We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden

[Pilgrimshope]

if you can imagine ... a believer who has followed Christ -- out of all sin -- what they would say to others ... who they look at now with even better eyes (nothing in their eyes to block vision).

they would be trying to get people to wake up where they are lukewarm (walking in partial darknesses of mind and Spirit). they would be calling them to the actual Kingdom of God -- not to a belief about God (whichever one they believe in that isn't completely true I Cor. 13:12).

yeah I think they would probably approach sinners just like Jesus did honestly and welcome them close to hear his word of life and find mercy and forgiveness.

but I’ve never met anyone who’s sinless or perfect so I wouldn’t know , well I mean , I do know Jesus so he’s a great example for that situation and the only sinless man I’ve ever known or heard of.

he seemed to be tether gentle and humble and welcoming to sinners and seemed to always rebuke those judging them. But we all have our perceptions and must follow them.

there was a time we were all sinners deceived , but the way our will be the same always

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭

the answer for us is to acknolwedge the judge and his judgements sharing things like this that’s just truth that will turn us to him as we accept it

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s not our place to determine who has a relationship with him , is my only point Jesus can save people we sure can’t though but we can share the gospel.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

2Ti 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

yep agreed , send them to the gospel and tell them to believe and Jesus is able to do this to those who believe

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but as far as this thread my point to you was you are judging people you don’t know , and yet Seem To have some issues to work out yourself in regards to Jesus word.

but yeah lol I’ve said a few times it’s good to be against sin ,it’s not good to judge others and exalt yourself . I’m not seeing anyone claiming sin is good or anything. But anyways I was hoping you would have taken time to consider the first post there regarding Jesus teachings that was my only point

he is the judge and look at how he treated the self righteous and the sinners I think you’ll find he’s capable of saving sinners and leading them to righteousness but I’m not sure you or I are …..

 

[Obey-JESUS]

yep agreed , send them to the gospel and tell them to believe and Jesus is able to do this to those who believe

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but as far as this thread my point to you was you are judging people you don’t know , and yet Seem To have some issues to work out yourself in regards to Jesus word.

but yeah lol I’ve said a few times it’s good to be against sin ,it’s not good to judge others and exalt yourself . I’m not seeing anyone claiming sin is good or anything. But anyways I was hoping you would have taken time to consider the first post there regarding Jesus teachings that was my only point

he is the judge and look at how he treated the self righteous and the sinners I think you’ll find he’s capable of saving sinners and leading them to righteousness but I’m not sure you or I are …..

You want to call them sinners ...i want to call them traitors ...they are not atheists ...they know of CHRIST ...they just don't want to have anything to do with what He taught.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You want to call them sinners ...i want to call them traitors ...they are not atheists ...they know of CHRIST ...they just don't want to have anything to do with what He taught.

yeah I know I’ve seen how you are behaving in this thread I was surprised by it honestly you seemed spiritual before now it seems your confused about what Jesus taught. And also I’m not “ calling them “ sinners I’m saying we all are at some point.

Can you say you live and obey Jesus brother ? I mean the things he taught ?


That’s a simple question do you obey Jesus and his teachings ?

 

[Obey-JESUS]

yeah I know I’ve seen how you are behaving in this thread I was surprised by it honestly you seemed spiritual before now it seems your confused about what Jesus taught. And also I’m not “ calling them “ sinners I’m saying we all are at some point.

Can you say you live and obey Jesus brother ? I mean the things he taught ?


That’s a simple question do you obey Jesus and his teachings ?

You are stuck on the judgment thing. One, the beam isn't in my eye. Two, they are not Brothers. Do you want to start talking about "love" next like they always do? Biblical love is about a relationship with GOD. Do you want me to love their separation from GOD ...aka their repeated willful sin? You are playing defense for their wicked side.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You are stuck on the judgment thing. One, the beam isn't in my eye. Two, they are not Brothers. Do you want to start talking about "love" next like they always do? Biblical love is about a relationship with GOD. Do you want me love their separation from GOD ...aka their sin? You are playing defense for their wicked side.

what you do is up to you , your only judging your own self it doesn’t apply to anyone else

but are you claiming you obey the teachings of Christ ?

 

[Obey-JESUS]

what you do is up to you , your only judging your own self it doesn’t apply to anyone else

but are you claiming you obey the teachings of Christ ?

The yoke of sin slavery is not on me. The HOLY SPIRIT Grieves me when i do something wrong. All i do is Obey. i'm in a constant state of prayer in The HOLY SPIRIT.

 

[posthuman]

First let me say that God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

well from where i'm sitting, Paul very clearly calls the 10 commandments part of the law that believers are no longer under, and you are trying to finagle Romans 7 into not saying that by inserting some kind of weird private definition - even though the very next verse out of the one you want to lift out of the context completely rules out the interpretation you want me to agree to.

and both Christ and James say that anyone who breaks a single part of the law is guilty of the whole law, but you are trying to convince me that 80% of the law is irrelevant but the rest is still standing to condemn those who are no longer under it -- even though nowhere is any such thing written in scripture; ubiquitously "the law" refers to all the law - even all 5 books of Moses, and nowhere is it spoken of as 'this part of the law' outside of human tradition.

so i do agree that Paul is difficult to understand sometimes, and that men are often found trying to twist his words to their own destruction, but on this point, i don't see myself being the one who Peter is warning us about.

 

[Obey-JESUS]

but on this point, i don't see myself being the one who Peter is warning us about.

...no comment

 

[posthuman]

The yoke of sin slavery is not on me. The HOLY SPIRIT Grieves me when i do something wrong. All i do is Obey. i'm in a constant state of prayer in The HOLY SPIRIT.

i missed the part where you grieved for willfully & continually slanderously accusing the majority of the people who have been having a conversation with you . . ?

((scrolls up))

 

[posthuman]

...no comment

funny; it really has all the appearance of a comment.

 

[Obey-JESUS]

i missed the part where you grieved for willfully & continually slanderously accusing the majority of the people who have been having a conversation with you . . ?

((scrolls up))

So what is the worst thing that could happen if you stopped repeated willful sin? Would you tell yourself that you missed out on pleasure of the flesh? i already said this in the thread but, you want to sin now because you know we won't be able to in Heaven. it's wicked ...how can you not see this?

 

[posthuman]

Now verses 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.

please take note that Paul says "the law"

Paul does not say "the other law" or "the part of the law you're still under" or "the only part of the law that matters"

he says, "the law"

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Noah was alive at the time.

Yeah, so? According to the common interpretation by most theologians, God's covenant with Noah was the institution of government and common law, from there on mankind started to have national and tribal identities.

 

[posthuman]

So what is the worst thing that could happen if you stopped repeated willful sin? Would you tell yourself that you missed out on pleasure of the flesh? i already said this in the thread but, you want to sin now because you know we won't be able to in Heaven. it's wicked ...how can you not see this?

is that your apology?

 

[posthuman]

Yeah, so? According to the common interpretation by most theologians, God's covenant with Noah was the institution of government and common law, from there on mankind started to have national and tribal identities.

so there is a people of God.
the very 8 people God saved from worldwide judgement.
they are still around when Nimrod establishes Babylon in rebellion against God.

you had dismissed the idea that Babylon, under Nimrod, could have persecuted "God's people" as though "God's people" don't exist until Abraham. so i put, "Noah" for your consideration.
if you mean that you take "God's people" to be Israel, well Abraham isn't an Israelite. that's not until Jacob, Abraham's grandchild.


i wonder whether Noah was on Nimrod's good side or bad side?
and Noah's sons, they were still alive -- who sided with Nimrod? who sided against him?
how did Nimrod feel about his enemies?

on the other hand Egypt was a great friend to Abraham. Pharaoh treated him with great respect, and Abraham blessed him ((Genesis 47))
God calls Egypt "My people" in Isaiah 19

of course, He also calls Nebuchadnezzar & Cyrus His servants. so the line to be drawn here is indistinct

i only meant, consider whether Babylon is the first to rebel against God, rather than Egypt. it's nothing to be upset about - just making a case for my answer to this wonderful question

 

[Obey-JESUS]

is that your apology?

Remind me how your repeated willful sin isn't a work of the devil?

1 John 3:8
Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The yoke of sin slavery is not on me. The HOLY SPIRIT Grieves me when i do something wrong. All i do is Obey. i'm in a constant state of prayer in The HOLY SPIRIT.

“All i do is Obey.”

So this is a good description of your life constantly then it’s all you do in life ?
Remember this is just a short section of one sermon

“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.

Give to every man that asketh of thee;

and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be giveninto your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:27-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is how you live without fault your saying ? Again that’s just one example. Your telling me you can read this short sample and your convinced that’s all you do ?

have you ever noticed this ?

“And that servant, which knew his Lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.

For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required:
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:47-48‬ ‭

you can’t judge others because you don’t understand what’s they understand , the more one knows the more is required of them. Jidgement is according to what the person knows and jesus is the only one who understands that part for each person

what you know is meant for you to live up to not to judge others by it

Or have you considered that those who teach have a different jidgement than others because tbey are
Meant to know more ?

“Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.”
‭‭James‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭NIV‬‬

judgement is personal between the believer and Christ. Or this ? What is sin to me may not be sin to you because you may not know what I know ?

“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”
‭‭James‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭

it makes it impossible for us to judge each other or think that everyone is going to be judged by what we know , what we know is meant for us to judge our own self not others. They are only accountable for what they have learned from Christ not what anyone else has learned

but this has drained my spirit so I’m going to move on . You should consider this post and the first one that shows how Jesus treated sinners , and how he treated those who thought themselves righteous. It’s beneficial for a man who does nothing but obey

 

[posthuman]

Biblical love is about a relationship with GOD.

If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar;
for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen,
how can he love God whom he has not seen?
(1 John 4:20) ​

 

[posthuman]

Biblical love is about a relationship with GOD.

​

This is My commandment:​

that you love one another as I have loved you.​

(John 15:12)​