What do you think about works?
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Yes Indeed I understand, that reminds me of 2 Peter 1: 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 and to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
All of these things flow out of being filled with the Holy Spirit, which happens when one becomes a Christian. However, they don't make a person a Christian.
A Christian is a person who believes, on faith, by God's grace, in the Person and finished work of Jesus Christ: His divinity, incarnation, atoning death, burial, and resurrection.
A Christian is a person who believes, on faith, by God's grace, in the Person and finished work of Jesus Christ: His divinity, incarnation, atoning death, burial, and resurrection.
You just said it right there, "No one is perfect my friend," but the young man had one more step to go to be perfect. That was to sell his goods. Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
No need to worry my friend
"Which many people that believe as you do neglect the poor and needy, ...."
if we neglect the (spiritual) poor and needy by telling them things like all they need is faith and "just believe" and you are saved or various teachings that are (vocally) against things like works -- so much: instead of giving them the more and more Words of Life that they might need to grow up in Christ... we can cause others to fail to ever really get on the good path (the Way) enough to ever get very far to Christ and the Kingdom. they could be lost from much any real life and we not even know about it. because of our "faith" in ideas -- instead of Life.
if I say I believe in GOD, if I say I have faith, if I say I'm in GOD's grace, I know the person Jesus, his finished work's, I know his divinity, death and resurrection, How do these acknowledgements, prove I am a Christian ?, how do these acknowledgements show that GOD is the head of my house and that Jesus is IN me ?,, how can I prove to people/ or they see Christ leading me, surely we can't go walking around JUST thinking we are saved, or that the grace of GOD covers me always, so I no longer need to be mindful of what I do or say.
There MUST be a certain way we are to act, and a certain way we are to respond, and a certain way we are to Live, or else everyone is a Christian, who says they are, without having to live a life that shows it
There MUST be a certain way we are to act, and a certain way we are to respond, and a certain way we are to Live, or else everyone is a Christian, who says they are, without having to live a life that shows it
The "certain way to act" is like Jesus. Paul tells us about this in Galatians 5:22-23, the fruit of the Holy Spirit. The whole point of acting "like" a Christian is to interact with others such that they see Jesus in and through you. None of us does that perfectly, but as we mature in Christ, it is increasingly evident. Striving to make it happen usually fails. Being mindful of our actions, repenting when wrong, and seeking God's input to change us for the better is the more effective path.
By the way, we are not called to prove anything to anyone. Salvation is by faith, not by proof.
By the way, we are not called to prove anything to anyone. Salvation is by faith, not by proof.
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You are to put your trust in the Lord not in any man. We are even to look at what Paul says to be sure it agrees with scripture, and no man since has been equal to Paul, and most certainly not an old 96 year old woman that I am. I suggest things to think about, and never, never something you are to put your trust in to replace trusting the Lord.
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isn't what I listed before, (what makes/is a Christian) "acting like Christ", surely we all (on CHRISTIAN Chat) know none of us are perfect, that we continually grow in Christ, that we fall but must get back up, repent & try not to fall again, that we SHOULD go to church, read the Bible, and pray continuously,... ...my point...How are we to "act like Christ" to achieve all those BROAD terms and acknowledgements of a Christian.
I think the list I provided adds some clarity, and I'm sure it can be added to. (meaning, human behaviour)
The list also happens to be the 10 Commandments- Laws-Works,to which some on here totally oppose.
With out any disrespect, my brother in Christ, the list reads as a life that we live, "living as Christ" for he lives in us, through us, for us, so I'm led to believe, so we mustn't (act), we must BE, CHRIST-like.
Once we have we asked the Lord into our life, do we continually ask him back in ? or do we repent for our fall from grace, and keep moving forward knowing he's still there, knowing he hasn't abandoned us.
And are we not meant to shine our light to those who do not know our Lord,.. congregate with our brother's and sister's, YES, ..then share the word and light with our neighbours (strangers) whom we must love
I'm sorry my brother, I must correct you, for I have proven to MY doubters & those expecting me to fall, that I'm walking with Christ, (who were mostly family and friends), as I'm sure many of our brother's and sister's in Christ, can relate to. ....."I LOVE THE LORD": GODblessusall
I think the list I provided adds some clarity, and I'm sure it can be added to. (meaning, human behaviour)
The list also happens to be the 10 Commandments- Laws-Works,to which some on here totally oppose.
With out any disrespect, my brother in Christ, the list reads as a life that we live, "living as Christ" for he lives in us, through us, for us, so I'm led to believe, so we mustn't (act), we must BE, CHRIST-like.
Once we have we asked the Lord into our life, do we continually ask him back in ? or do we repent for our fall from grace, and keep moving forward knowing he's still there, knowing he hasn't abandoned us.
And are we not meant to shine our light to those who do not know our Lord,.. congregate with our brother's and sister's, YES, ..then share the word and light with our neighbours (strangers) whom we must love
I'm sorry my brother, I must correct you, for I have proven to MY doubters & those expecting me to fall, that I'm walking with Christ, (who were mostly family and friends), as I'm sure many of our brother's and sister's in Christ, can relate to. ....."I LOVE THE LORD": GODblessusall
It always happen in the debate between Islam and Christian in indonesia
I always hear Islam accused Christian teaching as encourage criminal doing
Islam think Jesus teach salvation by faith not by work, mean go ahead to kill or rob the bank as long as you believe Jesus you go to heaven.
And some Christian believe that too.
Is not what Jesus teach. Salvation by believe, mean believe His teaching and Jesus's teaching is to love not to kill
Killing prove one don't believe Jesus teaching mean not save because salvation by believe or faith
Noah have faith that faith cause him to do thousand hours of work to build an arch
So faith mean work if you have time to life
I always hear Islam accused Christian teaching as encourage criminal doing
Islam think Jesus teach salvation by faith not by work, mean go ahead to kill or rob the bank as long as you believe Jesus you go to heaven.
And some Christian believe that too.
Is not what Jesus teach. Salvation by believe, mean believe His teaching and Jesus's teaching is to love not to kill
Killing prove one don't believe Jesus teaching mean not save because salvation by believe or faith
Noah have faith that faith cause him to do thousand hours of work to build an arch
So faith mean work if you have time to life
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@Jackson123
we can learn alot from other people. in our own mind's eye we might get lost in thoughts and ideas that are only pieces of the puzzle (1 Cor 13:12). but it is not the WHOLE truth.
and it can very much mislead others, which is not good. Faith in Who , Believe in Who?
The Best Law Keeper in The World, The Most Spiritual Man and Moral Man Who Only Does God's Will (Islam). In Other Words A Perfect Muslim (In God's Sight) And In Sight Of All Who Would Meet Him Face To Face Who Are Spiritual Muslim (Actual Muslims Who Do God's Will).
If a very extremely true servant of His appeared today, who would recognize such a one in truth? not any hung up on ideas ... so much, but without seeking truth in their own lives and thoughts -- over errors. "for now we see... darkly" but the more with light (of various kinds) we can (begin to) see, the more we might recognize such a one ... one day.
we can learn alot from other people. in our own mind's eye we might get lost in thoughts and ideas that are only pieces of the puzzle (1 Cor 13:12). but it is not the WHOLE truth.
and it can very much mislead others, which is not good. Faith in Who , Believe in Who?
The Best Law Keeper in The World, The Most Spiritual Man and Moral Man Who Only Does God's Will (Islam). In Other Words A Perfect Muslim (In God's Sight) And In Sight Of All Who Would Meet Him Face To Face Who Are Spiritual Muslim (Actual Muslims Who Do God's Will).
If a very extremely true servant of His appeared today, who would recognize such a one in truth? not any hung up on ideas ... so much, but without seeking truth in their own lives and thoughts -- over errors. "for now we see... darkly" but the more with light (of various kinds) we can (begin to) see, the more we might recognize such a one ... one day.
but anyone can SAY they have faith in Christ,... HOW...do your family and friends, your neighbour on the street, tell a Christian from an Atheist, there must be some way to tell us apart, cause people can't see Christ in you until you demonstrate that he is .... how is that done? it's quite obvious that we are called to live differently from from the Atheist of this world, it's what separates us, otherwise we are all just Atheist who SAY we believe in Jesus and are saved.