What is the sheep-goat judgment of Mt 25:31-32? When will it take place?

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Hevosmies358

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I remember in the milenial Christian reign with Jesus, and all people in the milenium are Christian, If all leader, who is the people.

Also in the end of milenial there Will be war between God and all the follower and Lucifer and people that follow him. Who is this people that follow Lucifer If all people in the milenial are Christian?
Good question to all sides!

Dcon has a point too about the book of revelation being written to churches. Mentioned in the beginning and end of the book.
 

Ahwatukee

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I remember in the milenial Christian reign with Jesus, and all people in the milenium are Christian, If all leader, who is the people.
Hello Jackson123,

The church, the 144,000 and the great tribulation saints, will all rule with Christ during the millennial kingdom.

Church
"And to the one who is victorious and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations. He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery —just as I have received authority from My Father.

Great Tribulation Saints
"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

144,000
"And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was caught up to God and to His throne."

Also in the end of millennial there Will be war between God and all the follower and Lucifer and people that follow him. Who is this people that follow Lucifer If all people in the milenial are Christian?
We have to remember that during the thousand years that Satan will be locked up in the Abyss, so there will be no deception or temptation during the thousand years. During that time people of the earth will have multiplied living in complete peace. At the end of the thousand years Satan will be released and for the first time in a thousand years Satan will immediately begin to deceive and tempt the inhabitants of the earth, many of whom (like the sand on the seashore) will rebel against God, demonstrating that mankind is always turning away from their creator and ready to do evil.

I hope this is beneficial
 

Jackson123

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Hello Jackson123,

The church, the 144,000 and the great tribulation saints, will all rule with Christ during the millennial kingdom.

Church
"And to the one who is victorious and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations. He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery —just as I have received authority from My Father.

Great Tribulation Saints
"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

144,000
"And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was caught up to God and to His throne."



We have to remember that during the thousand years that Satan will be locked up in the Abyss, so there will be no deception or temptation during the thousand years. During that time people of the earth will have multiplied living in complete peace. At the end of the thousand years Satan will be released and for the first time in a thousand years Satan will immediately begin to deceive and tempt the inhabitants of the earth, many of whom (like the sand on the seashore) will rebel against God, demonstrating that mankind is always turning away from their creator and ready to do evil.

I hope this is beneficial
All the people in milenial are Christian, so all ruler than who is the people.

In my town, there is mayor, judge, police (member If government) etc and majority are people like me ordinary citizen,

In milenial all Christian, so all member of government, who is ordinary people
 

Ahwatukee

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All the people in milenial are Christian, so all ruler than who is the people.
As I previously stated, those on the earth during the millennial period, will be those who make it through the tribulation alive and who will still be in their mortal bodies. The church, the 144,000 and the great tribulation saints, will all be in their immortal and glorified bodies. Those on the earth in their mortal bodies will not be ruling, but will be ruled over by the Lord and those previously mentioned.

In my town, there is mayor, judge, police (member If government) etc and majority are people like me ordinary citizen,

In milenial all Christian, so all member of government, who is ordinary people
During the millennial kingdom there will only be one government, Christ's government. And all of the those who are living in their mortal bodies during that time will be under His government and we, along with the Lord, will be ruling over the inhabitants of the earth.
 

Ahwatukee

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Good question to all sides!

Dcon has a point too about the book of revelation being written to churches. Mentioned in the beginning and end of the book.
Who else would the book of Revelation be written to but the church? It wasn't written to Israel who remains under the law, because for the most part they did not recognize Jesus as their Messiah and therefore to them the new testament is not the word of God.

The book of Revelation was not written to unbelievers, because they don't fear God nor regard His word. Therefore, it was written to the church, those who believe in Jesus and the word of God. And it was written to the church for us to know and proclaim to unbelievers and believers alike. For there are many Christians who don't even understand the book of Revelation, because they don't study it.

The purpose of the book of Revelation is proclaimed right in the first verse:

"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place."

The things which must soon take place, are for the most part the events of God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which are listed from chapter 6 through 18 with all related information.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Thanks for your reply.
Need some clarification.
If I'm not mistaken, satan will be released for a short time towards the end of the MK, when he will deceive many.
I believe the text says he "shall go out TO DECEIVE the nations..." but recall that there will be those "BORN TO" the ones who ENTERED the MK (in mortal bodies, capable of bearing children/reproducing) but that those born to them will not be "born automatically righteous"... so the possibility of them (at the end of the MK age) being "deceived" is accounted for, here... "Death" will be rare in the MK age, reserved only for the "rebellious"... and they (having "died") will then [later/after MK] experience the SECOND of the TWO "punish" words in Isaiah 24:21-22 (at the GWTj; the FIRST of the TWO "PUNISH" words in that passage paralleling Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 at the time of Christ's Second Coming to the earth, 1000 yrs BEFORE the GWTj--the first one [at the time of His Second Coming to the earth] is where the Sheep and goat judgment/separation "fits" in, in the chronology, that is, determining who will ENTER the earthly MK in their mortal bodies, alongside passages such as [the timing for] Daniel 12:12 "BLESSED is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1335 days" (that is, in "STILL-LIVING"/mortal bodies/persons... this point in the chronology is not, and does not pertain to, our "Rapture" [which pertains SOLELY to "the Church which is His body," not to all other saints of all OTHER time periods]).

Those who DIED (as believers/saints) during the trib years, will be "resurrected [/to stand again on the earth]" (along with OT saints) at the end of the trib, and FOR the commencement of the earthly MK age.

Will the sheep-goat judgment take place after the release of satan?
No.

If yes, is this judgment placed at the end of the MK?
No, it is not placed there.

Are we saying that immediately after the sheep-goat judgment, there will be the great white throne judgment?
No.

If the people in the millennial kingdom would be judged via the sheep-goat judgment, who will be judged at the great white throne judgment?
"who will be judged at the GWTj?" ... "the dead" ("the sea gave up the dead"... "and death and hell delivered up the dead"... "the dead, small and great"...). This is parallel with the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23], and pertains to "already-dead" people... people who either experienced the FIRST of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isa24:21-22[23] (at the time of Rev19/2nd Coming to the earth), or who died apart from God BEFORE that point (throughout history), or who died DURING/WITHIN the MK yrs (reserved only for the rebellious), or at the end (when Satan goes out to deceive the nations...), meaning, all of the "dead [/unsaved]" of all times. The "saints" will have ALL been either "resurrected" by the time the MK commences, OR were born [later] IN/DURING/WITHIN the MK age (and not rebelled/died within those same years).

Now... I need to proof-read all that b/f the 5-min edit thing, and make sure I said what I hoped to say... :D

Plz let me know if something doesn't make sense. (I plan to come back and add another post regarding which other passages I believe "fit" [time-wise] into the slot called "His Second Coming to the earth" [when "STILL-LIVING" saints ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies])
 

Jackson123

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I believe sheep goat judgement show what kind of people Will accept by God to heaven. What kind of people go to hell

Basically people with love go to heaven, No body able bear fruit of itself

So people with pure love mean abide in Him.

People with worldly standart love mean not abide in Him

So I believe bema judgement similar to this judgement, only bear fruit people go to heaven.

Remember, No body able to bear fruit of itself

So bear fruit = abide in Him= have faith in Him and salvation = because of faith