man said he obeyed them from youth which Jesus said he lacked one thing and that is to sell all he had that was not a necessity and give to the poor for that is part of loving people to put people above our wants that is not a need.
Concerning the sabbath day that is part of the physical ordinances that Jesus took out of the way for it is a physical sabbath and a physical rest and applied to this earth.
But Jesus went away to prepare a place for the saints the new earth, and when a person receives the Spirit the kingdom of God is within them and they belong to that spiritual kingdom.
Which in the Old Testament, Isaiah 28, God said concerning the New Testament that with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to these people saying this is the rest wherewith you may cause the weary to rest, and this is the refreshing, yet they would not hear.
So it is a spiritual sabbath by the Spirit in the New Testament and the saints belong to the new earth.
For Jesus took the physical sabbath out of the way nailing it to His cross so let no person judge you concerning that, or meats for God said all meat is good and nothing to be refused for it is spiritual now.
For in the Old Testament there was the spiritual laws to love God and people, and the physical laws since it was a physical covenant with blessings only on this earth not in the spiritual realm.
In the New Testament it is spiritual laws and not the physical laws for Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way nailing them to His cross for they were contrary to us which means they had no bearing on spiritual salvation.
But the spiritual laws can never pass away.
Paul said we do not void out the law through faith but we establish the law, live up to it, which we can do by the Spirit that was not available to receive in this sense in the Old Testament, which are the laws of love, moral laws, which Paul said the law is spiritual, holy, just, and good.
Jesus fulfilled the law by being a sinless man and fulfilling all the roles associated with Israel concerning their operation which He is the perfect Saint, perfect King, perfect High Priest, perfect Prophet, and the temple and the sacrifice, and whatever else He had to fulfill which has to be done in the physical realm on earth.
But Jesus has not fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth for He came as a servant and not to rule so that must be done.
That is what the millennial reign of Christ is about fulfilling the role of perfect King on earth and ruling the world.
So for people that say the millennial reign is spiritual and does not take place on earth cannot be true for it must be done on earth for it to be effective.
When Jesus fights the world and defeats them He will spare one sixth of them and Jesus and the saints will rule over them, and in that day the LORD shall be King over all the earth, and there shall be one LORD and His name one which none of the heathen will acknowledge any God or religious figure but Jesus.
When the millennial reign is over then Jesus has fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth, and the law is fulfilled, and heaven and earth will pass away and there will be a new heaven and earth wherein dwells righteousness where sin has never been and sin will never be, the New Jerusalem, and the angels and the saints will remember nothing prior to the New Jerusalem for the former earth shall not be remembered, nor come to mind for it is associated with sin and rebellion.
The 10 commandments can never be done away with for they are spiritual laws not physical laws, and are laws of love towards God and people.
Which is why when the rich man asked Jesus how he can inherit eternal life Jesus told him to obey the 6 commandments of the 10 commandments that have to do with loving people not offending them, for love works no ill towards their neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law, which the rich man said he obeyed them from youth which Jesus said he lacked one thing and that is to sell all he had that was not a necessity and give to the poor for that is part of loving people to put people above our wants that is not a need.
Concerning the sabbath day that is part of the physical ordinances that Jesus took out of the way for it is a physical sabbath and a physical rest and applied to this earth.
But Jesus went away to prepare a place for the saints the new earth, and when a person receives the Spirit the kingdom of God is within them and they belong to that spiritual kingdom.
Which in the Old Testament, Isaiah 28, God said concerning the New Testament that with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to these people saying this is the rest wherewith you may cause the weary to rest, and this is the refreshing, yet they would not hear.
So it is a spiritual sabbath by the Spirit in the New Testament and the saints belong to the new earth.
For Jesus took the physical sabbath out of the way nailing it to His cross so let no person judge you concerning that, or meats for God said all meat is good and nothing to be refused for it is spiritual now.
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What ever happened to the Ten Commandments/Ten Words of God? Nothing. They still apply , as Jesus taught, and they are written in our hearts so that we will not be separated from them. The moral laws that teach us how to love God and our neighbor as ourselves still apply. If they don't then the converse of what they instruct is able to be done by the Christian. Scary thought.
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True, I did make that mistake. I was so caught up in showing the Ten as example that I didn't consider the errant order those I posted appeared in. Great catch!
The "tablets" image you posted is from that same site where I got the "traditional version". It doesn't call them incorrect however, the author calls them counterfeit and the work of Satan. I don't blame Satan for clouding my thoughts looking at the traditional version. It was my error in not being more careful by taking the image from Google images to post, and not reading the linked site behind them.
From the site: "It might surprise you, but the Ten Commandments that we traditional know is really NOT the same with the Ten Commandments written in the Bible. When I first discovered this, I was stupefied how Satan was very successful in deceiving many people to accept a counterfeit Ten Commandments. "
The "tablets" image you posted is from that same site where I got the "traditional version". It doesn't call them incorrect however, the author calls them counterfeit and the work of Satan. I don't blame Satan for clouding my thoughts looking at the traditional version. It was my error in not being more careful by taking the image from Google images to post, and not reading the linked site behind them.
From the site: "It might surprise you, but the Ten Commandments that we traditional know is really NOT the same with the Ten Commandments written in the Bible. When I first discovered this, I was stupefied how Satan was very successful in deceiving many people to accept a counterfeit Ten Commandments. "
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How can you say there is no love in the ten commandments? Can you steal from people when you love? How about telling tales about them? Name one that isn't a way of loving. We know that to accept Christ's way is not to legalistically obey, but to obey with the spirit of the Lord, but that does not mean that we should not use the commandments as a guide to the spirit of the lord.
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