What are you thoughts on Annihilation?
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CV5, Im sorry, but at this point I feel like Im trying to teach sign language to a school of fish.🙄
ps Btw, I thought you were against us? that verse is just one more proof text for Annihilation. Jesus died in our place!
“24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.”
CV5, Im sorry, but at this point I feel like Im trying to teach sign language to a school of fish.🙄
ps Btw, I thought you were against us? that verse is just one more proof text for Annihilation. Jesus died in our place!
“24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.”
Psa 148:10 Beasts, and all cattle; creeping things, and flying fowl:
Psa 148:11 Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and all judges of the earth:
Psa 148:12 Both young men, and maidens; old men, and children:
Psa 148:13 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.
Psa 148:11 Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and all judges of the earth:
Psa 148:12 Both young men, and maidens; old men, and children:
Psa 148:13 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.
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And yes, I understand that many do that. But you and I are already in a conversation on the same thread. If you comment on another post of mine from a different conversation with another person, then you and I will be having separate conversations in the same thread, which will eventually lead to misunderstandings. Having conversations with multiple people in one thread is one thing...but to have several conversations with a single person in the same thread will lead to confusion. I've seen it happen so many times. I'm just trying to save you the headache ahead of time.
And yes, I understand that many do that. But you and I are already in a conversation on the same thread. If you comment on another post of mine from a different conversation with another person, then you and I will be having separate conversations in the same thread, which will eventually lead to misunderstandings. Having conversations with multiple people in one thread is one thing...but to have several conversations with a single person in the same thread will lead to confusion. I've seen it happen so many times. I'm just trying to save you the headache ahead of time.
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Marilyn,
That notion is nowhere to be found in Scripture. God Himself is eternal but His activating breath of life is finite, just as the present heaven and earth are finite. Only Roman Catholics (who got the idea from the pagans) believe man has an immortal soul. It is blasphemy to say man is immortal. And if he was, then what would be the point of the resurrection?
“who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.”—1st Timothy 6:16
That notion is nowhere to be found in Scripture. God Himself is eternal but His activating breath of life is finite, just as the present heaven and earth are finite. Only Roman Catholics (who got the idea from the pagans) believe man has an immortal soul. It is blasphemy to say man is immortal. And if he was, then what would be the point of the resurrection?
“who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.”—1st Timothy 6:16
I dont mean to be rude, but if you aren’t familiar with Revelation then why are you participating in this forum? Here are 4 verses referencing the SECOND death.
Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:8
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But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Revelation 2:11
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He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.’
Revelation 20:6
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Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/The-Second-Death
Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:8
Verse Concepts
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Revelation 2:11
Verse Concepts
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.’
Revelation 20:6
Verse Concepts
Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/The-Second-Death
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A swing and a miss. You do realize that your batting zero.......yes? But at least you're consistent. You had the same results on the pretrib rapture threads.
The beast and false prophet are born mere mortal men. These two preceed Satan himself who is later cast into the lake of fire along with them. Consequently all three suffer an eternal punishment of torment.
Rev 20:10
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and false prophet WERE and THEY will be tormented (G928) day and night forever and ever"
This is perfectly consistent with everything Jesus ever said about the lake of fire.
And that's a wrap lady. Good evening to you....
The beast and false prophet are born mere mortal men. These two preceed Satan himself who is later cast into the lake of fire along with them. Consequently all three suffer an eternal punishment of torment.
Rev 20:10
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and false prophet WERE and THEY will be tormented (G928) day and night forever and ever"
This is perfectly consistent with everything Jesus ever said about the lake of fire.
And that's a wrap lady. Good evening to you....
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I'm wondering why you are telling me to do this, when in your Post #543, you yourself didn't take your own advice, but rather placed only ONE of the definitions for each of these words (whereas, I've pointed out in past posts, the two words can be either a "positive" or a "negative" DEPENDING ON CONTEXT...
...yet you only supplied ONE definition for each instead of the WHOLE DEFINITION so ppl could see this for themselves how the words are used within their various contexts in very distinct ways [one could say, OPPOSITE ways, depending on WHO it is that's DOING the "TAKE[-ing]" and "LEFT"[/leaving] thing]):
-- https://christianchat.com/threads/what-are-you-thoughts-on-annihilation.201874/post-4683908
Again, the words' DEFINITIONS (these 2 words ^ ) DEPENDS on CONTEXT... meaning, as to WHO IT IS that is doing the "TAKE" and "LEFT" thing, and TO WHAT ENDS.
(In past posts, I've mentioned that it is the ANGELS / REAPERS who will "collect ye FIRST the TARES" in such CONTEXTS--meaning, at the time-slot surrounding Christ's Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age... the CONTEXT of Matt24:36-51 / Mk13:32-37 / Lk12:36-48 [and Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50... the passage which the disciples BASED their LATER QUESTION to Jesus in Matt24:3, and Jesus' response entails two chpts: chpts24-25])
But my point is, if you are going to insist that *I* put the ENTIRE DEFINITION (even WHEN the CONTEXT of a particular VERSE calls for ONE of the definitions / usages, and not the others)... then you yourself should think about:
1) you yourself DOING THE SAME!!,
or else... quit insisting that I must do something that you yourself have violated in this very thread, regarding this demand of yours; or
2) reconsider why, in some posts, I may have zeroed in on one definition (and endeavored to "explain" such, in said posts), just as you had in your own Post #543 (i.e. to make a point about "CONTEXT," right??)
... but at least BE CONSISTENT!
[eye... mote / beam thing... ]
...yet you only supplied ONE definition for each instead of the WHOLE DEFINITION so ppl could see this for themselves how the words are used within their various contexts in very distinct ways [one could say, OPPOSITE ways, depending on WHO it is that's DOING the "TAKE[-ing]" and "LEFT"[/leaving] thing]):
-- https://christianchat.com/threads/what-are-you-thoughts-on-annihilation.201874/post-4683908
Again, the words' DEFINITIONS (these 2 words ^ ) DEPENDS on CONTEXT... meaning, as to WHO IT IS that is doing the "TAKE" and "LEFT" thing, and TO WHAT ENDS.
(In past posts, I've mentioned that it is the ANGELS / REAPERS who will "collect ye FIRST the TARES" in such CONTEXTS--meaning, at the time-slot surrounding Christ's Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age... the CONTEXT of Matt24:36-51 / Mk13:32-37 / Lk12:36-48 [and Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50... the passage which the disciples BASED their LATER QUESTION to Jesus in Matt24:3, and Jesus' response entails two chpts: chpts24-25])
But my point is, if you are going to insist that *I* put the ENTIRE DEFINITION (even WHEN the CONTEXT of a particular VERSE calls for ONE of the definitions / usages, and not the others)... then you yourself should think about:
1) you yourself DOING THE SAME!!,
or else... quit insisting that I must do something that you yourself have violated in this very thread, regarding this demand of yours; or
2) reconsider why, in some posts, I may have zeroed in on one definition (and endeavored to "explain" such, in said posts), just as you had in your own Post #543 (i.e. to make a point about "CONTEXT," right??)
... but at least BE CONSISTENT!
[eye... mote / beam thing... ]-
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I was correcting errors in your post using your wording but with correct words instead. Don't claim I had posted one small part of a definition so I could suggest it can mean something other than it means. In other words, I did not do what you did.
You posted "ruin" as if that can be anything other than death when the dictionary clearly goes on to clarify that it does in fact mean death.
TDW: "destruction [G3639]," here, means "ruin" (even in the 2Th1:9 passage under discussion)
The actual definition with what TDW left out in red:
From ὄλλυμι ollumi a primary word (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, that is, death, punishment: - destruction.
Total KJV occurrences: 4
The "that is" is explaining what kind of ruin is meant by this word, death, punishment.
It doesn't just mean "ruin" which can be manipulated into meaning non-death which is TDW's purpose in misrepresenting the definition from the Strong's concordance. The words means "ruin" in the explicit form of "death" which is the punishment that will be forever. To leave out "destroy" and "death" is purposeful manipulation.
That's why everything you post MUST be double checked because you consistently do things like this.
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