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not sure i would say 'no consequences'
but yes it is definitely an imperative statement, i.e. a command.



this thread's crazy. people are saying verbs are nouns, 1st person is third person, present tense is past tense, imperatives are casual observations. o_O
and i haven't even read a third of the thread yet!


Yep, this is one of those better hold onto your saddles kind of threads hahahaha
 
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Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind;
and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you.
(Philippians 3:15)
seems to me this passage indicates 'one-time-event' is definitely not always the case?
From the context it looks more like that those should be like-minded and not the mind of Christ that I'm thinking about. If to renew the mind is to be in him. Then that is a one time action. Unless you fall back into your flesh. Then I would think you would be walking by your flesh again. And then you could have all the sinning you want. Back in him again would be another one time action. I'm very good at this since I fell out a billion times.
 
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This is so wrong I hardly know where to begin. How did you enact that one time action? How did you once and for put on the mind of Christ?
It happened when I got real close to the Lord. That's when I found myself in a deep fellowship with him. It was a one time action and I never looked back. I do however, fall back into my flesh so often that I have become good at staying in a tight relationship with the Lord.
 
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I think renewing the mind for you means cleaning up your flesh. To me it's putting on the mind of Christ which is a one time action.
Salvation Is a one time action and then we will seek to purify Ourselves even as we are pure.
1 John 3:1-4
King James Version

1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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Romans 12:1-2
King James Version

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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GOD didn’t tell us to renew Our minds to prove ourselves to HIM Because HE looks at the heart and does not need to see any physical thing to know If the person Is being sincere but man looks at outward appearances and needs to see If what the person Is saying matches their actions.

HE told us to renew Our minds so that we can prove Ourselves to someone who might be looking at us or looking up to us as we represent GOD.

someone might ask how does a person renew their mind?

purify yourself even as you are pure In plainer words the person has become a new creation,GODs workmanship,the Spirit made Perfect and the person now will seek to be/look like the new creation they have become.
 
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Salvation Is a one time action and then we will seek to purify Ourselves even as we are pure.
1 John 3:1-4
King James Version

1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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Romans 12:1-2
King James Version

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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GOD didn’t tell us to renew Our minds to prove ourselves to HIM Because HE looks at the heart and does not need to see any physical thing to know If the person Is being sincere but man looks at outward appearances and needs to see If what the person Is saying matches their actions.

HE told us to renew Our minds so that we can prove Ourselves to someone who might be looking at us or looking up to us as we represent GOD.

someone might ask how does a person renew their mind?

purify yourself even as you are pure In plainer words the person has become a new creation,GODs workmanship,the Spirit made Perfect and the person now will seek to be/look like the new creation they have become.
Your working off your flesh. We are not on the same page.
 

posthuman

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From the context it looks more like that those should be like-minded and not the mind of Christ that I'm thinking about. If to renew the mind is to be in him. Then that is a one time action. Unless you fall back into your flesh. Then I would think you would be walking by your flesh again. And then you could have all the sinning you want. Back in him again would be another one time action. I'm very good at this since I fell out a billion times.
i'm not sure..

Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
(Philippians 3:12-16)
here it is with more context; it seems like he is saying he does not consider his renewal to be complete, he writes this, and that all who are mature should also think this way - that they can always be drawn closer to Christ, always be made more perfect, that they can continue always to grow in knowledge of God.

the fact that he says 'as man as are mature' implies there are those who are not mature, and the fact that he says 'to the degree we have already attained' indicates there is more to attain. saying that '
to this degree' let us be of the same mind, implies there are yet greater degrees of oneness of mind to press on towards -- and if that is the case is it not continual renewal of the mind? and by saying 'if you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you' he implies that there are those counted among the believers, the born again, the renewed of mind and spirit, who have also further renewal in their future. he says this with confidence -- God is faithful! -- but the confidence is in God, not in the present completion of the saints.

even in Hebrews where it says Christ has once and for all perfected, it says this of '
those who are being sanctified' -- there is a profound mix here of completed and ongoing action, pointing out the eternal timeless nature of our LORD and the glorious hope to which He calls us and the time-like process of our experience of Him; He creates time and is unbound by it, outside of it, and His works are from everlasting to everlasting, but He created us and placed us inside of time, within which we came to know Him and presently wait for Him.

so in His eternal mind we are complete and perfected, but in our earthly lives we experience time, and in it a process of growing in knowledge of Him and being sanctified, seeing His light grow brighter and brighter as the coming of dawn when '
the Daystar shall arise in our hearts'


i understand that His word to me is eternal and complete. but i also understand that i await Him now, and that i should not consider myself to have laid hold, but in humility before Him 'take the lowest seat' -- so i am wary of agreeing that the renewal of my mind is 'finished' tho in the eternal sense, as one who sees all of time simultaneously, it is, because what He begins He is sure to complete; His finished work is ongoing in me on earth even as in heaven it is declared and it is immutable. and i am saying this of my mind and my spirit -- not of my works. as long as the sun rises and sets and He leaves me on earth, i consider that He leaves me for a purpose: if and when the work He prepared for me was done, He would & will take me home.
 

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the mind of Christ is having a relationship with God
 

posthuman

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I'm still not sure how this system works. I reply by clicking on the reply in the same section of someone responding to me. And yet it seems to go to others as well who may be on that same thread.
Everyone can see every post and anyone can reply to any post. It is a group discussion.

When you specifically reply to someone they get an alert that says you quoted them. But anyone can see your replies and add a comment.

Quoting people is good because it lets everyone know just what you are talking about, and it gets the attention of the person you quote, so they know you have responded.
 
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i understand that His word to me is eternal and complete. but i also understand that i await Him now, and that i should not consider myself to have laid hold, but in humility before Him 'take the lowest seat' -- so i am wary of agreeing that the renewal of my mind is 'finished' tho in the eternal sense, as one who sees all of time simultaneously, it is, because what He begins He is sure to complete; His finished work is ongoing in me on earth even as in heaven it is declared and it is immutable. and i am saying this of my mind and my spirit -- not of my works. as long as the sun rises and sets and He leaves me on earth, i consider that He leaves me for a purpose: if and when the work He prepared for me was done, He would & will take me home.
In agreement ... we have many verses in Scripture which indicate that, while our fellowship with the Father is so precious and replete with magnificent heavenly blessings, there is much more that we can glimpse in Scripture (and look forward to). To me, this indicates there is limitation in this lifetime.

And while I believe God does not withhold any good thing from us and we receive all He can give to us at this point, there is so much more awaiting us once we shed our earthly tabernacle. And, so long as we are clothed with this tabernacle, He is at work within us to will and to do of His good pleasure. We still have things to do in this lifetime ... we live in the mission field ... share the gospel with all we meet ... minister to those in need ... always give praise to God, etc, etc.



 
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A very smart person on this site put it this way...

I thought it would be wise to mention Romans seven that seems to have the whole Christian world in confusion. There's really only one honest way to read Romans seven that deals with Paul talking about himself in the present tense when he wrote it. He writes it after he spends a chapter informing us about fifteen times that by joining with Christ we have died to sin through the spirit. He goes on to say his flesh still struggles, but that it's not him anymore because he's no longer living after the flesh. The reason there's no condemnation for us in Christ is because it's the flesh that has the sin, but the spirit does not, and it's the spirit that is our new man.

For an in-depth look at the resurrected Christ Jesus...
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That is correct. I'm not temped or drawn away in Christ. Perhaps we do not understand each other because you may be thinking Christ in you. I'm not talking about Christ in us but rather us in Christ.
 
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Everyone can see every post and anyone can reply to any post. It is a group discussion.

When you specifically reply to someone they get an alert that says you quoted them. But anyone can see your replies and add a comment.

Quoting people is good because it lets everyone know just what you are talking about, and it gets the attention of the person you quote, so they know you have responded.
How do I quote? All I know is the reply button.
 
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i'm not sure..

Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
(Philippians 3:12-16)
here it is with more context; it seems like he is saying he does not consider his renewal to be complete, he writes this, and that all who are mature should also think this way - that they can always be drawn closer to Christ, always be made more perfect, that they can continue always to grow in knowledge of God.

the fact that he says 'as man as are mature' implies there are those who are not mature, and the fact that he says 'to the degree we have already attained' indicates there is more to attain. saying that 'to this degree' let us be of the same mind, implies there are yet greater degrees of oneness of mind to press on towards -- and if that is the case is it not continual renewal of the mind? and by saying 'if you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you' he implies that there are those counted among the believers, the born again, the renewed of mind and spirit, who have also further renewal in their future. he says this with confidence -- God is faithful! -- but the confidence is in God, not in the present completion of the saints.

even in Hebrews where it says Christ has once and for all perfected, it says this of 'those who are being sanctified' -- there is a profound mix here of completed and ongoing action, pointing out the eternal timeless nature of our LORD and the glorious hope to which He calls us and the time-like process of our experience of Him; He creates time and is unbound by it, outside of it, and His works are from everlasting to everlasting, but He created us and placed us inside of time, within which we came to know Him and presently wait for Him.

so in His eternal mind we are complete and perfected, but in our earthly lives we experience time, and in it a process of growing in knowledge of Him and being sanctified, seeing His light grow brighter and brighter as the coming of dawn when 'the Daystar shall arise in our hearts'

i understand that His word to me is eternal and complete. but i also understand that i await Him now, and that i should not consider myself to have laid hold, but in humility before Him 'take the lowest seat' -- so i am wary of agreeing that the renewal of my mind is 'finished' tho in the eternal sense, as one who sees all of time simultaneously, it is, because what He begins He is sure to complete; His finished work is ongoing in me on earth even as in heaven it is declared and it is immutable. and i am saying this of my mind and my spirit -- not of my works. as long as the sun rises and sets and He leaves me on earth, i consider that He leaves me for a purpose: if and when the work He prepared for me was done, He would & will take me home.
You can have all of what you wrote above in Christ. In the new man. Why? Because in Christ or out of Christ leaves us still as only men. Humans. The problem I believe and I think it's huge is that Christians think it has to be done in their flesh. This idea that the spirit of Christ makes our flesh spiritual is believed by most because the churches teach that Christians still have a sin nature.

They believe their sins are forgiven when they are born again up to that point. Most of all of those same Christians believe they must run to God to confess and repent their new sins every time they sin after becoming a Christian. The belief is that you will either be lost, or on your way to hell, or at the very least God will not fellowship with you and He certainly will not answer your prayers if you are found with an unconfessed sin.

Such a concept would mean everybody would be on their way to hell because there is not a person on this earth who does not have either a known or an unknown unconfessed sin. Now if this new sin just means the loss of a relationship with God, which would include unanswered prayers. Then God would not have a single person on this earth qualified to receive an answer to prayer or to be able to fellowship with Him.
 

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That's what I'm talking about. I now understand being in Christ is being in the spirit and neither of them (in Christ or in the spirit) has anything to do with the darn flesh. It now seems perfectly clear to walk in the spirit is the same as putting on the Lord Jesus Christ.
I understand it as Adam giving us our fleshly nature, but Christ giving us our spiritual nature. One is based on manly things and the other is based on spiritual things.
 
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I understand it as Adam giving us our fleshly nature, but Christ giving us our spiritual nature. One is based on manly things and the other is based on spiritual things.
You are absolutely brilliant.