We get to heaven because we are Holy
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True. See below.
You are not suggesting they become holy as we are to be holy? They become separated off to God and fitted for His use by the removal of earthiness, but they do not in any way become morally holy.
They washed their hands and feet to remove earthiness.
For removal of earthiness, a physical thing..
It means that God is separate and that we must be separated to Him.
do you include you?
God had 'made holy' even the Corinthian believers. Were they in themselves totally clean? Perhaps you are missing the mark?
Ditto
If Heaven and Hell do not stand in the balance for you, it is by grace alone. It has nothing to do with what you are.
You are not suggesting they become holy as we are to be holy? They become separated off to God and fitted for His use by the removal of earthiness, but they do not in any way become morally holy.
They washed their hands and feet to remove earthiness.
For removal of earthiness, a physical thing..
It means that God is separate and that we must be separated to Him.
do you include you?
God had 'made holy' even the Corinthian believers. Were they in themselves totally clean? Perhaps you are missing the mark?
Ditto
If Heaven and Hell do not stand in the balance for you, it is by grace alone. It has nothing to do with what you are.
Interesting use of language. I sometimes get confused because Jesus talks
about the narrow path, of being yoked to Him, of Him being the way, of Him
being our example, of us following Him, of us being one with Him and doing
things in obedience to His will and the will of the Father.
So Jesus shows us the way, and is the way, and leads along the way, and helps
us walk the way, and in us is walking the way.
It is why I wonder when people us definative statements like no, that is wrong,
or this is the right way of saying this, or this is what is true and what you are saying
is rubbish, crap, evil etc. Invariably nothing is that clear cut, it is one aspect of
the truth, which needs to be balanced with other aspects.
But maybe the fruit of the Spirit is low on some peoples agenda and spiritual life.
God bless you all, may we help build each other up into His glorious Kingdom, Amen.
about the narrow path, of being yoked to Him, of Him being the way, of Him
being our example, of us following Him, of us being one with Him and doing
things in obedience to His will and the will of the Father.
So Jesus shows us the way, and is the way, and leads along the way, and helps
us walk the way, and in us is walking the way.
It is why I wonder when people us definative statements like no, that is wrong,
or this is the right way of saying this, or this is what is true and what you are saying
is rubbish, crap, evil etc. Invariably nothing is that clear cut, it is one aspect of
the truth, which needs to be balanced with other aspects.
But maybe the fruit of the Spirit is low on some peoples agenda and spiritual life.
God bless you all, may we help build each other up into His glorious Kingdom, Amen.
Originally Posted by PeterJens
Dear reader,
What does amaze me is how contributors try to refute the word of God, as if their
logic is greater than the Lord on High.
What does amaze me is how contributors try to refute the word of God, as if their
logic is greater than the Lord on High.
But they were not made righteous. Their 'cleansing' simply removed their earthiness., Is that all you want?
No it is to make them clean in some way.
The altar is separated to God, and all that touches it. Its earthiness is removed. There is no morality involved.
I believe Uzziah died through touching the holy Ark. How much more the man who touches God.
and I suggest does not accord with what you think.
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True. But making things holy is not the same as making them upright and righteous. It involves rather their separation to God,
If we let James complete his thought notice what he says...
(James' point is made; that one should always speak and act as someone who shall be judged by the royal law...James then explains his point...)
CONTEXT: The "works" are the things James just said in verse 12 above: to speak and do as someone who shall be judged by the royal law of liberty; what James calls the Perfect Law in James 1:25 ("But whoso studies the perfect law of liberty, and continues therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.") James continues...
What James said in this chapter wasn't a suspension of the royal law as if to say no one could keep it. No, he was calling believers to perform the works of it all the time as if they'll be judged by it; having love for EVERY neighbor not just certain ones you like or want to be religious around, in order to PERFECT one's faith.
Abraham believed God and it was imputed unto him for righteousness...How...by doing what God told him to do. In doing ALL of the work he was told to do, Abraham's faith was MADE PERFECT in obedience to God.
(James' point is made; that one should always speak and act as someone who shall be judged by the royal law...James then explains his point...)
CONTEXT: The "works" are the things James just said in verse 12 above: to speak and do as someone who shall be judged by the royal law of liberty; what James calls the Perfect Law in James 1:25 ("But whoso studies the perfect law of liberty, and continues therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.") James continues...
What James said in this chapter wasn't a suspension of the royal law as if to say no one could keep it. No, he was calling believers to perform the works of it all the time as if they'll be judged by it; having love for EVERY neighbor not just certain ones you like or want to be religious around, in order to PERFECT one's faith.
Abraham believed God and it was imputed unto him for righteousness...How...by doing what God told him to do. In doing ALL of the work he was told to do, Abraham's faith was MADE PERFECT in obedience to God.
Holiness - How are we cleansed of all unrighteousness?
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9
Any man or woman who wrongs another in any way and so is unfaithful to the Lord is guilty 7 and must confess the sin they have committed. They must make full restitution for the wrong they have done, add a fifth of the value to it and give it all to the person they have wronged.
Number 5:6-7
It appears based on the above verse God does expect us to confess the sin we
have committed and not some general repentance.
This for me makes another point. Sin is very blatent acts that we know about
and can be proven, not fleeting thoughts, or something said that could be taken
the wrong way etc.
What people often end up doing is devaluing repentance and confronting serious
failures and sins, but just leaving things general with a blanket forgiveness.
This is not repentance or getting right with God or taking seriously the consequences
of sin.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9
Any man or woman who wrongs another in any way and so is unfaithful to the Lord is guilty 7 and must confess the sin they have committed. They must make full restitution for the wrong they have done, add a fifth of the value to it and give it all to the person they have wronged.
Number 5:6-7
It appears based on the above verse God does expect us to confess the sin we
have committed and not some general repentance.
This for me makes another point. Sin is very blatent acts that we know about
and can be proven, not fleeting thoughts, or something said that could be taken
the wrong way etc.
What people often end up doing is devaluing repentance and confronting serious
failures and sins, but just leaving things general with a blanket forgiveness.
This is not repentance or getting right with God or taking seriously the consequences
of sin.
Great question. That's what studying the law does. It's very function is to "reveal sin", which everyone agrees is its sole purpose. It's purpose is fulfilled when we study it, that's why we are told to study to show ourselves approved of God. It can't save us at all...not at all...but we will then know our sins once revealed and be able to repent from them.
This is an interesting insight and I agree there is a lot of wisdom in this.
A transformed life is based on knowing how we behave an why.
A counter argument could be because the law is written on our hearts,
studying the law is not necessary to know what is sinful etc.
I have been blessed though beginning to understand the detail to which
God went in the law, which is mind blowing for a 1400 BC culture. There is
nothing like it anywhere in the world. If you want testimony to Gods revelation
at a time from bronze age man becomes iron age man this is unbelievable except
revealed by the living God.
A transformed life is based on knowing how we behave an why.
A counter argument could be because the law is written on our hearts,
studying the law is not necessary to know what is sinful etc.
I have been blessed though beginning to understand the detail to which
God went in the law, which is mind blowing for a 1400 BC culture. There is
nothing like it anywhere in the world. If you want testimony to Gods revelation
at a time from bronze age man becomes iron age man this is unbelievable except
revealed by the living God.