What if Adam and Eve ate the tree of life?

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Noose

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#81
Thy word have I hid in mine heart
(Psalm 119:11)

Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, David.. ((Deuteronomy 18:18 isn't about Moses))

Jesus is no greater than any of these, you're telling me.
and all of creation originates and resides in Noose.


the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth
(Deuteronomy 30:14)
Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, David, literally every Israelite, every Christian -- you're telling me everyone is a little god, everyone created the universe for themselves in their own minds, every individual is the origin of all existence - in Noose, by Noose, through Noose and for Noose are all things created and without Noose's heart nothing that exists has existence?


Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart.
(Luke 2:19)
Deut 18:18 is not about Moses- i know that, i just mentioned it to bring to your attention idea that God can occupy a human being and the title Christ means the authority of God on earth.

I'm not flattered by your saying that i created the universe. This claims are inherently blasphemous and i wouldn't want to be a party but i'm trying to follow the evidence of what reality is as per the scripture and also from experience.

From experience alone, i have realized that the universe is nothing more than my thoughts and it corroborates well with Biocentrism.
From the scripture, it is also becoming clear that the universe was founded by the Lord in the human mind and it is the human mind that destroys the universe. Eden is not a place but a human mind that the Lord carefully prepared and gave man authority to look after it.

Ponder that.
 

posthuman

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#82
Eden is not a place but a human mind that the Lord carefully prepared and gave man authority to look after it.

Ponder that.
try not to trip.

Genesis 2:8
The LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.
 

Noose

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#83
try not to trip.

Genesis 2:8
The LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.
Again, this is a poetic representation of reality - basically means that God put the truth in the man's heart to guard it and never loose it, which appears physically as God creating the universe in the human heart and giving man authority over all creation.

There's was no garden in the EAST- east of what?
There was no Cherubim placed physically in the EAST to protect a tree, if there was, Adam should have accessed through the west- don't you think so?
 

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#84
try not to trip.

Genesis 2:8
The LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.
I believe that the garden still exists and is guarded by an angel guarding the entrance as stated in Genesis.
 
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#85
Again, this is a poetic representation of reality - basically means that God put the truth in the man's heart to guard it and never loose it, which appears physically as God creating the universe in the human heart and giving man authority over all creation.

There's was no garden in the EAST- east of what?
There was no Cherubim placed physically in the EAST to protect a tree, if there was, Adam should have accessed through the west- don't you think so?
It like all parables that are historically true are given as poetic representation to hide the unseen spiritual understanding. . No one knows the location of Eden that he set aside or the location of the four rivers . It would seem that some have named rivers according to the names God used. The literal rivers used in that parable represent the gospel going out the unseen understanding hid..

If we did know the location it would of been turned into what some call a Holy Place, a center for idol worship like the earthly Jerusalem giving the illusion the kingdom of God is of this corrupted creation.

East is a metaphor used throughout scripture to represent our unseen God. Perhaps having to do with the rising of the Sun as representative of the unseen glory of God. Many religions take the east direction literally and have turned it into opportunity of image worship.

I would agree there was no Cherubim placed physically in the EAST to protect a tree. Angels have no form they are administering spirits of truth that guard the way to fellowship with God.

The tree as that seen, the temporal in that parable represents to way of faith to our unseen eternal God. Like all parables we search for things which are not seen the eternal using the things which are seen .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 

posthuman

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#86
Jerusalem.

It is both Arabic and Hebrew tradition that creation proceeded from the stone which is the foundation of the holy of holies.
 

Noose

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#87
It like all parables that are historically true are given as poetic representation to hide the unseen spiritual understanding. . No one knows the location of Eden that he set aside or the location of the four rivers . It would seem that some have named rivers according to the names God used. The literal rivers used in that parable represent the gospel going out the unseen understanding hid..

If we did know the location it would of been turned into what some call a Holy Place, a center for idol worship like the earthly Jerusalem giving the illusion the kingdom of God is of this corrupted creation.

East is a metaphor used throughout scripture to represent our unseen God. Perhaps having to do with the rising of the Sun as representative of the unseen glory of God. Many religions take the east direction literally and have turned it into opportunity of image worship.

I would agree there was no Cherubim placed physically in the EAST to protect a tree. Angels have no form they are administering spirits of truth that guard the way to fellowship with God.

The tree as that seen, the temporal in that parable represents to way of faith to our unseen eternal God. Like all parables we search for things which are not seen the eternal using the things which are seen .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
While i agree with you that most of these things are unseen, doesn't mean that we can not understand them. They are unseen because we can understand them. The events in Eden are not just a parable, they are real but to me, reality is nothing more than a thought. So the 6 creation days were God's thoughts before being put in man's mind on the 6th day and from that moment on, existence was as we see it. If everyone is to pass away today, the universe will vanish. Every time sin increased among men, God would wipe out almost all men and leave a few and the scriptures will declare that that world has passed away because the world is in the people and the new world is in those that survive to teach their children the precepts of God.

Thinking that Eden was some physical garden in the East doesn't get anyone far because it would contradict what's in Genesis 1.

Gen 1:11Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth vegetation: seed-bearing plants and fruit trees, each bearing fruit with seed according to its kind.” And it was so. 12The earth produced vegetation: seed-bearing plants according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.


According to Gen 1, plants were fully available on earth at the end of 3rd day. Yet:

Gen 2:
4This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

5Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth a and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6but streams b came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7Then the Lord God formed a man c from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

8Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.9The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

'No plants' takes us to day 2 in Genesis 1, but why does it say that God planted a garden in the East with every kind of plant in it?
Eden was never a part of the 6 days creation according to Genesis 1, why is Eden not part of the 6 days creation yet it was God's work?
 

Noose

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Jerusalem.

It is both Arabic and Hebrew tradition that creation proceeded from the stone which is the foundation of the holy of holies.
Then Jerusalem had to be part of the 6 days creation.
Eden is not part of the 6 days creation yet it was God's work- why?

Gen 1:11Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth vegetation: seed-bearing plants and fruit trees, each bearing fruit with seed according to its kind.” And it was so. 12The earth produced vegetation: seed-bearing plants according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.


According to Gen 1, plants were fully available on earth at the end of 3rd day. Yet:

Gen 2:
4This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

5Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth a and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6but streams b came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7Then the Lord God formed a man c from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

8Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.9The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

'No plants' takes us to day 2 in Genesis 1, but why does it say that God planted a garden in the East with every kind of plant in it? what day did this happen?
 
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#89
While i agree with you that most of these things are unseen, doesn't mean that we can not understand them. They are unseen because we can understand them.
Hi thanks for the reply.

Yes its what parables are designed to do reveal the unseen eternal, the mysteries made known through the spiritual word..

The events in Eden are not just a parable, they are real but to me, reality is nothing more than a thought. So the 6 creation days were God's thoughts before being put in man's mind on the 6th day and from that moment on, existence was as we see it.
Real things, the temporal are used to reveal the unseen eternal . The whole time period of Kings in Israel is a parable, historical true in respect to the things seen that again unlock the understanding to those who do have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in our bodies of death.

Creation its self is a parable using the things seen the temporal to reveal the thoughts of our unseen God the eternal .

Six, the number assigned to men is used in parables. Six literal days used to represent all the work of God creating .(which could of been performed in the twinkling of the eye) , using one day to represent our daily sabbath rest we do have when we do not harden our hearts pertaining to the things of God.
 

posthuman

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Then Jerusalem had to be part of the 6 days creation
Not the city, only the geographic xyz

Look at your alternative :
Man was created inside man by man east of man and taken from where he was inside himself and placed into himself within himself somewhere west of himself by his heart which is in the east which is in the west which is his heart inside his heart and only exists inside his heart east of his heart west of his heart outside his heart his heart creates himself inside his heart.

I still think you a mess, Noose. Replacing Christ with an idol of a man's heart.
 

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Question is, how can good be good if there's no evil? it won't be good anymore, it would be status quo or normal.
Evil will still be observable if God keep a memorial of the evildoers and their destruction. It could be like a tape or digital archive, I am sure God knows how to preserve data. His mind can do that also.

'No plants' takes us to day 2 in Genesis 1, but why does it say that God planted a garden in the East with every kind of plant in it? what day did this happen?
You are trying to make Genesis 1 and 2 linear. That is not the case. Genesis 2 is restating some of what God did in chapter 1. :cool:
 

Noose

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Hi thanks for the reply.

Yes its what parables are designed to do reveal the unseen eternal, the mysteries made known through the spiritual word..



Real things, the temporal are used to reveal the unseen eternal . The whole time period of Kings in Israel is a parable, historical true in respect to the things seen that again unlock the understanding to those who do have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in our bodies of death.

Creation its self is a parable using the things seen the temporal to reveal the thoughts of our unseen God the eternal .

Six, the number assigned to men is used in parables. Six literal days used to represent all the work of God creating .(which could of been performed in the twinkling of the eye) , using one day to represent our daily sabbath rest we do have when we do not harden our hearts pertaining to the things of God.
Yes, it is that and more. If creation is in the mind, then reality is a thought- it means that your car and your house are only in your mind.
 
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Hi thanks for the reply.

Yes its what parables are designed to do reveal the unseen eternal, the mysteries made known through the spiritual word..



Real things, the temporal are used to reveal the unseen eternal . The whole time period of Kings in Israel is a parable, historical true in respect to the things seen that again unlock the understanding to those who do have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in our bodies of death.

Creation its self is a parable using the things seen the temporal to reveal the thoughts of our unseen God the eternal .

Six, the number assigned to men is used in parables. Six literal days used to represent all the work of God creating .(which could of been performed in the twinkling of the eye) , using one day to represent our daily sabbath rest we do have when we do not harden our hearts pertaining to the things of God.
I think caution should be used when assigning numbers to things in the Bible, I do agree there are numbers that are spoken of over and over but when and where to assign them is the tricky part.
 
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Yes, it is that and more. If creation is in the mind, then reality is a thought- it means that your car and your house are only in your mind.
If your house came crashing down on you, your prospective of reality would come into view real quick.
 

Noose

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Not the city, only the geographic xyz

Look at your alternative :
Man was created inside man by man east of man and taken from where he was inside himself and placed into himself within himself somewhere west of himself by his heart which is in the east which is in the west which is his heart inside his heart and only exists inside his heart east of his heart west of his heart outside his heart his heart creates himself inside his heart.

I still think you a mess, Noose. Replacing Christ with an idol of a man's heart.
Whatever you are describing here is a real mess even though reality is just a thought.
East as used in that passage and many other passages doesn't mean a direction but judgement and judgement is of the heart. God placed in there truth, meaning that if you stray from truth, you are already under judgement.

Genesis 1 can not say that all plants were available on earth's surface by end of day 3 and Genesis 2 says another thing, that there was no plant and God had to work on a garden. If God worked on a garden, then He created, but how comes this creation is not part of the 6 days creation?
 

Noose

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Evil will still be observable if God keep a memorial of the evildoers and their destruction. It could be like a tape or digital archive, I am sure God knows how to preserve data. His mind can do that also.

Exactly my point. The purpose of creation was to give meaning to the eternal aspects like good/eternal/love/justice by a mind putting them in comparison with evil/temporal/ hate/ injustice


You are trying to make Genesis 1 and 2 linear. That is not the case. Genesis 2 is restating some of what God did in chapter 1. :cool:
Well, that doesn't work because by end of day 3, all kinds of plants were covering the surface of the earth but Genesis 2 says that no shrub had yet grown because God had not caused it to rain. According to Genesis 1, the only 'no plants' days were day 1 and day 2, so if there was a time that 'no shrub had yet grown' should be upto day 2 of Genesis 1, but then God prepared a garden in the East with all kinds of plants- which day should this be?
 

Noose

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If your house came crashing down on you, your prospective of reality would come into view real quick.
There are no houses and there are no crushes, only thoughts which actualizes the space-time, once we die, then the real house has crushed because it will be no more.

Job 14:4Who can bring clean out of unclean? No one! 5Since his days are determined and the number of his months is with You, and since You have set limits that he cannot exceed, 6look away from him and let him rest, so he can enjoy his day as a hired hand.
 
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There are no houses and there are no crushes, only thoughts which actualizes the space-time, once we die, then the real house has crushed because it will be no more.

Job 14:4Who can bring clean out of unclean? No one! 5Since his days are determined and the number of his months is with You, and since You have set limits that he cannot exceed, 6look away from him and let him rest, so he can enjoy his day as a hired hand.
that’s interesting you quoted Job, I don’t think what happened to him was a thought in his head but a real reality.
 

Noose

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that’s interesting you quoted Job, I don’t think what happened to him was a thought in his head but a real reality.
The reason the bible says godliness is a mystery. Note; it doesn't say God is a mystery but godliness is a mystery. How we can see and experience all these things separate from self yet we can not understand our own self/mind/spirit? I think part of this mystery is that God has occupied us and God Himself is these experiences.

Ecc 3:9What does the worker gain from his toil? 10I have seen the burden that God has laid on men to occupy them.11He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men, yet they cannot fathom the work God has done from beginning to end.

Personally, i can explain through experience how the mind creates.

As much as we think time is a reality separate from us, it is actually in us and we must experience passage of time for it to exist. All time can be categorized as past (that which was experienced), present (that which we experience) and future (That which we can predict based on past and present experiences)- in all these, a conscious mind must be present. There can never be 1billion years if humans were not there or a conscious mind.

Placed in a dark room, you would not experience 'passage of time' because you will not be seeing succession of events and the eyes are one of the gateways to the mind even though there will be successive events like from one heart beat to another.

Placed in a rotating room, you will not experience passage of time unless there's a stationery object in that room so that by seeing it you can count how many times you are coming across it thereby creating a concept in the mind called time passage.

All reality is in the dimension of time-space which is a creation of a conscious mind, without time, nothing really exists.
Without time in Job's mind, Job's suffering is nothingness.
 

Noose

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Some Philosophy around Biocentrism.