What does born again mean?

Locoponydirtman · Jan 15, 2023

Abusing Ezekiels prophesy to apply it to Lazerus dont work. Plus youeft out something.
Also He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.” ’ ” So I prophesied as He commanded me, and breath came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army.
Ezekiel 37:9‭-‬10 NKJV
Seems he spoke to their breath or spirit as well.
So get off the gas trying to correct someone

Locoponydirtman · Jan 15, 2023

Jesus called out to Lazerus and Lazerus rose from the dead. Not a walking corpse or a golem or a zombie, but Lazerus the man. He walked out alive.

Webers.Home · Jan 15, 2023

To my knowledge; it's okay to speak of a person's body the same as
speaking of the person themselves; for example:

• Jonah 1:17 . . Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Was Jonah really in the fish three days and nights? Well; the thing is; he
spent some of that time underground in a place located at the bottoms of
the mountains. (Jonah 2:6) Needless to say: mountains aren't rooted in the
tummies of fish, they're rooted deep in the Earth.

Here's another:

• Matt 12:40-41 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a
huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart
of the earth.

Was the Son of Man really in the heart of the Earth for three days and three
nights? Well, the thing is; he spent some of that time up on the surface in a
rock-hewn tomb.

Point being: it's okay to use Jonah's name for his body and it's okay to use
his name for the prophet himself: ditto for the Son of Man.

So: when Jesus called out to Lazarus, there's no telling to which he was
calling-- the man's body or the man himself --because either one would do
as well as the other. For example:

• John 5:28-29 . . A time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear
his voice and come out-- those who have done good will rise to live, and
those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.
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Locoponydirtman · Jan 15, 2023

Webers.Home said:

And the Word was God.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
John 1:1‭-‬3 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/jhn.1.1-3.NKJV

Saul-to-Paul · Jan 15, 2023

Locoponydirtman said:

Jesus called a dead stinking corpse without a spirit.

Webers.Home · Jan 16, 2023

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• John 1:1 . . In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

• John 1:14 . . And the Word was made flesh, and the flesh was God.

No; the Word's flesh wasn't God, and couldn't be God, because Jesus is easily
shown biologically related to David, and from thence biologically related to
Adam; indicating baby Jesus was a creature of design, and his conception was
for real rather than a gimmick. (cf. Heb 10:5)

Also; several times in the New Testament the Word's flesh is described as
God's "begotten son" indicating the Father pre-existed Jesus.

Along with that, Phil 2:6-8 testifies that the Word set aside his deity
when he came into the world. That was essential in order for him to be a
bona fide human being instead of a freaky hominid.

All in all; I sincerely believe it's a huge mistake to insist baby Jesus was
divine at birth. He's ranked as God now, yes, but he wasn't to start with; no,
not prior to the cross.

• Phil 2:8-9 . . And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself
and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross. Therefore God
exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every
name.

"the name" above every name is of course Jehovah (a.k.a. Yahweh) and God's
throne is the "highest place". (Ps 110:1)

NOTE: The first of Jesus' friends to address him as God was Thomas; and the
timing couldn't have been better. Had he addressed Jesus as God prior to his
crucifixion; Thomas would've likely incurred a scolding. (cf. Matt 19:17)
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Webers.Home · Jan 16, 2023

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FAQ: You say Jesus was biologically related to David. Why?

REPLY: Because Jesus was on track to ascend David's throne. (Luke 1:32)
The thing is: any and all candidates for David's throne have to be among his
royal posterity biologically; no exceptions.

• Ps 89:35-36 . . Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto
David. His seed shall endure forever, and his throne as the sun before me.

• Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn
from it: "Of the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne".

• Acts 2:29-30 . . Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the
patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us
unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn
with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he
would raise up Christ to sit on his throne.
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ForestGreenCook · Jan 16, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

“Water Baptism was done by John the Baptist for Repentance only”

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost….. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:37-38, 41‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Baptism is about Jesus death for our sins

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4, 6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it is the New Testament circumcision of the sins of the flesh

“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism,

wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it is also recognition into Abraham’s family by the blood of Jesus abrahams seed so we can inherit the promise of everlasting life in his kingdom

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

getting baptized is just part of what someone does when they hear and believe what baptism is for

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

receving the Holy Spirit doesn’t remit our sins believing Jesus does for our sins and repenting and getting baptized into his death re it’s our sins the Holy Spirit comes to anyone that hears and believes the gospel but baptism is still for repentance and remission of sins because you believe Jesus died for your sins

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42-44, 46-48‬ ‭

Baptism is just what it’s always been receiving the gift of the holy spirit because we believe , is what’s new it doesn’t replace baptism for remission of sins in Christs name it’s just that now we receive the Holy Ghost like Jesus said his disciples would “ water “ baptism is the only baptism there is , receiving the Holy Ghost from Jesus is given to all believers[/QUOTE]

Remission of sins, and the promise of an eternal inheritance, was accomplished on the cross for all of those that God gave to his Son.

Mark 1:4, For (unto) the remission of sins, which would be accomplished on the cross.

Luke 24:47, The remission of sins, for those that God gave to his Son, should be preached in his name to (the lost sheep of the house of Israel) who are from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation (Rev 5:9).

Mark 16:15-16, The lost sheep, of the household of Israel, were scattered abroad ( Matt 26:31 ). The gospel WAS PREACHED to every creature which is under heaven Col 1:23. The "saved" in verse 16 is not referencing eternal heaven, but rather, a deliverance that can be received by God's children, as they sojourn here on earth. saved, according to Greek means "delivered:"

Acts 2:36-39, Peter was preaching to the lost sheep of the household of Israel in verse 36.

When a person is born again, God exchanges the stony heart of the natural man for a fleshy heart that can be pricked to feel spiritual guilt ( Ezk 1119).

The Jews in Acts 2:37 were already born again, and reacted from their guilty conscience, by responding by saying unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, "What must we do?"

In contrast, when Stephen, preached the same rermon as Peter, to those men with a stony heart, they were "cut to the heart" and. gnashed on him with their teeth. ( Acts 7:54 ).

Rom 6:3-4, baptism doth also now save (deliver) us (from our guilty conscience). The "save" has no reference to eternal deliverance.

ForestGreenCook · Jan 16, 2023

wattie said:

Believing the gospel is a product of already being born again.

The babe in Christ, when he has matured enough to come unto a knowledge of the truth, is saved (delivered) from his ignorance. saved, according to Greek interpretation, means "delivered". This is a timely deliverance, not an eternal one.

Being regenerated, or born again, is when God, by his sovereign grace, quickens the spiritually dead person to a new spiritual life ( Eph 2:1-5 ).

Pilgrimshope · Jan 16, 2023

ForestGreenCook said:

Remission of sins, and the promise of an eternal inheritance, was accomplished on the cross for all of those that God gave to his Son.

Mark 1:4, For (unto) the remission of sins, which would be accomplished on the cross.

Luke 24:47, The remission of sins, for those that God gave to his Son, should be preached in his name to (the lost sheep of the house of Israel) who are from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation (Rev 5:9).

Mark 16:15-16, The lost sheep, of the household of Israel, were scattered abroad ( Matt 26:31 ). The gospel WAS PREACHED to every creature which is under heaven Col 1:23. The "saved" in verse 16 is not referencing eternal heaven, but rather, a deliverance that can be received by God's children, as they sojourn here on earth. saved, according to Greek means "delivered:"

Acts 2:36-39, Peter was preaching to the lost sheep of the household of Israel in verse 36.

When a person is born again, God exchanges the stony heart of the natural man for a fleshy heart that can be pricked to feel spiritual guilt ( Ezk 1119).

The Jews in Acts 2:37 were already born again, and reacted from their guilty conscience, by responding by saying unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, "What must we do?"

In contrast, when Stephen, preached the same rermon as Peter, to those men with a stony heart, they were "cut to the heart" and. gnashed on him with their teeth. ( Acts 7:54 ).

Rom 6:3-4, baptism doth also now save (deliver) us (from our guilty conscience). The "save" has no reference to eternal deliverance.[/QUOTE]

We are taught we either hear and believe and follow or we don’t it’s an instruction fornus to live a new life after converting

“if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness ( you’ve been renewed now walk it out by faith it’s about change )

(Instructions in righteousness change our minds about God ourselves and life )

Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil.

Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-22, 24-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As we start to let the truth into our mind and heart hearing those instructions from God of how to live this happens

“and be renewed in the spirit of your mind;”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And this happens

“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“born again “ “ renewed in spirit “ “ set free from the dungeon of sin “ it’s all the same point it’s about a new beginning

a when we get baptized it’s for repentance and remission of sins ehat that means is we’ve become like a new born baby to God were now innocent s if we have never sinned it’s a new beginning born again renewed raised from the dead ect it’s all about the concept of the gospel being able to change us through belief from sinners who have no real moral compass to children of God filled with the knowledge of his son in whom we believe

a born again is a concept about receiving new start from the mercy of God alone even though we sinned before he’s willing to forgive and forget if we will hear and believe Jesus

its a change concept like being set free from a snare , being set free from the bondage of sin and the guilty stains it left on us , no one actually is reborn but through faith we change and become new people it isn’t just because we get baptized d God doesn’t magically do it fornus

E get baptized so our sins can be removed and we can come into a relationship with God and learn from him and become new people that don’t think and act like lost sinners but become over time and through patience more like Jesus s we follow him

a born again is the same concept as being crucified and raised up from the dead it’s an end to the old d a new beginning where the person is t a condemned sinner but is a forgiven and clean child of God we just become disciples of Jesus learn from him and trust in him and that changes us

awe just let the doctrines in and Gods word will do the rest to change us

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when we hear the doctrine like this the instructions

Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil.

Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.”

When we don’t reject it but instead accept and believe it it works in us to change our minds ( how we think about God ourselves the world life ect) and change our Will to be like Jesus Will and this then changes our actions

It’s all about change new beginning a new way to go a new life on Christ a new freedom we havent known

to be born again is a concept not an event it’s about the change of a sinner to a child of the living God

Water baptism is something Gods Holy Spirit established sending John to precede Jesus and has never changes its intent or meaning it’s for those who repent and believe the gospel to remit thier sins based on what God said , receiving the Holy Spirit is about a new life power in us it has nothing to do with remission of sins that’s what the water and blood are for

brighthouse98 · Jan 16, 2023

Brother ephfourfive As an Elder of the Church Born again to me is as I am a simple man means to now become awake to the truth of both Jesus as our Savior but following in his deeds as well! For if a person is wake to the truth, his or her mind is also awake! (Rom 12:1-2) When I became born again, I received this scripture from Holy Spirit in me!!! What an awakening!!!(Rom 13:11-14!!!) Hope this helps!

ephfourfive · Jan 16, 2023

Runningman said:

what makes us Christian and in Christ? Thanks

ephfourfive · Jan 16, 2023

oyster67 said:

Sacred scripture:
Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jn 3:5 Protestant version: Jesus answered, verily, verily, I say to thee, except a man be born of water; and then born again by the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Protestant version refuted by
Jn 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. (They did not preach “faith alone” or “spiritual baptism”)

Protestant version refuted by the fact to be possible to be born again supernaturally you must already be born naturally.
thanks

ephfourfive · Jan 16, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

 Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

(Key verse! Actions speak louder than words: verse 22)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!

baptismal regeneration!
A new creation in Christ! 2 cor 5:17
Jn 1 JTB prepared the way by baptism!
Jn 2 the waters of purification are OT prefigurement of baptism!
Jn 3:5 born again means baptism
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river! Not to preach “accept Christ as personal lord and savior”
But to BAPTIZE!!!
thanks

Cameron143 · Jan 16, 2023

Have you considered that water here is a reference to the word of God?

Faith comes...by the word of God.

We are born of incorruptible seed...which is the word of God...

The gospel, like a cool drink, brings refreshing to the soul.

ephfourfive · Jan 16, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

 Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

(Key verse! Actions speak louder than words: verse 22)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!

baptismal regeneration!
A new creation in Christ! 2 cor 5:17
Jn 1 JTB prepared the way by baptism!
Jn 2 the waters of purification are OT prefigurement of baptism!
Jn 3:5 born again means baptism
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river! Not to preach “accept Christ as personal lord and savior”
But to BAPTIZE!!!
Thanks

Magenta · Jan 16, 2023

Cameron143 said:

Very few see it that way. Unfortunately...

Cameron143 · Jan 16, 2023

Magenta said:

So I have noticed. And hello.

Magenta · Jan 16, 2023

Cameron143 said:

Good morning!

Titus 3:4-5

Cameron143 · Jan 16, 2023

Magenta said:

Also, John 15:3

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