What are his commandments?

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167» Eph 4:17-19 . . So I tell you this, and insist on it in The Lord, that you
must no longer live as the pagans do, in the futility of their thinking. They
are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God
because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their
hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to
sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for
more.

The Greek word translated "sensitivity" basically pertains to apathy; defined
by Webster's as a lack of feeling or emotion and/or a lack of interest or
concern, i.e. indifference. This is the only place in the entire New Testament
where the word appears so we can't compare its use in other contexts.

There are immoral people out there who wish they could stop themselves
but can't. I wouldn't call them indifferent: apathy, in this instance, applies to
hard-core immoral folk who view themselves as perfectly normal and
satisfied with themselves just as they are; having neither wish nor interest
in any other way of life.

The Ephesian church had a number of those hard-cores in their midst that
needed to wake up and realize that their attitude was maybe acceptable as
citizens in the Ephesian culture of that day, but thoroughly unacceptable as
Christians in any day. One of the very things they cherished, and that made
their lives worth the living, had to be let go.
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168» Eph 4:20-24 . .Surely you heard of Christ and were taught in him in
accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. You were taught, with regard to
your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by
its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to
put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and
holiness.

When God completed the six days of creation, He went on sabbatical (Gen
2:1-3). The six days were all bounded by an evening and a morning. The
seventh wasn't bounded; i.e. it hasn't ended, indicating that God has yet to
resume creating things for the current cosmos. So then, the new self spoken
of in the passage above isn't for the current cosmos, rather, it's a self
created for a cosmos yet to come. (Isa 65:17, 2Pet 3:13, Rev 21:1)

The Greek word translated "desire" basically means: a longing.

A longing by itself doesn't always indicate sinful desires. The very same word
describes The Lord's personal desire to dine in the company of his apostles
just prior to being crucified. (Luke 22:15)

The kind of longings in view here are "deceitful" which is from a Greek word
that basically pertains to delusion, which Webster's defines as: a persistent
false psychotic belief regarding the self, or persons or objects outside the
self, that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary-- in
other words: deceitful longings are delusional, a.k.a. pipe dreams.

For example: the old saying "The grass is greener on the other side" which
of course is an unreasonable expectation. Some people sincerely believe that
they would be happier if only they had more money. Well; sad to say,
money can be guaranteed to buy you neither love nor happiness.

Delusional longings get people to chasing after pots of gold at the end of
rainbows that may or may not satisfy; viz: sometimes the dream is better
than the reality. Meanwhile, their life clock is winding down while they're in
pursuit of those pots and they are steadily becoming more and more secular
and unspiritual. Paul "insists" that Christ's followers be practical, i.e. avoid
squandering their time and energy chasing after pipe dreams; viz: keep their
feet on the ground and their heads out of the clouds.
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169» Eph 4:25 . . Each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to
his neighbor, for we are all members of one body.

One's neighbor is not the same as one's brother; i.e. the former is an
acquaintance, the latter is kin.

Jews are required to be honest because dishonesty is prohibited by their law
(Lev 19:11) whereas dishonesty is wrong for Christ's followers because the
dishonesty of one Christian causes outsiders to question the integrity of the
whole.
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170» Eph 4:26a . . In your anger do not sin.

Anger isn't eo ipso evil. It's how one manages their anger that matters.
Anger can be a very useful tool when it's applied by somebody who knows
what they're doing. For example:

Mark 3:5 . . And when Jesus had looked round about on them with anger,
being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man:
Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored
whole as the other.

Everybody gets angry from time to time; just don't let it drive you to doing
something contrary to your better judgment, e.g. violence, profanity, malice,
cruelty, uncivil behavior, spite, ugly remarks, emotional outbursts,
vendettas, stubbornness, demeaning comments, grudging, hysteria, rivalry,
shouting, shrieking, spraying spittle, slamming doors, and/or throwing
things, etc.
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171» Eph 4:26-27 . . Do not let the sun go down on your wrath, nor give
place to the Devil.

The Greek word translated "wrath" indicates rage; defined by Webster's as
violent and uncontrolled anger; and in this verse includes nursing a grudge.

People in that state of mind are susceptible to doing things, and saying
things, that they will very much regret later.

Apparently the Devil is quick to find uses for volcanic, seething Christians,
i.e. they become what's known in the spy business as assets.
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172» Eph 4:28 . . He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must
work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have
something to share with those in need.

Isn't it just amazing that early Christian church members were active
criminals? Yes, right there in the Ephesian church were thieves. Ironically
Paul didn't forbid the Ephesian Christians to steal, no, of all things; he
ordered them to stop; and not only to stop stealing, but to stop stealing for
a living!

You'd think church would be the one place on earth where you'd be safe
from crime, but not so. Back in the 1970's I sang bass in the choir of a
monster Baptist church in San Diego. The 90+ member choir met in a
rehearsal room and the ladies would all leave their purses in there when we
moved out to be seated in the loft. The room had a very sturdy door and
was always securely locked when we left the room.

Well, one Sunday morning when we returned to the room, that Fort Knox
door and its lock were smashed open and all the ladies' purses were rifled.
No other door in the hallway was damaged so the break-in wasn't random,
viz: that burglary was an inside job.
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173» Eph 4:29 . . Don't use foul or abusive language. Let everything you
say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to
those who hear them.

"helpful" is from a Greek word that basically means: to build up (as opposed
to tearing down).

"foul or abusive" is from a word that basically means: rotten, i.e. worthless
(literally or morally) viz: inappropriate.

The foul and abusive category no doubt includes not only profanity, but also
biting sarcasm, thoughtless remarks, demeaning comments, chafing,
relentless fault-finding, sneering, ridicule, mean spirited rejoinders,
mockery, and unnecessary criticism.

FAQ: Why was it okay for Jesus and John the Baptist to sometimes speak to
people in an abusive manner?

REPLY: Special men of God-- e.g. prophets, priests, etc --operated under
orders differing from what's required of ordinary rank and file pew warmers.
(e.g. John 3:34, John 8:26, John 8:28, John 12:49, and John 14:24)
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1 John 2:3-5
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3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

So what are his commandments?
His commandments are such an amazing extremely holy agape godly everlasting looooooove that are the boundary lines of a deep intimate honorable glorious loving fun joyful enduring eternal relationship with Him. :love:(y)
 

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174» Eph 4:30 . . Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were
sealed for the day of redemption.

The Greek word translated "grieve" basically means: to distress; to make
sad; for example:

"The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the Earth, and that
every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. The Lord
was sorry that He had made man on the Earth, and He was grieved in His
heart." (Gen 6:5-6)

And:

"But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit; so He turned Himself against
them as an enemy, and He fought against them." (Isa 63:10)

So then, we can safely conclude that the Holy Spirit of God is especially
grieved when one's conduct is unbecoming, and when every intent of the
thoughts of one's heart are only secular and/or impious, i.e. evil continually.

The Greek word translated "redemption" basically means to ransom fully. In
short, those sealed with the Spirit have their salvation locked in; however, it
won't be finalized until they step into a new, immortal body; which is yet a
future event (Rom 8:23-25). So then; the "day of redemption" could be said
to be speaking of closure.
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175» Eph 4:31 . . Get rid of all bitterness, rage, anger, harsh words, and
slander, as well as all types of malicious behavior.

It wasn't The Lord's wish that Ephesian Christians avoid all bitterness, rage
and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice; no; on
the contrary, he wanted the Ephesians to "get rid" of them.

"bitterness" is from the Greek word pikria (pik-ree'-ah) which means: acrid,
poisonous, and/or toxic (literally or figuratively). Christians like that are
nothing in the world but deadly reptiles.

Rom 3:13b . .The poison of asps is under their lips

"rage" is from thumos (thoo-mos') which means: passion (as if breathing
hard). Passion is just the opposite of reason; and as everyone knows,
emotions are incoherent; so it's to be expected an emotional person is not
acting rationally. This is a kind of conduct that Paul says brings sorrow to
God's Spirit.

"anger" is from orge (or-gay') which means: desire (as a reaching forth or
excitement of the mind), i.e. (by analogy,) violent passion, ire, (by
implication: punishment)

People overcome by orge typically want some satisfaction; even to the point
of at least your ruin; if not your death.

"harsh words" is from krauge (krow-gay') which means: outcry.

Out-crying is what protestors do; in other words: assertive, in-your-face
confrontational complaints and/or demands.

"slander" is from blasphemia (blas-fay-me'-ah) which means: to vilify.
Webster's defines "vilify" as: (1) to lower in estimation or importance, and
(2) to utter slanderous and abusive statements against; viz: defame,
discredit, and/or denigrate.

A statement need not be false in order to qualify as slander; it need only to
be unnecessary; viz: you'll often hear people say: Well, I was only telling the
truth. Were they? No, that's a ruse. In reality, they're insensitive; and they
don't care who gets hurt by their thoughtless remarks.

The Lord notices the words people say, and he also takes note of the spirit in
which they say them.

Matt 12:36 . . But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day
of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.

"malicious behavior" is from kakia (kak-ee'-ah) which means: badness, i.e.
(subjectively) depravity, or (actively) malignity, or (passively) trouble:

Malice sometimes includes the element of "spite" which Webster's defines
as: petty ill will, or hatred, with the disposition to irritate, annoy, or thwart.
Compare that to the Greek word for "persecute" in the eighth Beatitude
which means, literally: to pursue; viz: to stalk, to hound, to harass.

Webster's defines "thwart" as: (1) to run counter to so as to effectively
oppose or baffle; viz: contravene, and (2) to oppose successfully; viz: to
defeat the hopes or aspirations of; in other words: to deliberately get in
someone's way; block, discourage.

Whew, that Ephesian church was as rough-hewn and crude as the old
logging community of Stump Town (now Portland) out here in the Oregon of
the 1800's. They cussed, they brawled, they bad-mouthed, they held
grudges, they were thieves, they were arrogant, they somehow had the idea
that Jews were below them, they were immodest, conceited, vain, and
impatient, they walked unworthy of their calling, and they were splintered
into cliques.

NOTE: I've heard more than one expositor praise the Ephesians as "the
church at its spiritual peak" but I thoroughly disagree. Yes, there were some
outstanding individuals, but by and large that congregation's spiritual
condition was decadent, deplorable, despicable, and unbecoming.

Paul began his letter to the Ephesians by saying that he made mention of
them in his prayers; asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the
glorious Father, might give them the Spirit of wisdom and revelation; and
also that the eyes of their heart might be enlightened. (Eph 1:17-19)

Well, it seems to me that kind of prayer isn't for advanced Christians, rather,
for Christians just starting out. From thence, Paul went on to explain some
of Christianity's most treasured doctrines, which I assume the Ephesians had
no knowledge of till Paul wrote to them.

I'll grant that the letter to the Ephesians is lofty, but I wion't grant that the
Ephesians themselves were lofty: not from how Paul lectured them.
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176» Eph 4:32 . . Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each
other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

Within the context of the letter Paul wrote and sent to the Christians residing
in the ancient city of Ephesus; the objects "one another" and "each other"
are exclusive; viz: the comments refer only to Christ's fraternity of Bible
believing Christians rather than the world at large. So if you're unwilling to
be kind and compassionate to outsiders; at least be so with people at church
so as to help prevent church from becoming a hostile worship environment.

The Greek word translated "kind" basically means employed; viz: useful.
It's found in only seven places in the New Testament, and without exception
implies being beneficial to others for their own good rather than using people
to benefit one's own self.

It used to be that Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts were trained to be useful to
others as just simply a matter of good deeds and good citizenship. I don't
know, maybe they still are; but I've known lots of churchians who were
totally useless to others because they're infected with an ugly spirit of
conceit, rivalry, and indifference. Far from being kind and compassionate;
those Christians are actually sociopathic and don't even know it.

The word for "compassionate" basically means sympathetic.

Webster's defines sympathy as: 1) an affinity, association, or relationship
between persons or things wherein whatever affects one similarly affects the
other, 2) inclination to think or feel alike: emotional or intellectual accord, 3)
feeling of loyalty: tendency to favor or support, 4) the act, or capacity, of
entering into or sharing the feelings or interests of another, 5) sensitivity,
and 6) heart; as in "have a heart".

The word translated "forgiving" basically means to grant as a favor; viz:
gratuitously, i.e. courtesy.

Webster's defines gratuitous as: 1) given unearned or without recompense,
2) not involving a return benefit or compensation or consideration, 3)
costing nothing: free, 4) not called for by the circumstances: unwarranted,
5) complimentary, 6) gratis, and 7) voluntary. In other words; charizomai
seeks no reciprocation; it never says "you owe me one"

Sailors are oft heard to say that the sea is very unforgiving: meaning it
allows no room for error or weakness. Christians ought not be like the sea.
We ought to be the most forgiving people on the planet; and not because we
expect others to reciprocate; but just because we enjoy being gratuitous.
For some Christians though, courtesy is an effort.

Eph 4:31-32 isn't easy. What we're looking at there is not just good
citizenship; no, what we're looking at is something divine in both its nature
and its behavior.
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His commandments are such an amazing extremely holy agape godly everlasting looooooove that are the boundary lines of a deep intimate honorable glorious loving fun joyful enduring eternal relationship with Him. :love:(y)
The commandments condemn us as sinners but in Jesus we are free from condemnation and He empowers us to keep the law.
 

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177» Eph 5:1 . . Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children

Webster's defines "imitate" as to follow as a pattern, model, or example, i.e.
copy.

The imitation mentioned herein is related to the previous exhortation to be
compassionate to one another and forgiving; which is a reflection of Matt
5:44-48.

* One's dad is probably the most important role model a kid can have, that
is, if he's a good man; otherwise, he'll just be another bad influence. It's
pretty kool when a kid can look at their dad and honestly say, from the
bottom of their heart: "Dad; when I grow up, I want to be just like you".
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178» Eph 5:2 . . Live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself
up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

There were times when Jesus came down on folks pretty hard, but basically
he was a benevolent guy: very helpful, very patient, and very
accommodating.

The kind of love spoken of in that passage is very easy to exemplify. It's
translated from the Greek word agape (ag-ah'-pay) which can be either
affection or benevolence; but more often it's just benevolence. (e.g. John
3:16 & Matt 5:45)

Benevolence is typically helpful rather than harmful; and consists of common
courtesy, kindness, generosity, charity, sympathy, pity, civility, deference,
lenience, tolerance, gentleness, etc; which were no doubt all effective in
compelling Christ to lend his life to rescue his fellow man from the terrible
event depicted by Rev 20:11-15.
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1 John 2:3-5
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3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

So what are his commandments?
The Ten Commandments along with the Beatitudes. If a person is a Christian, then read the Bible and it's all pretty clear.
 

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The commandments condemn us as sinners but in Jesus we are free from condemnation and He empowers us to keep the law.
No, we have no condemnation because Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law for us - The Lord our Righteousness.

Jesus Christ empowers us with the Holy Spirit to be His witnesses in the Earth.

We choose to be willing and obedient to Jesus Christ and the leading of the Holy Spirit the more and more we deny our flesh… and our love for God increases more and more.
 

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No, we have no condemnation because Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law for us - The Lord our Righteousness.

Jesus Christ empowers us with the Holy Spirit to be His witnesses in the Earth.

We choose to be willing and obedient to Jesus Christ and the leading of the Holy Spirit the more and more we deny our flesh… and our love for God increases more and more.
I agree the Lord is our righteousness!

I do disagree that Jesus fulfilled the law so we can worship other gods, vain His holy name, bow to idols, profane His holy Sabbath, covet, steal or break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19. Jesus died to pay the penalty of sin for us but lived to be our example to follow. He is the Way and led by example our example 1 John 2:6 Heb 4:15 1 Peter 21:22

We need to have faith in Jesus and have the faith of Jesus Rev 14:12 and His faith kept all the commandments John 15:10 and taught us to as well. John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 Mat 15:3-15 Mark 7:7-8. The just shall live by faith and by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4

If Christ is in us we would be keeping His commandments John 14:15-18. If we are hostile to God's law it really is not a good sign Rom 8:7-8 1 John 2:4, Mat 7:23 Rev 22:15 if we stumble and fall we have an Advocate in Jesus that when we confess, He is faithful to forgive us, but when He heals He says go and sin no more. Our salvation is form sin Mat 1:21 Sin is the transgression of God's law. 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7. Christ in us has more power to overcome our sin, that the devil has to keep us in sin. The law is only there to show us our sins Romans 7:7 Rom 3:20 and as a way to test ourselves are we in the faith. Its shows us God's standard of righteousness, so we are not depending on our own. Psa 119:172
 

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I agree the Lord is our righteousness!

I do disagree that Jesus fulfilled the law so we can worship other gods, vain His holy name, bow to idols, profane His holy Sabbath, covet, steal or break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19. Jesus died to pay the penalty of sin for us but lived to be our example to follow. He is the Way and led by example our example 1 John 2:6 Heb 4:15 1 Peter 21:22

We need to have faith in Jesus and have the faith of Jesus Rev 14:12 and His faith kept all the commandments John 15:10 and taught us to as well. John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 Mat 15:3-15 Mark 7:7-8. The just shall live by faith and by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4

If Christ is in us we would be keeping His commandments John 14:15-18. If we are hostile to God's law it really is not a good sign Rom 8:7-8 1 John 2:4, Mat 7:23 Rev 22:15 if we stumble and fall we have an Advocate in Jesus that when we confess, He is faithful to forgive us, but when He heals He says go and sin no more. Our salvation is form sin Mat 1:21 Sin is the transgression of God's law. 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7. Christ in us has more power to overcome our sin, that the devil has to keep us in sin. The law is only there to show us our sins Romans 7:7 Rom 3:20 and as a way to test ourselves are we in the faith. Its shows us God's standard of righteousness, so we are not depending on our own. Psa 119:172
NEVER did I say Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law for us so that we could worship other gods…blah blah blah :rolleyes:

What did I say….:unsure:

Lafftur said:

…We have no condemnation because Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law for us - The Lord our Righteousness.

Jesus Christ empowers us with the Holy Spirit to be His witnesses in the Earth.

We choose to be willing and obedient to Jesus Christ and the leading of the Holy Spirit the more and more we deny our flesh… and our love for God increases more and more.
 

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One's neighbor is not the same as one's brother; i.e. the former is an acquaintance, the latter is kin.
Did the good Samaritan know the man he found suffering by the side of the road? .:unsure:
 

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NEVER did I say Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law for us so that we could worship other gods…blah blah blah :rolleyes:

What did I say….:unsure:

Lafftur said:

…We have no condemnation because Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law for us - The Lord our Righteousness.

Jesus Christ empowers us with the Holy Spirit to be His witnesses in the Earth.

We choose to be willing and obedient to Jesus Christ and the leading of the Holy Spirit the more and more we deny our flesh… and our love for God increases more and more.
Sorry if I misunderstood you. :)

It seemed like you were making the case that we can break God's commandments but be living in Christ. Most who say Christ fulfilled the law as a way of saying He kept it so we don't have to and I am glad to hear that is not the argument you're making.

There is no condemnation if we are keeping God's commandments- living by the Spirit John 14:15-18 Romans 8:1-8 and not by the flesh, those who live in the flesh (sin) is an enmity against God's law Romans 8:4-8 and if Christ is in us, we would be keeping His commandments through love and faith. 1 John 5:3 Romans 3:31

Thanks for clarifying.