What is “the day of the Lord" / “the Day of YHWH"

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What is “the day of the Lord" / “the Day of YHWH"

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Hizikyah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 34:1-9, "34:1, "Come near, you nations, to hear. And listen, you people! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, the world and all its offspring."34:2, "For the displeasure of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is against all the nations, and His wrath against all their divisions. He shall put them under the ban, He shall give them over to the slaughter, (Jer 30:11)"34:3, "and their slain be thrown out, and their stench rise from their corpses. And mountains shall be melted with their blood."34:4, "And all the host of the heavens shall rot away. And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll (Rev 6:14), and all their host fade like a leaf fading on the vine, and like the fading one of a fig tree."34:5, "“For My sword shall be drenched in the heavens. Look, it comes down on Eḏom, and on the people of My curse, for judgment."34:6, "“The sword of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shall be filled with blood, it shall be made overflowing with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams. For [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has a slaughtering in Botsrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Eḏom."34:7, "“And wild oxen shall come down with them, and young bulls with bulls. And their land shall be drenched with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.”"34:8, "For it is the day of the vengeance of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], the year of recompense for the cause of Tsiyon."34:9, "And its streams shall be turned into tar, and its dust into sulphur, and its land shall become burning tar.”[/FONT]
 

Hizikyah

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Ezekiel 13:1-9, "And the word of יהוה came to me, saying, Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Yisra’yl who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy out of their own heart, ‘Hear the word of יהוה!, "Thus said the Master יהוה, “Woe to the foolish prophets, who are following their own spirit, without having had a vision! O Yisra’yl, your prophets have been like foxes among ruins. You have not gone up into the breaches, nor do you build a wall for the house of Yisra’yl to stand in battle on the day of יהוה, Their visions are false and their divinations a lie, saying, ‘Thus declares יהוה,’ when יהוה has not sent them, yet they expected the word to be confirmed! Have you not seen a false vision, and have you not spoken a divination of lies? You say, ‘יהוה declares,’ when I have not spoken. Therefore thus said the Master יהוה, “Because you have spoken falsehood and seen lies, therefore see, I am against you,” declares the Master יהוה, My hand shall be against the prophets who see falsehood and who divine lies. They shall not be in the council of My people, nor be written in the record of the house of Yisra’yl, and they shall not enter into the land of Yisra’yl. And you shall know that I am the Master יהוה."
 

prove-all

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As I said, John being in the Spirit on the Lord's day was referring to the first day of the week
when the broke bread. His being in the Spirit meant that he was meditating on the Lord and his word.
roken bread, and eaten.” This breaking bread was not Communion or sundays,
—it was simply eating a meal. This expression was commonly used of old to designate
a meal. It still is used in that sense in parts of even the United States.


Notice Acts 2:46. The disciples, “continuing daily with one accord in the temple,
and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness?.…”
Here again, “breaking bread” means eating a meal. Not on the first day of the week, but daily.


Nothing in the 8 verses with "the first day of the week" says it is sunday,
but this day was the first workday of the week, after the Sabbath had past.
 
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Ahwatukee

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roken bread, and eaten.” This breaking bread was not Communion or sundays,
—it was simply eating a meal. This expression was commonly used of old to designate
a meal. It still is used in that sense in parts of even the United States.


Notice Acts 2:46. The disciples, “continuing daily with one accord in the temple,
and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness?.…”
Here again, “breaking bread” means eating a meal. Not on the first day of the week, but daily.


Nothing in the 8 verses with "the first day of the week" says it is sunday,
but this day was the first workday of the week, after the Sabbath had past.


I'm not concerned about days of the week! My point is that "the Lord's day" is not the same as "the day of the Lord." Stop with the semantics! The Lord's day is referring to the day he rose on, where the day of the Lord is the coming time of God's wrath. They are not the same thing. Hizikyah is trying to turn John's mention of being in the Spirit on the Lord's day as referring to the time of God's wrath when it is impossible because we haven't even entered that time period yet!

I'm sick of the infiltration of false teachings on every level! They just continue to creep it and are then circulated. And because people don't study the word of God, these teachings just continue to get passed around, on and on, repeated and repeated, until God's word is terribly distorted.

I'll say it again, John being in the Spirit on the Lord's day is not referring to the day of the Lord which is a specific future time of God's wrath.
 

prove-all

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I'm not concerned about days of the week!
My point is that "the Lord's day" is not the same as "the day of the Lord."
Agreed: you are right we haven't even entered that time period yet!

Stop with the semantics! The Lord's day is referring to the day he rose on,
Hizikyah asked for scripture that ties "the Lords day to "first day of the week".
He is still waiting for you scripture proff, as so am I.


I'm sick of the infiltration of false teachings on every level! They just continue to creep it and are then circulated. And because people don't study the word of God, these teachings just continue to get passed around, on and on, repeated and repeated, until God's word is terribly distorted.

Agreed

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to
this condemnation,ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
[lawlessness]and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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I'm not concerned about days of the week! My point is that "the Lord's day" is not the same as "the day of the Lord." Stop with the semantics! The Lord's day is referring to the day he rose on, where the day of the Lord is the coming time of God's wrath. They are not the same thing. Hizikyah is trying to turn John's mention of being in the Spirit on the Lord's day as referring to the time of God's wrath when it is impossible because we haven't even entered that time period yet!

I'm sick of the infiltration of false teachings on every level! They just continue to creep it and are then circulated. And because people don't study the word of God, these teachings just continue to get passed around, on and on, repeated and repeated, until God's word is terribly distorted.

I'll say it again, John being in the Spirit on the Lord's day is not referring to the day of the Lord which is a specific future time of God's wrath.
Of course it is possible...in fact, it is most probable, in my opinion. A large portion of the prophecy takes place in a future time. It IS possible that he was saying he was taken in spirit to see the events of that future day of the Lord! It would be more odd to me that he found it important to give the day of the week he had this vision in spirit, as every other time a prophecy was given, it never gave a day of the week but rather a day of the month and a relation to the year.

You may not agree, but it isn't an impossible interpretation.
 

TMS

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It seems like everyone agrees that THE DAY OF THE LORD = the time of His coming, wrath, glory or judgement how ever you see that DAY.
But The LORDS DAY isn't defined clearly yet.
There is no biblical evidence to say it is Sunday.
If it makes no difference to God which day we worship on or keep holy than it is no lose to keep the Sabbath. But if God has said remember the Sabbath day and you don't you are disobeying Him.
 

Ahwatukee

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Of course it is possible...in fact, it is most probable, in my opinion. A large portion of the prophecy takes place in a future time. It IS possible that he was saying he was taken in spirit to see the events of that future day of the Lord! It would be more odd to me that he found it important to give the day of the week he had this vision in spirit, as every other time a prophecy was given, it never gave a day of the week but rather a day of the month and a relation to the year.

You may not agree, but it isn't an impossible interpretation.
No, it isn't possible! In Rev.1:10 John says "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day" meaning that he was meditating on the Lord and his word. Then in Rev.4:1 he says it again, but with the meaning of being literally in the Spirit and taken up to see the visions in heaven and all that he was shown.

When John said "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day" he was not referring to "the day of the Lord" because it hasn't started yet! It's the coming, unprecedented time of God's wrath wrath.
 

TMS

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Ex 20.10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

James 2.10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
 

beta

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roken bread, and eaten.” This breaking bread was not Communion or sundays,
—it was simply eating a meal. This expression was commonly used of old to designate
a meal. It still is used in that sense in parts of even the United States.


Notice Acts 2:46. The disciples, “continuing daily with one accord in the temple,
and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness?.…”
Here again, “breaking bread” means eating a meal. Not on the first day of the week, but daily.


Nothing in the 8 verses with "the first day of the week" says it is sunday,
but this day was the first workday of the week, after the Sabbath had past.


Also very clearly stated Acts 20v11....'had broken bread and eaten'...simply meaning 'having a meal on the first day of the week....does not always mean a holy assembly !

people will argue with scripture in order to be right...it will cost them if they don't repent and submit !
 

phil36

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Ex 20.10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

James 2.10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.


Deuteronomy 5:15New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.


The Sabbath as in fri sunset to sat sunset was given to the theocracy of Israel. It was part of the Mosaic covenant. They were obligated to keep all aspects of it, to keep it as God prescribed in the Covenant of Sinai, in remembrance of what God had done for them cf. scripture above.

Concerning the Sabbath we are no longer under the Sinai/Mosaic covenant, but under a better covenant (Heb 8:6). Therefore, we remember What God has done for us in His Son on the first day when this was fulfilled.. Sunday (John 20:1; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor 1:2).

The main problem with the argument put forward by Sabbatarians is that they make the assumption that Christians are saying we are commanded now to keep 'the Lord's day'. Of course this is a false assumption. All days are holy days, we can worship God on any day of the week (Rom 14:5-9). We are not under a commandment to a particular day. Yet we come together on the Lord's day as did the NT Christians to commemorate what God did in rescuing us from bondage to sin, and its dominion over us which the law could not nor ever could do (Rom 6:14-15).

The Ten commandments are good and Holy and are a good guide to behaviour, they are moral. But they are not our master, like the law keeping of the the Sinai covenant.

Gal 5:22 - The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control, against such things there is no law.

We still rest one day a week, for it is good to do so, we see this in creation itself. This is different from being under the law and its obligations of the Jewish Sabbath, We come together on Sunday (1st day of the week) to worship together and to anticipate the consummation of our eternal rest in Christ. But this day is not a commandment, like the Jewish Sabbath, any day can be a worship day. But since Christ rose on the 1st day of the week we come together on this day to worship and rest.










 
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is there any thread that can exist without the sabbath being dragged into it somehow

"the day of the Lord" is clearly the day of his wrath not sunday. everyone knows this.
 

shrume

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No, it isn't possible! In Rev.1:10 John says "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day" meaning that he was meditating on the Lord and his word. Then in Rev.4:1 he says it again, but with the meaning of being literally in the Spirit and taken up to see the visions in heaven and all that he was shown.

When John said "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day" he was not referring to "the day of the Lord" because it hasn't started yet! It's the coming, unprecedented time of God's wrath wrath.
You're obviously passionate about what you believe, but it is possible, even probable, that the Lord's Day means the same thing as the day of the Lord. I believe the whole book of Revelation concerns the future. John being in the spirit on the Lord's day means he received revelation concerning the Lord's day, AKA the day of the Lord.
 

phil36

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is there any thread that can exist without the sabbath being dragged into it somehow

"the day of the Lord" is clearly the day of his wrath not sunday. everyone knows this.

Sadly, legalists will have legalism in all their views. So in every thread or OP it is going to be in there.

Unfortunately, Hizikyah and his cohorts, conflate 'the day of the Lord' and 'the Lords day'. Atleast that is what Hizikyah tries to do with Post #1 and #2. However, he fails miserably. Its just another attempt to push legalism.

I believe deep down Hizikyah knows the difference. But because it contradicts the theology of his own mind and all that Hebrew roots nonsense, he is willing to misuse and abuse scripture to fit his own legalist mandate.

Another example, is is swapping the name of Jesus. Yahshua, is not Jesus!
 

Hizikyah

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It seems like everyone agrees that THE DAY OF THE LORD = the time of His coming, wrath, glory or judgement how ever you see that DAY.
But The LORDS DAY isn't defined clearly yet.
There is no biblical evidence to say it is Sunday.
If it makes no difference to God which day we worship on or keep holy than it is no lose to keep the Sabbath. But if God has said remember the Sabbath day and you don't you are disobeying Him.
The Day of YHWH and YHWH's Day or The Day of the Lord's and The Lord's Day are the same thing, nowhere in cripture will one find either in reference to Sunday, it is a man made tradtioin so they have to reverse the order of the words and give it a new meaning.

In the Hebrew and Greek we see many times the words in a different order than in english to properly form an English sentence, so really there is not difference in what order one puts the words; The Day of YHWH and YHWH's Day or The Day of the Lord's and The Lord's Day
 

Hizikyah

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No, it isn't possible! In Rev.1:10 John says "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day" meaning that he was meditating on the Lord and his word. Then in Rev.4:1 he says it again, but with the meaning of being literally in the Spirit and taken up to see the visions in heaven and all that he was shown.

When John said "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day" he was not referring to "the day of the Lord" because it hasn't started yet! It's the coming, unprecedented time of God's wrath wrath.
This is proof Revelation 1:9-10 are taking about being in prophecy, as if we look at the way Revelation is written, it is not chroinological but overlappinbg, we can seewhat talked about as being here;

Revelation 1:9-10, “I, Yoḥanan, both your brother and co-sharer in pressure, and in the reign and endurance of יהושע Messiah, came to be on the island that is called Patmos for the Word of יהוה and for the witness of יהושע Messiah. I came to be in the Spirit on the Day of יהוה, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 4:1-3, “After this I looked and saw a door having been opened in the heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here and I shall show you what has to take place after this. And immediately I came to be in the Spirit and saw a throne set in the heaven, and One sat on the throne. And He who sat there was like a jasper and a ruby stone in appearance. And there was a rainbow around the throne, like an emerald in appearance.”[/FONT]

 

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Sadly, legalists will have legalism in all their views. So in every thread or OP it is going to be in there.

Unfortunately, Hizikyah and his cohorts, conflate 'the day of the Lord' and 'the Lords day'. Atleast that is what Hizikyah tries to do with Post #1 and #2. However, he fails miserably. Its just another attempt to push legalism.

I believe deep down Hizikyah knows the difference. But because it contradicts the theology of his own mind and all that Hebrew roots nonsense, he is willing to misuse and abuse scripture to fit his own legalist mandate.

Another example, is is swapping the name of Jesus. Yahshua, is not Jesus!
It's much more likely to be Yashua or something like it since He was not born a Westerner and given a name like Jesus from a western translation....you might use some common sense instead of being critical.
 

Hizikyah

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Deuteronomy 5:15New International Version - UK (NIVUK) 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

The Sabbath as in fri sunset to sat sunset was given to the theocracy of Israel. It was part of the Mosaic covenant. They were obligated to keep all aspects of it, to keep it as God prescribed in the Covenant of Sinai, in remembrance of what God had done for them cf. scripture above.


First, with that midset, do not kill and do not steal would have to also only be given to

the theocracy of Israel.


This is not true and you have been shown this a number of times by myself;

Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

Excuse 1 found to be Biblically false.

Concerning the Sabbath we are no longer under the Sinai/Mosaic covenant, but under a better covenant (Heb 8:6). Therefore, we remember What God has done for us in His Son on the first day when this was fulfilled.. Sunday (John 20:1; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor 1:2).

The main problem with the argument put forward by Sabbatarians is that they make the assumption that Christians are saying we are commanded now to keep 'the Lord's day'. Of course this is a false assumption. All days are holy days, we can worship God on any day of the week (Rom 14:5-9). We are not under a commandment to a particular day. Yet we come together on the Lord's day as did the NT Christians to commemorate what God did in rescuing us from bondage to sin, and its dominion over us which the law could not nor ever could do (Rom 6:14-15).


Therefore, we remember What God has done for us in His Son on the first day when this was fulfilled.. Sunday (John 20:1


Nowhere is it written that Sabbath is transferred to Sunday not is Sunday a holy day now, also Yahshua/Jesus did not even resurrect on Sunday, for in every account He was already resurrected when they arrived in the 1st day/Sunday;

He had already Risen before Sunday (1[SUP]st[/SUP] day) morning);

Matthew 28:1-6 “Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.2And behold, there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat on it.3His appearance was like lightning, and his clothing white as snow.4And for fear of him the guards trembled and became like dead men.5But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified.6He is not here, for he has risen, as he said. Come, see the place where he lay.”

I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified.6He is not here, for he has risen

Mark 16:1-6 “When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him.2And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb.3And they were saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?”4And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled back—it was very large.5And entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, dressed in a white robe, and they were alarmed. 6And he said to them, “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has risen; he is not here. See the place where they laid him.

You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has risen; he is not here

Luke 24:1-3 “But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices they had prepared.2And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb,3but when they went in they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. “

they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus

John 20:1 “Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.”

while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb


A complete study can be found here;

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-messiah-put-grave-when-did-he-resurrect.html



Acts 20:7, “On the first day (#G1520 heis) of the week (#G4521 sabbaton), when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.”

“first day” is word #G1520 - heis: one, Original Word: εἷς, μία, ἕν, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: heis, Phonetic Spelling: (hice), Short Definition: one, Definition: one.

“week” is word #G4521 sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week.


1 Cor 1:2, "to the assembly of Elohim which is at Corinth, to those who are set-apart in Messiah יהושע, called set-apart ones, with all those calling on the Name of יהושע Messiah our Master in every place, theirs and ours:"

You pull a shell game here, first you say;

Concerning the Sabbath we are no longer under the Sinai/Mosaic covenant, but under a better covenant (Heb 8:6).
Therefore, we remember What God has done for us in His Son on the first day when this was fulfilled.. Sunday
Then you use that same "evidence" to testify agaist those in "oppisition"
The main problem with the argument put forward by Sabbatarians is that they make
the assumption that Christians are saying we are commanded now to keep 'the Lord's day'. Sunday
Also Heb 8:6 does not mean all Commands are changed/abolished...

Heb 8:6, "But now He has obtained a more excellent service, inasmuch as He is also Mediatora of a better covenant, which was constituted on better promises"
Yet we come together on the Lord's day as did the NT Christians to commemorate what God did in rescuing us from bondage to sin, and its dominion over us which the law could not nor ever could do (Rom 6:14-15).
Where in Scripture is "The Lord's Day" Sunday? This has still not been Scriptually established, yet you speak it as fact.

Verse isolation;


Romans 6:14-15, "For sin shall not rule over you,b for you are not under the law but under favour. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under favour? Let it not be!"

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"

The Ten commandments are good and Holy and are a good guide to behaviour, they are moral. But they are not our master, like the law keeping of the the Sinai covenant.

Gal 5:22 - The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control, against such things there is no law.
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Because sin is the breaking of theres things, the Law is LOVE;

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

We still rest one day a week, for it is good to do so, we see this in creation itself. This is different from being under the law and its obligations of the Jewish Sabbath, We come together on Sunday (1st day of the week) to worship together and to anticipate the consummation of our eternal rest in Christ. But this day is not a commandment, like the Jewish Sabbath, any day can be a worship day. But since Christ rose on the 1st day of the week we come together on this day to worship and rest.


This is man made tradtion not found anywhere in the Word, if it were you could quote verses. Also it is not a "Jewish Sabbath" it the Creator's Sabbath and has been for Hebrew and Gentile a like since the beginning;

Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

Again Messiah had already resurrected before Sunday;

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/159572-when-messiah-put-grave-when-did-he-resurrect.html

 

Hizikyah

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Sadly, legalists will have legalism in all their views. So in every thread or OP it is going to be in there.

Unfortunately, Hizikyah and his cohorts, conflate 'the day of the Lord' and 'the Lords day'. Atleast that is what Hizikyah tries to do with Post #1 and #2. However, he fails miserably. Its just another attempt to push legalism.
So many of your doctrines not only can not be found in Scripture but contradict Scripture...Yet you self proclaim a simulated victory, you are too much... pure legalism! So obedience is even bad now, not a surprise;

2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) From a derivative of μύω [[muo]] (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):—mystery.

iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

I believe deep down Hizikyah knows the difference. But because it contradicts the theology of his own mind and all that Hebrew roots nonsense, he is willing to misuse and abuse scripture to fit his own legalist mandate.
Mind reader? Wow, impressive, ohh and "Hebrew roots nonsense" bag em and tag em huh? I belong to no denomanation.

Philippians 3:20, “But our citizenship is in heaven, out from which we also eagerly wait for our Ruler, Yahshua Messiah the King.”

Psalms 111:9, “He sent redemption to His people, He has commanded His covenant forever. Set-apart and awesome is His Name.”

Psalm 113:1-3, "Praise Yah! Praise, O servants of יהוה, Praise the Name of יהוה ! Blessed be the Name of יהוה, Now and forever! From the rising of the sun to its going down, The Name of יהוה is praised.”

Fault finderes will find fault with everything...

Another example, is is swapping the name of Jesus. Yahshua, is not Jesus!
“Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p., 1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior)., 2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam., 3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses., 4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul., 5. (NOTE) (“Jesus” is a valid English transliteration, coming from Ancient Hebrew to Koine Greek (via the Septuagint) to Latin to Old English to Modern English. It is completely acceptable to God (Yahweh) for us call upon the Savior's name as “Jesus,” or “Iesous,” or “Yeshua,” or even “Yesu” as in Christian Arabic or in the Fijian Islands, et al. God prepared for all nations to be able to trust in the Savior and to call upon his name by preparing a language dialect for international use: the Hebraic-Koine Greek. Thus, technically and formally, the pronunciation “Iesous” was intentionally established by the Savior as the common basis for Jewish and Gentile acknowledgment of his Redemption and Salvation, going forth as needed into every tribe, native tongue, people, and nation. “Yeshua” is of course delightfully acceptable to him, when it is not used as an exclusionary name. Love edifies)., 6. (NOTE) (Revelation 3:12)., [of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)], KJV: Jesus, Root(s): H3442, See also: H3091

Root word of “Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous -H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l., 1. he will save., 2. Jeshua, the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Israel., [for H3091], KJV: Jeshua. , Root(s): H3091

Root word of “Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous - H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p., יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah), 1. Yahweh-saved.2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader., [from H3068 and H3467], KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua., Root(s): H3068, H3467, Compare: H1954, H3442
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Joel 1:14-20, "1:14, "Set apart a fast. Call an assembly, gather the elders, all the inhabitants of the land, into the House of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength, and cry out to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."1:15, "Alas for the day! For the day of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is near, and it comes as destruction from the Almighty."1:16, "Is not the food cut off before our eyes, joy and gladness from the House of our Mighty One?"1:17, "The seed has rotted under their clods, storehouses are laid waste, granaries are broken down, for the grain has withered."1:18, "How the beasts moan! The herds of cattle are restless, because they have no pasture. The flocks of sheep also perish."1:19, "I cry to You [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], for fire has consumed the pastures of the wilderness, and a flame has set on fire all the trees of the field."1:20, "Even the beasts of the field cry out to You, for the water streams are dried up, and fire has consumed the pastures of the wilderness."[/FONT]