What translation has the exact words of God preserved for English speakers?
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Well, he's not a member of the Language Police.
I got that covered.
I got that covered.
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Not according to Proverbs 17:27 "He that hath knowledge spareth his words: and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit. Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."
To: "spareth his words" - "holdeth his peace" & "shutteth his lips" does not indicate that "honesty is always best". What scripture are you using to backup your statement? We do have the watchman in Ezekiel 3:17 "Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me." We are clearly to deliver a word if God sends us. That is a little bit different than being honest with people.
To: "spareth his words" - "holdeth his peace" & "shutteth his lips" does not indicate that "honesty is always best". What scripture are you using to backup your statement? We do have the watchman in Ezekiel 3:17 "Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me." We are clearly to deliver a word if God sends us. That is a little bit different than being honest with people.
We should not limit ourself to an interpretation of the Bible. We should study the Bible in the Original language. Everything comes down to Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." If we understand this then we will understand the rest of the Bible. If we do not understand this, then we will not understand the rest of the Bible. Also Genesis 1:1 "In the Beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth". Clearly "Beginning" is the most important word if we want to understand the Bible. The word AND is very important also because Heaven AND earth are either united or divided. Jesus teaches us to pray: "Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will be Done, on Earth as in Heaven". So clearly God wants Heaven and Earth to be UNITED not divided. He wants man and women to be united not divided. He wants His church united not divided. Jesus died to reconcile us with the Father AND to reconcile us with each other.
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That is not the way it works. The Hebrew letters have a symbolic meaning. A represents the horns of a bull or ox. This represents the strength or leader. B represents a tent or a dwelling. C represents a camel or transportation but also commerce. The first letter of the word sets the tone for the rest of the word. This is all so easy and simple that a child can understand. A child can understand an ox, tent and camel. Of course today people usually do not live in a tent as they did in the desert when the Bible was written. They may live in a high rise building. Still the Bible is simple enough to be understood by any child that can learn the alphabet. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. He is the word of God and He fulfills the righteous requirements of the law of God.
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LOL!
Option #1: You do not have to depend on any atheist to learn and study and study some more and to become fluent in Greek and Hebrew yourself. Then just do the research yourself and find out what manuscripts are the best ones and put together yourself what you think the original texts said.
Option #2: Or, you can thank God that He used men to analyze, decode, and finally give to us very reputable, trustworthy translations in many languages so that peoples throughout the world can read God's Word in a way they can easily understand.
Option #3: Or, you can bypass all of the hard work and the reality that God used ordinary men to preserve His Word, and you can make the easy statement that the KJV is God's gift of inspiration to the world. Then you can villify all the other translations and call them the work of the Devil (not sure you do this? but many KJVers do!).
For me, I am sticking with Option # 2.
Option #1: You do not have to depend on any atheist to learn and study and study some more and to become fluent in Greek and Hebrew yourself. Then just do the research yourself and find out what manuscripts are the best ones and put together yourself what you think the original texts said.
Option #2: Or, you can thank God that He used men to analyze, decode, and finally give to us very reputable, trustworthy translations in many languages so that peoples throughout the world can read God's Word in a way they can easily understand.
Option #3: Or, you can bypass all of the hard work and the reality that God used ordinary men to preserve His Word, and you can make the easy statement that the KJV is God's gift of inspiration to the world. Then you can villify all the other translations and call them the work of the Devil (not sure you do this? but many KJVers do!).
For me, I am sticking with Option # 2.
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LOL!
Option #1: You do not have to depend on any atheist to learn and study and study some more and to become fluent in Greek and Hebrew yourself. Then just do the research yourself and find out what manuscripts are the best ones and put together yourself what you think the original texts said.
Option #2: Or, you can thank God that He used men to analyze, decode, and finally give to us very reputable, trustworthy translations in many languages so that peoples throughout the world can read God's Word in a way they can easily understand.
Option #3: Or, you can bypass all of the hard work and the reality that God used ordinary men to preserve His Word, and you can make the easy statement that the KJV is God's gift of inspiration to the world. Then you can villify all the other translations and call them the work of the Devil (not sure you do this? but many KJVers do!).
For me, I am sticking with Option # 2.
Option #1: You do not have to depend on any atheist to learn and study and study some more and to become fluent in Greek and Hebrew yourself. Then just do the research yourself and find out what manuscripts are the best ones and put together yourself what you think the original texts said.
Option #2: Or, you can thank God that He used men to analyze, decode, and finally give to us very reputable, trustworthy translations in many languages so that peoples throughout the world can read God's Word in a way they can easily understand.
Option #3: Or, you can bypass all of the hard work and the reality that God used ordinary men to preserve His Word, and you can make the easy statement that the KJV is God's gift of inspiration to the world. Then you can villify all the other translations and call them the work of the Devil (not sure you do this? but many KJVers do!).
For me, I am sticking with Option # 2.
(Mat 10:23) But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
An futurist original language person told me that the "you" in that verse wasn't referring to the 12 disciples that Jesus was talking to because the "you" is a propletic you and that really means that "you" is some group of people in the distant future.
An futurist original language person told me that the "you" in that verse wasn't referring to the 12 disciples that Jesus was talking to because the "you" is a propletic you and that really means that "you" is some group of people in the distant future.
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Here's another example of a person picking and choosing Hebrew definitions because the English doesn't promote this persons belief. So how do I know if God meant "they would seek him early" or if "they would seek him earnestly"?
(Hos 5:15) I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
The text says, "I will go to My place, TILL they acknowledge their offence..." then goes on to say, "IN THEIR AFFLICTION, they will seek Me early / earnestly [H7836]".
H7836 -
7836 [e]
yə·ša·ḥă·run·nî.
יְשַׁחֲרֻֽנְנִי׃
they will earnestly seek Me
V‑Piel‑Imperf‑3mp | 1cs, Pn
[and]
H7836 -
shachar: to look early or diligently for
Original Word: שָׁחַר
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: shachar
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-khar')
Definition: to look early or diligently for
[and]
diligently (1), diligently seek (1), diligently seeks (1), earnestly seek (1), searched diligently (1), seek (2), seek me diligently (1), seek you earnestly (1), seek your earnestly (1), seeking (1), seeks you diligently (1).
[quotes taken from BibleHub]
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This is only a PART of the reason I keep saying they will "seek" Him early in the trib, and that even Ezekiel 39:7 (which "war" I believe corresponds to the SECOND SEAL "wars" [Rev6] EARLY in the trib yrs and paralleling the wording found also in Genesis 45:1[6],[46:2] in the SECOND YEAR of "Joseph's 7-yr famine"), but that a major IMPETUS that brings them to their Messiah is the event of "our Rapture"... and FOLLOWING which, is when they [many of them, not all] come to faith, and then the passages speaking of the trib yrs spell out what will take place from that point on... etc etc...)
(Hos 5:15) I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
The text says, "I will go to My place, TILL they acknowledge their offence..." then goes on to say, "IN THEIR AFFLICTION, they will seek Me early / earnestly [H7836]".
H7836 -
7836 [e]
yə·ša·ḥă·run·nî.
יְשַׁחֲרֻֽנְנִי׃
they will earnestly seek Me
V‑Piel‑Imperf‑3mp | 1cs, Pn
[and]
H7836 -
shachar: to look early or diligently for
Original Word: שָׁחַר
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: shachar
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-khar')
Definition: to look early or diligently for
[and]
diligently (1), diligently seek (1), diligently seeks (1), earnestly seek (1), searched diligently (1), seek (2), seek me diligently (1), seek you earnestly (1), seek your earnestly (1), seeking (1), seeks you diligently (1).
[quotes taken from BibleHub]
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This is only a PART of the reason I keep saying they will "seek" Him early in the trib, and that even Ezekiel 39:7 (which "war" I believe corresponds to the SECOND SEAL "wars" [Rev6] EARLY in the trib yrs and paralleling the wording found also in Genesis 45:1[6],[46:2] in the SECOND YEAR of "Joseph's 7-yr famine"), but that a major IMPETUS that brings them to their Messiah is the event of "our Rapture"... and FOLLOWING which, is when they [many of them, not all] come to faith, and then the passages speaking of the trib yrs spell out what will take place from that point on... etc etc...)
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Yeah, I guess same basic approach works here:
(1) Trust the editors of the KJV and take their "word" for it! (I like that pun!!)
or (2) Study it out oneself (no "propletic "you" there!) and do the hard work to see what the Hebrew meant in context
I will take number two because I take the original manuscripts and not the KJV as "inspired"
(1) Trust the editors of the KJV and take their "word" for it! (I like that pun!!)
or (2) Study it out oneself (no "propletic "you" there!) and do the hard work to see what the Hebrew meant in context
I will take number two because I take the original manuscripts and not the KJV as "inspired"
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