"What must I do to be saved?"

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ForestGreenCook

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nor did I say mankind can make themselves holy

have you read a thing I have said?? it does not appear so

I apologise, you did say that God makes us holy, and that it is a process.

How do you interpret Heb 10:10? That we are sanctified once for all, through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ?
 

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All of the commandments you have given can deliver the child of God as he sojourns here in this world, but they are not the cause of his eternal deliverance. salvation=deliverance, according to Greek translation.
I have no idea what you are talking about. The simple fact of the matter is you must do them all in order to be saved.
 

ForestGreenCook

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I have no idea what you are talking about. The simple fact of the matter is you must do them all in order to be saved.

Eternal salvation gained by works (doing) is a false doctrine that will not be in harmony with all scriptures.
 

ForestGreenCook

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I have no idea what you are talking about. The simple fact of the matter is you must do them all in order to be saved.

If you apply all of the salvation scriptures to mean "eternal deliverance", they will teach that eternal salvation is accomplished by your good works, and that is a false doctrine.
 

ForestGreenCook

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But in order for Christ to do something it requires first us to do something by our being obedient.

When a child of God is disobedient, he loses his fellowship with God, temporary, until he repents, but he does not lose his eternal inheritance. When God forgives him, he is saved (delivered) from the consequences of the sin, of being separated from his fellowship with his God.

Only the born again can repent of breaking one of God's spiritual laws. The natural man cannot repent of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot understand, and thinks it to be foolishness.
 

ForestGreenCook

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God works to sanctify us day after day
that is what the passage says. We are being sanctified

It seems to me that Heb 10:10, clearly states that we are sanctified ( made holy) through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. "Once for all" does not imply that is is a process.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Well since the kjv is not perfect. You should study

Again the Greek said one is completed the other is ongoing. It does not matter what a translation says that’s what the author wrote

Does it matter what the Strong's concordance say?
 

ForestGreenCook

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According to Jesus the Holy Spirit is the gift given by God. (Luke 11:13) The manifestation of fruits of the Spirit is the result of the indwelling presence of God's Spirit in the individual.

"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" Luke 11:13

The "them" in Luke 11:2, is the same "them" in 11:13, which is Jesus's disciples. This has no reference to the natural man, unless you want the scriptures to contradict each other. The natural man cannot ask for spiritual things that he cannot understand, and thinks them to be foolishness.
 

Wansvic

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The "them" in Luke 11:2, is the same "them" in 11:13, which is Jesus's disciples. This has no reference to the natural man, unless you want the scriptures to contradict each other. The natural man cannot ask for spiritual things that he cannot understand, and thinks them to be foolishness.
Luke 11:13 references the need to ask for the Holy Spirit if a person has not yet been indwelt upon believing the gospel message. This truth is referenced in Acts chapter 8, specifically verse 15. The Samaritans believed Philip's message and submitted to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. However, it was not until days later when Peter and John arrived and assisted that they became indwelt with the Holy Spirit. And according to Paul being indwelt with the Spirit is an absolute necessity. Paul's comment below provides evidence that the Samaritans were on the way to being children go God but were not actually His children until they received the Holy Spirit as well. This truth parallels what Peter first presented on the Day of Pentecost when the church was birthed.

"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, IF so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But IF the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you , he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." Romans 8:9-11
 

Karlon

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Romans 10:9- " that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth & shall believe in thine heart that God has raised us from the dead, thou shall be saved". & John 3:5- 'verily verily, i say unto thee, except a man be born of the water & of the Spirit he can not enter the kingdom of God".
 

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It seems to me that Heb 10:10, clearly states that we are sanctified ( made holy) through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. "Once for all" does not imply that is is a process.
we are in 10: 14.

For by one offering he has perfected - Perfect tense. a completed action.

those who are being sanctified - present tense. an ongoing action.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Does it matter what the Strong's concordance say?
strongs will tell you what the word means, it will not tell you how the word is used.

in Herb 10: 10. sanctified is in the perfect tense. a completed action

In Heb 10: 15 Sanctified is in the present tense. Ongoing.

You have to differentiate between the two.
 

mailmandan

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At the moment of salvation we are sanctified - set apart/made holy in standing before God positionally in Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:11 - Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

Yet we also see progressive sanctification in which the reality of that holiness becomes more and more evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, we read - For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor.

So becoming washed, sanctified and justified in Christ is a one time event and is not a process, yet abstaining from sexual immorality is not a one time event, but an ongoing process. Here is how I understand it. The believer possess a positional, judicial standing of righteousness in Christ and, second, an ongoing process of growth in practical, progressive holiness which becomes increasingly evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives.
 

Wansvic

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At the moment of salvation we are sanctified - set apart/made holy in standing before God positionally in Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:11 - Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

Yet we also see progressive sanctification in which the reality of that holiness becomes more and more evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, we read - For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor.

So becoming washed, sanctified and justified in Christ is a one time event and is not a process, yet abstaining from sexual immorality is not a one time event, but an ongoing process. Here is how I understand it. The believer possess a positional, judicial standing of righteousness in Christ and, second, an ongoing process of growth in practical, progressive holiness which becomes increasingly evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives.
As stated in Romans 1:16-17, the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith in the gospel. Belief in God's message will prompt obedience one step after another; belief in Jesus and His sacrifice, repentance, submitting to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin, receiving the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:2-39) Jesus said all who believe and obey shall be saved. (Mark 16:15-16, John 3:3-5)

Consider 1 Cor 6:11 mentions being washed, sanctified, and justified IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS AND in the Spirit of God. That scripture parallels the initial message recorded in Acts 2:38. Peter commanded EVERYONE to be baptized IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS for the remission of sin (water) AND ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost/Spirit. These requirements pertain to all humanity; the Jew first as well as the Gentiles as evidenced in the biblical record. The Samaritan's (half Jew and half Gentile) received the same message revealing that obedience is required of every human being living in the NT. (Acts 2:2-39, 8:12:18, 10:43-49, 19:1-6, 22:16)


"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." (Romans 1:16-17)
 

mailmandan

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As stated in Romans 1:16-17, the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith in the gospel. Belief in God's message will prompt obedience one step after another; belief in Jesus and His sacrifice, repentance, submitting to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin, receiving the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:2-39) Jesus said all who believe and obey shall be saved. (Mark 16:15-16, John 3:3-5)

Consider 1 Cor 6:11 mentions being washed, sanctified, and justified IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS AND in the Spirit of God. That scripture parallels the initial message recorded in Acts 2:38. Peter commanded EVERYONE to be baptized IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS for the remission of sin (water) AND ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost/Spirit. These requirements pertain to all humanity; the Jew first as well as the Gentiles as evidenced in the biblical record. The Samaritan's (half Jew and half Gentile) received the same message revealing that obedience is required of every human being living in the NT. (Acts 2:2-39, 8:12:18, 10:43-49, 19:1-6, 22:16)


"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." (Romans 1:16-17)
Through bad semantics and flawed hermeneutics, you twist the scriptures and the end result is salvation by faith AND WORKS in contradiction to (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..).
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Through bad semantics and flawed hermeneutics, you twist the scriptures and the end result is salvation by faith AND WORKS in contradiction to (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..).
some people just can't get out of their own way and let God save them.