Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

[Blain]

My friend I would have to disagree with your view on water baptism here as while it is well put together map of why water baptism equals the resurrection there are no examples of such a thing in scripture in fact the only resurrection that ever happens is by that of the power of God and the holy spirit. Even in revelation with the first resurection they are raised from the dead but nowhere does it imply they were done so because they were baptized in water rather it was because they were in Christ and what marks someone as being in Christ? the seal of the holy spirit aka the baptism of the holy spirit

Lazerus was raised by Jesus not by water but by the power of the holy spirit, Jesus rose from the dead not by water but by the power of the holy spirirt and by God, every example in which the dead are resurrected have nothing to do with water baptism but everything to do with the holy spirit

What about me for instance? I have been sealed by the baptism of the holy spirit I have personally experienced the love of God to the point that it was to much for this fleshly body to handle yet i cannot say i was baptized by water because mine was only done to get people off my back it was not a true water baptism it was not done for the right reason therefore i cannot say i was baptized by water will i also not be resurrected even though i bear the seal of the spirit and have personally been branded by the love of God?

 

[Runningman]

My friend I would have to disagree with your view on water baptism here as while it is well put together map of why water baptism equals the resurrection there are no examples of such a thing in scripture in fact the only resurrection that ever happens is by that of the power of God and the holy spirit. Even in revelation with the first resurection they are raised from the dead but nowhere does it imply they were done so because they were baptized in water rather it was because they were in Christ and what marks someone as being in Christ? the seal of the holy spirit aka the baptism of the holy spirit

Lazerus was raised by Jesus not by water but by the power of the holy spirit, Jesus rose from the dead not by water but by the power of the holy spirirt and by God, every example in which the dead are resurrected have nothing to do with water baptism but everything to do with the holy spirit

What about me for instance? I have been sealed by the baptism of the holy spirit I have personally experienced the love of God to the point that it was to much for this fleshly body to handle yet i cannot say i was baptized by water because mine was only done to get people off my back it was not a true water baptism it was not done for the right reason therefore i cannot say i was baptized by water will i also not be resurrected even though i bear the seal of the spirit and have personally been branded by the love of God?

1 Peter 3:21
21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

This says water baptism is a figure, a kind of symbolic thing because Christ was literally resurrected. If Christ was literally resurrected then water baptism is an act of faith which the symbol will result in your resurrection. Now that you know that, check Romans 6.

Romans 6:4,5
4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

This says water baptism is the likeness of Christ’s death and resurrection. If we are water baptized then we will have the same resurrection Christ did. This isn’t symbolic or metaphorical, there is a literal resurrection coming. This is saying be water baptized to get into that resurrection.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
You've already been corrected about this verse. So why do you persist in your false claim?

Water baptism SYMBOLIZES the baptism (identification) that saves.

You think ...wrong again.

That's your opinion.

People can read...give them credit.

That is the very reason I keep correcting your errors. I KNOW that people can read. And when you post dishonestly and leave out the part of a verse that refutes your error, I will correct it. For the benefit of everyone who reads your posts.

You are not a dictator...yet.

Apparently you don't know what that means or is.

A dictator forces people to do what he wants them to do. Can you point to ANY time I've been able to make people do anything?

Of course not. So even your non biblical comments are in error.

 

[peldom10]

I like your story. And, I wish that more would share, causing me to wonder why we don't.
My Transformation story is intense, and . . . it is extensive. In short, after rescuing my "adoptive father" from being murdered by mutilation by a young man who had overtaken his life, while on the way home from Arizona to Washington state, I had a most Powerful experience with first the Terror of the Lord. This terror was beyond any worldly terror we might experience in this physical world. In short, it was going to kill me likely from heart attack or aneurysm . . . an internal explosion of some sort. I was driving down the freeway when this happened and after somehow managing to get off the freeway and parked . . . I realized that I needed to pray to God lest I die. You can imagine the sense of panic that I was in. I had a foot in hell and I knew for sure that I didn't want to go there. So I began calling out to God and sure enough, as slowly as the Terror of the Lord diminished, His Peace and Love increased as if both were controlled through some kind of dial or knob that someone was controlling. Again, I am making this extremely short. The Peace and Love of God finally became so incredible, so overpowering, that it too was about to kill more. No one can be in the presence of God and live. This Power was so strong that is not a a "curse").if I had felt more, my body would have been physically altered. And yes, this Power was nothing more or less than Peace and Love. It was incredible! I would have been just fine if my physical body had died at that moment, there was no complaint.

From that day forward, my life has not been the same. I have held no control over my life, for I was purchased by Christ right there in the middle of the Arizona desert. As hard as I have tried to control the events of my life . . . it has been impossible . . . and I have been utterly miserable as I have tried to live 100% dedicated to my Powerful, Almighty God.

Though I have been a part of the church my entire life, at age 48 when this happened, I thought I was a believer. But after feeling this Power, I realized that I was not. For there, in the Desert, my heart was Truly Circumcised by Christ. As I later learned by reading the Bible, I found out that Spiritual Circumcision is what Christ had done for me. Jesus separated the Adamic Curse from my heart so that I could be free to finally Believe, Submit, Obey, possess True Confidence and then finally Share the True Gospel. I realized that I never knew what the Gospel was. And so my life began to change more, and more, and more. I was always ashamed of holding my hands up in the air to God, or to be on my knees, but after this, it became a regular experience. I finally obtained genuine "Fear of the Lord," a remarkable sense of reverence for a God who I found out was allowing me to even breathe.

That's the short version of my Transformation, and again, I wish that more would testify of their Transformation story. And True Transformations come from being relieved of the Curse of the Lord. So much more could be said.

A question for you...

Christ says ... if you will not acknowledge My Father before man......I will not acknowledge you before My Father.

Alone in the desert does not acknowledge our Father before man...how did you later follow thru and acknowledge our Father?

Further....since you do not believe the Father in His word requiring baptism...how did you acknowledge Christ?

Many are .."ashamed"......to worship our Savior....that is overcome by 100% conviction in the heart....do you possess such conviction?
God knows what is in our heart...remember that.

If so tell us how you have displayed your conviction to mankind in person..... since you were alone in the desert and .......alone behind the computer here.

(A commandment from God and a warning......is not a ..."curse").

 

[Blain]

1 Peter 3:21
21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

This says water baptism is a figure, a kind of symbolic thing because Christ was literally resurrected. If Christ was literally resurrected then water baptism is an act of faith which the symbol will result in your resurrection. Now that you know that, check Romans 6.

Romans 6:4,5
4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

This says water baptism is the likeness of Christ’s death and resurrection. If we are water baptized then we will have the same resurrection Christ did. This isn’t symbolic or metaphorical, there is a literal resurrection coming. This is saying be water baptized to get into that resurrection.

Yes it mentions baptism but doesn't mention whether it is refering to spirit or water as there are two baptisms both of which are spoken of and tuaght within the church in scripture, if water baptism is symbolic and doesn't save then how can it be the thing that makes one resurrected? but if spirit baptism is what makes one saved and if it is what gives one the power to raise the dead then how is it that water a mere h2o non spirirtual thing that is symbolic in nature only having no power to do anything not even save a person can make one be resurrected when the power to raise the dead the power to make one saved the power to create life itself is in the spirirt not water?

The issue with the verse your using is that it can only work if one assumes it is speaking of water baptism has something more than mere symolism to it giving it more power than it actually has when it is the power of God and the holy spirit alone that raises the dead and makes one resurrected nothing else. those sealed in Christ bear his mark by his spirit they are branded with his holy fire inside their hearts so that even in death though their bodies have decayed their spirits still brun and praise God even in death because his spirirt is alive in them water cannot do this

 

[peldom10]

Yes it mentions baptism but doesn't mention whether it is refering to spirit or water as there are two baptisms both of which are spoken of and tuaght within the church in scripture, if water baptism is symbolic and doesn't save then how can it be the thing that makes one resurrected? but if spirit baptism is what makes one saved and if it is what gives one the power to raise the dead then how is it that water a mere h2o non spirirtual thing that is symbolic in nature only having no power to do anything not even save a person can make one be resurrected when the power to raise the dead the power to make one saved the power to create life itself is in the spirirt not water?

The issue with the verse your using is that it can only work if one assumes it is speaking of water baptism has something more than mere symolism to it giving it more power than it actually has when it is the power of God and the holy spirit alone that raises the dead and makes one resurrected nothing else. those sealed in Christ bear his mark by his spirit they are branded with his holy fire inside their hearts so that even in death though their bodies have decayed their spirits still brun and praise God even in death because his spirirt is alive in them water cannot do this

wrong...just wrong;

Baptism is Required


Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).

 

[Blain]

wrong...just wrong;

Baptism is Required


Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).

You know i was baptized as a young kid i thought i was going to be saved because that was what i was taught yet growing up i had no connection to God i stole all the time i did whatever i wanted whenever i wanted and honestly didn't care about God at all i figured if iw as saved then i am fine and di what i pleased. this was my first baptism it didn't save me, later in life much later i was alone in my room longing to know what it felt like to be loved depserate for it and saw my life as garbage i honestly felt dead inside and wanted to die i saw no reason to keep going and in my tears cried out to him begging him to come into my heart that next morning i was woken up filled with this fire and life inside me burnning inside me and all around me surging and pouring through me i instantly had the connection i never had before. later in my faith i was being nagged by someeone ina church i was visisitng to be baptized because that was the only way i could keep my salvation i finally got fed up with it and got baptized again but once again nothing just water and nothing else.

Now you can say say water saves you can even use scripture to try to prove it but i know personally it doesn't and that only the power of God and the holy spirirt saves, what can water do that God cannot?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

You know i was baptized as a young kid i thought i was going to be saved because that was what i was taught yet growing up i had no connection to God i stole all the time i did whatever i wanted whenever i wanted and honestly didn't care about God at all i figured if iw as saved then i am fine and di what i pleased. this was my first baptism it didn't save me, later in life much later i was alone in my room longing to know what it felt like to be loved depserate for it and saw my life as garbage i honestly felt dead inside and wanted to die i saw no reason to keep going and in my tears cried out to him begging him to come into my heart that next morning i was woken up filled with this fire and life inside me burnning inside me and all around me surging and pouring through me i instantly had the connection i never had before. later in my faith i was being nagged by someeone ina church i was visisitng to be baptized because that was the only way i could keep my salvation i finally got fed up with it and got baptized again but once again nothing just water and nothing else.

Now you can say say water saves you can even use scripture to try to prove it but i know personally it doesn't and that only the power of God and the holy spirirt saves, what can water do that God cannot?

Your experience is my experience. After my water baptism I just kept getting worse, and worse, and worse. Yet the Bible clearly says that those who have received the mind of Christ, they will reflect the glory of God more and more and more. What then, shall we say about water baptism? I was a completely depraved human being until the Lord found and chose me in the middle of the Arizona desert oh, consuming Me by his All indwelling Holy Spirit.

 

[FreeGrace2]

wrong...just wrong;

Baptism is Required
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

You really need to quit being so dishonest when you quote ONLY A PART OF 1 Pet 3:21. The baptism that saves is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which involves NO WATER at all. John the baptizer made that very clear in Mark 1:8.

You've been corrected numerous times. Are you just stubborn or something?

If you can't discern between water and Holy Spirit baptism, you need to study up before posting anything about baptism.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Not true. The order is unimportant. I was baptised in water about 2 years before I was baptised in the Holy Spirit. I knew about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. It took me a couple of years to decide that it really was of God and that it was for me. I can assure you that I'm not the only person. I know people who were raised in Baptist circles who resisted for decades until God opened their eyes.

Then the first water baptism was pointless. You still resisted the Holy Spirit.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

You really need to quit being so dishonest when you quote ONLY A PART OF 1 Pet 3:21. The baptism that saves is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which involves NO WATER at all. John the baptizer made that very clear in Mark 1:8.

And . . . and . . . if water Baptism is what saves a person, then Paul really blew it by not Baptizing people. And worse, he was "thankful" that he didn't do it. How can that be if water saves? If water saves, then Baptism is for the corrupt and unsaved. Therefore, poor behavior is the prime indicator for who should receive water Baptism. Yet, Paul was repulsed by people enough so as to say:

1 Corinthians 1:14 NLT - "I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius . . ."

Paul clearly states that he was thankful that he only baptized a handful of people into water so as to deflect any kind of worship that the Corinthians were attempting to place onto Paul, Peter, etc, and others like him. This is an odd thing to say if baptism is Holy and Life-Changing. More than this, Paul clearly states that God did not send him (to them) to baptize, but to preach the Good News (including the Work of Christ).

 

[Runningman]

You know i was baptized as a young kid i thought i was going to be saved because that was what i was taught yet growing up i had no connection to God i stole all the time i did whatever i wanted whenever i wanted and honestly didn't care about God at all i figured if iw as saved then i am fine and di what i pleased. this was my first baptism it didn't save me, later in life much later i was alone in my room longing to know what it felt like to be loved depserate for it and saw my life as garbage i honestly felt dead inside and wanted to die i saw no reason to keep going and in my tears cried out to him begging him to come into my heart that next morning i was woken up filled with this fire and life inside me burnning inside me and all around me surging and pouring through me i instantly had the connection i never had before. later in my faith i was being nagged by someeone ina church i was visisitng to be baptized because that was the only way i could keep my salvation i finally got fed up with it and got baptized again but once again nothing just water and nothing else.

Now you can say say water saves you can even use scripture to try to prove it but i know personally it doesn't and that only the power of God and the holy spirirt saves, what can water do that God cannot?

That's because water baptism is just for being resurrected as numerous verses say. Resurrection is an entirely different thing than the salvation of the soul, which comes exclusively through faith in Christ. People never are perfect, they just reach a point where they are walking in God's grace and that isn't hard at all. To access God's grace just have faith in Christ and don't give up trying to not sin. When we give in to sin and obey it without trying anymore, living a lifestyle of sin, is when we fall from grace and begin receiving judgements.

Romans 5:1,2 KJV
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

1 John 3:4-10 KJV
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

That's because water baptism is just for being resurrected as numerous verses say. Resurrection is an entirely different thing than the salvation of the soul, which comes exclusively through faith in Christ. People never are perfect, they just reach a point where they are walking in God's grace and that isn't hard at all. To access God's grace just have faith in Christ and don't give up trying to not sin. When we give in to sin and obey it without trying anymore, living a lifestyle of sin, is when we fall from grace and begin receiving judgements.

1 John 3:4-10 KJV
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Walking in God's Grace isn't hard at all? Actually, Exodus 33:19 tells us what race is. It is circumcision of heart. And circumcision of heart is not a work of man, but it is a work of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[Runningman]

Walking in God's Grace isn't hard at all? Actually, Exodus 33:19 tells us what race is. It is circumcision of heart. And circumcision of heart is not a work of man, but it is a work of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

It's very easy to walk in God's grace. I guess we have different perspectives on this matter.

Maathew 11:28-30 KJV
28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

It's very easy to walk in God's grace. I guess we have different perspectives on this matter.

Maathew 11:28-30 KJV
28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

And how are we giving rest? It is through the spiritual circumcision of Jesus Christ. Until a person is relieved of the adamic curse, there can be no rest. Why? Because without the circumcision of Christ, a person maintains the mind of the devil. But through the circumcision of Christ, a person receives the mind of Christ.

 

[Runningman]

And how are we giving rest? It is through the spiritual circumcision of Jesus Christ. Until a person is relieved of the adamic curse, there can be no rest. Why? Because without the circumcision of Christ, a person maintains the mind of the devil. But through the circumcision of Christ, a person receives the mind of Christ.

They're given rest because now they just need to do their best rather than adhere to a strict and inflexible law with harsh penalties for single points of failure whether innocent or intentional. I think God's grace is a different thing than the circumcision of Christ, which is indeed a heart operation performed by God, not by us. We must consciously and deliberately chose to not sin. I don't want to sin and I avoid it, but if I wanted to I could sin the rest of the day. I surely know how, but don't we all?. Sin is always a choice.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

They're given rest because now they just need to do their best rather than adhere to a strict and inflexible law with harsh penalties for single points of failure whether innocent or intentional. I think God's grace is a different thing than the circumcision of Christ, which is indeed a heart operation performed by God, not by us. We must consciously and deliberately chose to not sin. I don't want to sin and I avoid it, but if I wanted to I could sin the rest of the day. I surely know how, but don't we all?. Sin is always a choice.

Okie doke.

 

[FreeGrace2]

That's because water baptism is just for being resurrected as numerous verses say.

None say this. You've only shown 1 so far, but even it doesn't say what you want it to say.

Resurrection is an entirely different thing than the salvation of the soul

Why don't you believe 1 Cor 15:23? It says "when He comes", a reference to the Second Advent, that "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected.

What it doesn't say is "those who have been baptized in His name" will be resurrected.

So, all believers (regardless of whether baptized or not) will be resurrected when He comes back.

 

[Runningman]

None say this. You've only shown 1 so far, but even it doesn't say what you want it to say.


Why don't you believe 1 Cor 15:23? It says "when He comes", a reference to the Second Advent, that "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected.

What it doesn't say is "those who have been baptized in His name" will be resurrected.

So, all believers (regardless of whether baptized or not) will be resurrected when He comes back.

You still don't understand it and that's okay I will show you some verses that hopefully clear up how to belong to Christ. 1 Peter 3:21 says that water baptism isn't so much about the water, but about faith. Keep this in mind.

Being Christ's means believing and being baptized into Christ:
Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

We belong to Christ by believing and baptism, then our bodies will be resurrected:
Romans 8:9-11 KJV
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Now look back to your 1 Corinthians 15:23 about belonging to Christ:
1 Corinthians 15:23 KJV
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Maybe you've noticed by now, belonging to Christ is tied closely to the resurrection and is often mentioned within close proximity of belonging to God and as other verses state that involves baptism too:
Romans 14:8-9 KJV
8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

 

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You still don't understand it and that's okay I will show you some verses that hopefully clear up how to belong to Christ. 1 Peter 3:21 says that water baptism isn't so much about the water, but about faith. Keep this in mind.

Being Christ's means believing and being baptized into Christ:
Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

We belong to Christ by believing and baptism, then our bodies will be resurrected:
Romans 8:9-11 KJV
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Now look back to your 1 Corinthians 15:23 about belonging to Christ:
1 Corinthians 15:23 KJV
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Maybe you've noticed by now, belonging to Christ is tied closely to the resurrection and is often mentioned within close proximity of belonging to God and as other verses state that involves baptism too:
Romans 14:8-9 KJV
8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Now, hammering the point home, why do you think Paul asked the questions in 1 Corinthians 15:29?

1 Corinthians 15:29 KJV
29Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

This is certainly a reference to water baptism since humans can only do water baptisms. The answers to these questions are rhetorical. People get water baptized so they will be resurrected. I firmly believe this is what the early church believed in.