What did Jesus mean?

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Diakonos

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In each of the conversion experiences baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus pertains to being baptized in water, and receiving the Holy Ghost/Spirit is a separate event. I included the scriptures for your convenience. Water baptisms=bold, receiving the Holy Ghost=underlined.

Acts 2:38-39 (Jewish) The group did not receive the Holy Ghost the moment they believed in Jesus. However, they were told they could expect the Holy Ghost at some point.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, AND ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 9:17-18 (Paul received the Holy Ghost and submitted to water baptism)
And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.


Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's obedience to water baptism washed away his sins according to Ananias)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans-half jewish-half gentile)
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
AND
when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Thank you for bolding and underlining your view on the differences. I value clarity and brevity.
I wish I had more time to discuss this (I'm starting finals for this college semester).

In this post, you have re-stated the claim that Acts 2:38, 22:16 are about water baptism.
But the question I asked was, "Why do you claim that those verses are about water baptism?"
 

Wansvic

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She claims ya didn’t have to get baptized until Jesus death and resurrection.

So all the Old Testament saints get a baptism pass.

Of course the WHOLE reason for including the thief on the cross account was to show that it’s never too late to believe, accept, and be born again. Baptism or not.
Water baptism of repentance was introduced by John the Baptist. (Mark 1:1-4, Luke 3:3-4) And was later modified to include the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of one's personal sin in association with Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. Although many refuse to accept it, being born again is a NT reality made available after the Holy Ghost was given on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2:38)
 

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I don't think anyone can say with certainty that the thief on the cross had not been baptized,
especially given the fact that Scripture says:
The whole Judean countryside and all the people
of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.


Him being John the Baptist ;)
 

Wansvic

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Thank you for bolding and underlining your view on the differences. I value clarity and brevity.
I wish I had more time to discuss this (I'm starting finals for this college semester).

In this post, you have re-stated the claim that Acts 2:38, 22:16 are about water baptism.
But the question I asked was, "Why do you claim that those verses are about water baptism?"
Please take a close look at the scriptures presented. They indicate that baptism in the name of Jesus is water baptism. Many fail to realize this because they are familiar with people being water baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The apostles consistently baptized individuals in the name of the Lord Jesus. According to the Word truth is established by 2-3 scriptures stating the same thing. (Matt. 18:16, 2 Cor. 13:1)
 

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Totally disagree. Jesus so-called "popularity" was unparalleled. It was immense. There are many passages but let's start with Matthew 4:23-25. This was the very beginning of His Galilean ministry.

Let me ask you this: If you heard that a Man was actually and truly healing people how big would the crowd be? Huge. And they came from all the surrounding areas as well.

As for the feeding of 5000 the actual size of the crowd was more like 20-25,000.

During the time of Jesus' ministry the number of true disciples may have been limited. But the crowds were enormous.

Even John the Baptist crowds were immense. But Jesus multitudes were far greater and followed him for days on end. On foot. With no food or lodging.
It's fine if you disagree and worship a Jesus of your own creation...

My feelings won't be hurt in the slightest.

But the Jesus who is....
He is the annoying truth that won't go away. Annoying because even though he is wrong he is soooo very right too all at the same time.
 

JohnDB

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I don't think anyone can say with certainty that the thief on the cross had not been baptized,
especially given the fact that Scripture says:
The whole Judean countryside and all the people
of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.


Him being John the Baptist;)
I doubt that he was baptized even though you quoted the perfect hyperbole to counter such a claim.

Just saying.
 

Diakonos

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They indicate that baptism in the name of Jesus is water baptism
That is the assumption I've challenged, by asking the question, "Why do you claim that those verses are about water baptism?"
Again, you are merely stating that it means water baptism. Please enlighten me; deconstruct the passages (Acts 2:38, 22:16), and show me how they are referring to "water" baptism.

I'll wait...
 

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He is the ***annoying truth*** that won't go away. Annoying because ***even though he is wrong*** he is soooo very right too all at the same time.
Aaaahhhhmmmm........yea, I think I'm gonna have to put you on ignore. Have a nice evening.
 

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I don't think anyone can say with certainty that the thief on the cross had not been baptized,
especially given the fact that Scripture says:
The whole Judean countryside and all the people
of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.


Him being John the Baptist;)
The nominal sequence is repent and then be baptized. IMO the thief on the cross repented then and there. No time or opportunity for step number two.
 

GaryA

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A quick check of the concordance: Baptizo

I: to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)

II: to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe

III: to overwhelm
"to each his/her own"

I think your concordance has taken some poetic license with its definitions.
 

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She claims ya didn’t have to get baptized until Jesus death and resurrection.
Kinda raises the question - if that is the case, then why did John bother to baptize anyone?
 

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The thief died prior to the NT mandate that was instituted on the Day of Pentecost. This truth was prophesied by Jesus in Luke 24:47. Being reborn spiritually required receiving the Holy Ghost, and having one's sins dealt with in obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus in association with Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. (Acts 2:2-38) The requirements presented by Peter parallel Jesus' statement in John 3:3-5.

See Paul's comments concerning what occurs when one is obedient to the command to be baptized in Romans 6:3-6.
We can disagree...
 

Wansvic

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That is the assumption I've challenged, by asking the question, "Why do you claim that those verses are about water baptism?"
Again, you are merely stating that it means water baptism. Please enlighten me; deconstruct the passages (Acts 2:38, 22:16), and show me how they are referring to "water" baptism.

I'll wait...
A study of all scripture relevant to a topic will result in clarification of truth. (2 Tim 2:16-17)
Point-John the Baptist introduced water baptism as detailed in Mark 1:1-5. It was a baptism of repentance for the remission of sin.

Point-Jesus said that repentance and remission of sin (connected to water baptism as stated in the previous point) would be preached in His name BEGINNING in Jerusalem. This occurred on the Day of Pentecost when baptism was modified to include the use of name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 2:38)

Point-Ananias' instruction to Paul in Acts 22:16 specifically says be baptized and wash away your sin calling upon the name of the Lord. The connection - remission of sin, the use of the name of the Lord Jesus.

Point-Peter's exchange with the Gentiles, "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
(Acts 10:48)

Point-When the Ephesus disciples said they had not heard of the Holy Ghost, Paul began diagnosing the problem. When they stated they were baptized unto John's baptism, Paul knew their lack of knowledge was the result of not having heard about what occurred at Pentecost or the message given at that time. After telling them about Jesus, Paul rebaptized the group in water in the name of the Lord Jesus. How can this be known? Because two things occurred. The group was baptized FIRST and after that. Paul THEN laid hands upon them in order for them to receive the Holy Ghost and they spoke in tongues. (Acts 19:1-6) This is yet another parallel of the requirements contained in the message recorded in Acts 2:38.
 
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Wansvic

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Kinda raises the question - if that is the case, then why did John bother to baptize anyone?
John the Baptist was sent to introduce water baptism of repentance for the remission of sin in preparation of the coming Messiah.
As stated in Mark, John's message concerning water baptism for repentance was the beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ. (Mark 1:1-3)
 

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Another scripture that makes a distinction between being washed/cleansed of sin in the name of Jesus AND by the Spirit.

"And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, AND by the Spirit of our God." 1 Cor 6:11
 

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I don't think anyone can say with certainty that the thief on the cross had not been baptized,
especially given the fact that Scripture says:
The whole Judean countryside and all the people
of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.


Him being John the Baptist;)
Good catch. I often wondered the same thing but missed that verse somehow. The nagging question would be is ; Where would that particular criminal come from? If it were very important I think the authors of at least 1 of the Gospels would have been inspired to identify him as Joe son of ? from Kokkomo. That's the common way way individuals were ID'd. Jesus was Yehoshua (Son of Yahweh) Ben (From the house of ) Joseph, from the town Nazareth. Or something close to that.
 

Wansvic

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Many scriptures shed light on what Jesus meant by water and Spirit. All detailed conversions involved water and Spirit. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) By God's design being born naturally involves coming forth out of water and taking in the breath of life. A parallel is clearly seen. Being born AGAIN requires both water and receiving the Spirit.
@oyster67 My comment does not reflect what you believe. My point was that in the natural, a baby is born via water and Spirit (breath of life) To be born again requires both elements as well; water as in water baptism for remission of sin, and receiving the receiving the indwelling Spirit. The truth of this concept is referenced in Rom 1:20 where it is stated that man is without excuse because spiritual realities can be seen in how God created things in the natural.

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"