water baptism in Jesus' Name.

WayneKCobb · Jun 16, 2023

Precious friend Wayne , when I was a babe in Christ, I went to visit relatives to share
The Good News, and was introduced to a "salvation-by-water-baptism" preacher
(although I didn't know 'that' at the time), and he showed me these Scriptures, and,
I thought "well, they sounded good," and then, he 'pushed' me to do it immediately,
but I said I would wait until the next Sunday service. (I thought, at the time) I "was
so glad to be on the winning team."

However, years later, after maturing a little, (left 'reformed' because of 'infant'
baptism), I next "studied by mail," (same group different city), gave him my
( denominational ) "beautiful symbolic" interpretation of water, and then was asked:

"How come you baptists believe in TWO baptismS when God Says There Is Only ONE?"

Of course (more maturity needed?), I could not answer 'that' great question - just
kept on humbly studying Scripture, in order to find out.

Did God Honor that? I think so, because He Led me To His:

ONE Baptism

Needless to say, Confusion missing, and no longer a baptist with TWO baptisms
( 33 years later, still in God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided ). Amen.

Precious friend, thanks for listening...

Dear Grace,

For a long time, I believe in two baptisms and could not understand Ephesians 4:5, Then I decided to try to figure it out, the following PDF is a result of the study. I pray that this will be a blessing to you, too.

Wayne

WayneKCobb · Jun 16, 2023

WayneKCobb said:

Dear Grace,

For a long time, I believe in two baptisms and could not understand Ephesians 4:5, Then I decided to try to figure it out, the following PDF is a result of the study. I pray that this will be a blessing to you, too.

Wayne

WayneKCobb · Jun 16, 2023

DJT_47 said:

It is very interesting! Those who do not believe one must be baptized for the forgiveness of their sins and to receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit, have to lead a person to that conclusion.

So many times, when a person has asked me what he needs to do to become a Christian, I point him to the history book of the New Testament and ask him (her) to read it. I have been leading people to Christ since back in 1971. ALWAYS, they come back and say, 'When can I be baptized".

God bless you DJT! It is nice to find others who follow the pattern given in the scriptures.

Wayne Cobb

Lamar · Jun 17, 2023

mailmandan said:

Your so caled to you in post #1,230. Periled clear meaning of Acts 22:16 is not in harmony with salvation through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications" as I already thoroughly explainod.Your so called clear meaning of Acts 22:16 is not in harmony with salvation through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications" (Acts 15:7-9; Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; 1 Corinthians 1:18-21; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

Your so called clear meaning of Acts 22:16 is not in harmony with salvation through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications"

I often hear water-salvationists make your same argument about grammar in regards to their pet verse, Acts 2:38. Let's see what Greek grammarian scholars think about it.

Greek scholarWater baptism is not a cause of salvation comments on Acts 2:38 - he shows how the grammar of this verse can be used to support more than one interpretation of this text. He then reaches this conclusion: "One will decide the use here according as he believes that baptism is essential to the remission of sins or not. My view is decidedly against the idea that Peter, Paul, or any one in the New Testament taught baptism as essential to the remission of sins or the means of securing such remission. So I understand Peter to be urging baptism on each of them who had already turned (repented) and for it to be done in the name of Jesus Christ on the basis of the forgiveness of sins which they had already received."

Elsewhere, AT Robertson said - Change of number from plural to singular and of person from second to third. This change marks a break in the thought here that the English translation does not preserve.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/robertsons-word-pictures/acts/acts-2-38.html

Greek scholar E Calvin Beisner said something similar - In short, the most precise English translation of the relevant clauses, arranging them to reflect the switches in person and number of the verbs, would be, “You (plural) repent for the forgiveness of your (plural) sins, and let each one (singular) of you be baptized (singular)….” Or, to adopt our Southern dialect again, “Y’all repent for the forgiveness of y’all’s sins, and let each one of you be baptized….”

When I showed this translation to the late Julius Mantey, one of the foremost Greek grammarians of the twentieth century and co-author of A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament (originally published in 1927), he approved and even signed his name next to it in the margin of my Greek New Testament. These arguments, lexical and grammatical, stand independently. Even if one rejects both lexical meanings of for, he still must face the grammatical argument, and even if he rejects the grammatical conclusion, he still must face the lexical argument. Does Acts 2:38 prove baptismal remission? No, it doesn’t even support it as part of a cumulative case. — E. Calvin Beisner

http://www.equip.org/PDF/JAA238.pdf

Greek scholar Daniel Wallace explains in Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics: It is possible that to a first-century Jewish audience (as well as to Peter), the idea of baptism might incorporate both the spiritual reality and the physical symbol (although only the reality remits sins). In other words, when one spoke of baptism, he usually meant both ideas—the reality and the ritual. Peter is shown to make the strong connection between these two in chapters 10 and 11. In 11:15-16 he recounts the conversion of Cornelius and friends, pointing out that at the point of their conversion they were baptized by the Holy Spirit. After he had seen this, he declared, “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit…” (10:47). The point seems to be that if they have had the internal testimony of the Holy Spirit via spiritual baptism, there ought to be a public testimony/acknowledgment via water baptism as well. This may not only explain Acts 2:38 (that Peter spoke of both reality and picture, though only the reality removes sins), but also why the NT speaks of only baptized believers (as far as we can tell): Water baptism is not a cause of salvation, but a picture; and as such it serves both as a public acknowledgment (by those present) and a public confession (by the convert) that one has been Spirit baptized.

https://christiandefense.org/general/3871/

Agreed.
Acts 22:16 is NOT in harmony with your "salvation through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications".
Acts 22:16 is in harmony with the rest of scripture.

Wallace, Beisner and Robertson
If anyone looks hard enough they will find someone to "tickle their ears". This is what you are doing with these "experts". They are but calvinists pushing reform theology. I can present men who would tickle the other way but I will not go down that rabbit hole with you.

Water baptism is not a cause of salvation
Agreed.
There is a point in time that all believers are forgiven of their sins. Water baptism is that point in time, nothing more and nothing less.
There are no bibles today, yesterday or even in a foreign language that suggest Acts 2:38 means anything other than water baptism being that point in time for the forgiveness of sins.

Just as gazing upon the bronze serpent was the moment of healing, so too is water baptism.
Just as the passing of Peter's shadow was the moment of healing , so too is water baptism.
Just as dipping seven times in the correct river was the moment for Naaman, so too is water baptism.
Just as fleeing to the correct brook was the protection of Elijah, so too is water baptism.
Etc. etc. etc.
These acts are not works of merit but points in time. This is the flow and form of the Bible.

GRACE_ambassador · Jun 17, 2023

mailmandan said:

Lamar said:

Actually, Precious friends, it is in harmony with This One Of God's Two
Different Contexts:

Humble Christ, on the earth, To Israel, 12 apostles, Under The Law/covenants
/Prophecy:

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish
(Luk 13:3,5 Mar 1:4 Luk_3:3, 24:47}
+
2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)
+
3) be baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4 Luk 3:3, 7:29:30, 24:47;
Act 2:38)
+
4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,
+
5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"
(Jam 1:1, 2:17,26)
+
6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17)
+
7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"
(Mar 10:17-23)

8) Hebrews belongs here: "faith PLUS works!":

Yes, In Harmony with:

earthly prophecy/LAW/covenants ( Previous / Future dispensations of God... )
and M-u-s-t B-e:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

God's Other Context with Only ONE Baptism:

Glorified Christ, From Heaven, To ONE apostle and His 'ONE Body,' Under Grace /
Mystery ( Current Dispensation of God ):

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!"):

"Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, ↑ repentance toward God,
and ↓ faith toward our LORD Jesus Christ." (Acts 20:21)

2) believe (with ALL the heart, trust, place 100% faith in) The Gospel Of The
Grace Of God:

"For I delivered unto you first of all That Which I also received, how
That Christ Died for our sins According To The Scriptures; And That
He Was Buried, and that He Rose Again the third day According To
The Scriptures" (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

3) "By Grace Are ye Saved Through faith..." Apart from All works!!:

Plus Nothing!:

"...and That not of yourselves: It Is The Gift Of God: Not
of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Plus Nothing, Confirmed!:

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, But According
To His Mercy He Saved us, By The Washing of Regeneration, and
Renewing of The Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5)

Plus Nothing, Further Confirmed!:

"Who Hath Saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according
to our works, but According To His Own Purpose And Grace, Which Was
Given us In Christ Jesus before the world began" (2 Timothy 1:9)
+
12-Dozen Plain and Clear Passages, For the Body Of Christ, Under Grace:

God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ!

God's Eternal Assurance!

God's Eternal Life Insurance!

All studies are in Accordance with these Bible study rules!

Amen.

Magenta · Jun 17, 2023

Lamar said:

Acts 10:43~ All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.

Lamar · Jun 17, 2023

GRACE_ambassador said:

Actually, Precious friends, it is in harmony with This One Of God's Two
Different Contexts:

Humble Christ, on the earth, To Israel, 12 apostles, Under The Law/covenants
/Prophecy:

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish
(Luk 13:3,5 Mar 1:4 Luk_3:3, 24:47}
+
2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)
+
3) be baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4 Luk 3:3, 7:29:30, 24:47;
Act 2:38)
+
4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,
+
5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"
(Jam 1:1, 2:17,26)
+
6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17)
+
7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"
(Mar 10:17-23)

8) Hebrews belongs here: "faith PLUS works!":

Yes, In Harmony with:

earthly prophecy/LAW/covenants ( Previous / Future dispensations of God... )
and M-u-s-t B-e:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

God's Other Context with Only ONE Baptism:

Glorified Christ, From Heaven, To ONE apostle and His 'ONE Body,' Under Grace /
Mystery ( Current Dispensation of God ):

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!"):

"Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, ↑ repentance toward God,
and ↓ faith toward our LORD Jesus Christ." (Acts 20:21)

2) believe (with ALL the heart, trust, place 100% faith in) The Gospel Of The
Grace Of God:

"For I delivered unto you first of all That Which I also received, how
That Christ Died for our sins According To The Scriptures; And That
He Was Buried, and that He Rose Again the third day According To
The Scriptures" (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

3) "By Grace Are ye Saved Through faith..." Apart from All works!!:

Plus Nothing!:

"...and That not of yourselves: It Is The Gift Of God: Not
of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Plus Nothing, Confirmed!:

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, But According
To His Mercy He Saved us, By The Washing of Regeneration, and
Renewing of The Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5)

Plus Nothing, Further Confirmed!:

"Who Hath Saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according
to our works, but According To His Own Purpose And Grace, Which Was
Given us In Christ Jesus before the world began" (2 Timothy 1:9)
+
12-Dozen Plain and Clear Passages, For the Body Of Christ, Under Grace:

God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ!

God's Eternal Assurance!

God's Eternal Life Insurance!

All studies are in Accordance with these Bible study rules!

Amen.

Actually, Precious friends, it is in harmony with This One Of God's Two
Different Contexts:

I would truly like to response to your comment but please explain the "it" in your above sentence.
What does "it" refer to? Why begin your comment with a pronoun?

Lamar · Jun 18, 2023

Magenta said:

All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” Acts 10:43

The term "through His name" is written as an indefinite article. You cannot use this verse to negate the definite article "for the remission of sins" in Acts 2:38.

Both verses are in harmony with the other.

There is no need to pit one against the other.

WayneKCobb · Jun 18, 2023

Lamar said:

Those folks that do not believe that baptism has no part in our salvation would never just ask a person to read through the book of Acts. Why, because in the 50 years or so since I became a Christian, I never had one person who wanted to become a Christian and that read the book of Acts with the nine conversion stories in Acts, come back and say, "I trusted in the Lord and gained salvation" or say anything like that. ALWAYS, the come back and ask to be baptized.

Why not let the person find out for themselves what the Bible says when they want to become a Christian instead of leading them astray, indoctrinating them with the scriptures they choose?

God bless,
Wayne

mailmandan · Jun 18, 2023

Magenta said:

Amen Magenta! Water baptism "follows" the conversion account of these Gentiles in Acts 10:43-47, as I already explained multiple times in this thread. Again, these Gentiles had already believed in Him, received remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit BEFORE receiving water baptism. The evidence is overwhelming that these Gentles believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit, spoke in tongues (which is a spiritual gift that is ONLY for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were saved BEFORE water baptism. Certain Jews may have wanted to forbid these Gentiles from being baptized because of their unacceptance of the Gentiles, but Peter clearly states that SURELY NO ONE CAN REFUSE. These Gentiles were clearly SAVED BEFORE WATER BAPTISM and the Holy Spirit was proof of this. (Romans 8:9; 1 John 4:13) Of course, water-salvationists simply ignore this.

As I also previously explained, the phrase, “in Jesus' name,” is not a reference to a salvation baptismal formula but a reference to authority. Therefore, these water-salvationists are simply in error by demanding that baptism be done using the specific words, "In Jesus name" as a "salvation formula." Instead, it should be done as Jesus commanded: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” (Matthew 28:19). The proper way to baptize in Jesus’ name (by the authority of Jesus) is to say, “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”

These water-salvationists choose to reject the words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19 and prefer to pit scripture against scripture, as long as it accommodates their perverted water gospel. They won't even listen to Christian Greek scholars on the subject. These folks would walk around mountains of grace in order to find water and their minds are waterlogged.

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

GRACE_ambassador · Jun 18, 2023

Lamar said:

I am very sorry - I apologize for the misreading/misunderstanding, as I thought
'these lead-in comments' were the same "subject" of 'it'?:

mailmandan said:

+

Lamar said:

Is this better?

"Acts 22:16 is in Complete Harmony with only ONE Of God's Two Different Contexts"?:

# 1265

With the Help Of The LORD Jesus' Blessed Holy Spirit and Bible study rules!,
I shall strive to do better...

Amen?

KJVMan · Jun 18, 2023

heartwashed said:

This is the truth, right here, from this conversationstarter. Can anybody tell me why this man were banned, and why someone on this forum thinks that there is no need for baptism?

GRACE_ambassador · Jun 18, 2023

KJVMan said:

I believe sometimes when one decides to leave by 'deleting' their account, then the
status would post as 'banned' but I could be mistaken?

I will be glad to discuss water baptism with you - why do you say "it is necessary"
today, under Grace?

Lamar · Jun 18, 2023

GRACE_ambassador said:

why do you say "it is necessary"
Because without the remission of sins we are not "under Grace".

Would you not agree?

Lamar · Jun 19, 2023

mailmandan said:

"Water baptism "follows" the conversion account of these Gentiles in Acts 10:43-47"

If your above statement is true then the scriptures are not in harmony.

Acts 10:43-47 makes no mention of the status of their salvation. You are simply reading their point of remission into the description of the events.

You are doing this because of your faith alone regeneration theology, not because of the verbiage in the verses.

There are no bibles that present "so that your sins will be forgiven" in Acts 2:38 in the parenthetical, that includes both modern and ancient versions as well as bibles in other languages. You are simply making these things up.

Acts 10:43-47 and Acts 2:38 are already in harmony. The Bible does not need "your logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture."

The following is harmony of scripture:

All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name. (Acts 10:43)

When the people heard this, they were deeply upset. They asked Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what should we do?" Peter answered them, "All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and each of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins will be forgiven. (Acts 2:37-38)

And that is all there is to it.
Acts 10:43 tells us how our sins are forgiven.
Acts 2:37-38 tells us when our sins are forgiven.

No need for mind numbingly long discourses or any need for reform theology "experts".

Nehemiah6 · Jun 19, 2023

Lamar said:

That is incorrect. Those who have received the gift of the Holy Spirit are indeed saved. And that is exactly what we see in that passage.

mailmandan · Jun 19, 2023

Lamar said:

False. You seem to have a very difficult time grasping the truth here and there is a reason for that.

The evidence is overwhelming that these Gentles believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit, spoke in tongues (which is a spiritual gift that is ONLY for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were saved BEFORE water baptism. Certain Jews may have wanted to forbid these Gentiles from being baptized because of their unacceptance of the Gentiles, but Peter clearly states that SURELY NO ONE CAN REFUSE. These Gentiles were clearly SAVED BEFORE WATER BAPTISM and the Holy Spirit was proof of this. (Romans 8:9; 1 John 4:13) You have to jump through a lot of hoops to deny this solid gold truth.

Romans 8:9 - But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. If one has received the Holy Spirit they "belong" to Christ. To belong to Christ does not describe the condition of a lost unbeliever but a saved believer - such was the case of these Gentiles before they were water baptized.

1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. Because they received the Holy Spirit, these Gentiles abided in God and God abided in them. To abide in God and to have God abide in you does not describe the condition of a lost unbeliever but a saved believer - such was the case of these Gentiles before they were water baptized.

Before they were water baptized, these Gentiles spoke in tongues and magnified God (Acts 10:46). Again, this spiritual gift of the Holy Spirit is ONLY for the body of Christ. (1 Corinthians 12) Those already saved.

We do not receive the spiritual gift of tongues, which is only for the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:4-12), without first receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit (indwelling, regenerating presence of the Holy Spirit). We don't receive "a" gift "of" the Holy Spirit until we first receive "the gift of the Holy Spirit" and these Gentiles clearly received the gift of the Holy Spirit before they were water baptized.

Acts 10:43 says believes in Him "apart from additions or modifications" so it's believes in Him alone. In fact, the Bible clearly states in many passages of scripture that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." (Luke 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-9, 26; Ephesians 2:8.9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

Now you don't need to add the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of these passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Hence, FAITH ALONE. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus works? NO. So then it's faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone, which is not to be confused with an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" - barren of works. (James 2:14)

I am simply harmonizing scripture with scripture in order to reach the proper conclusion on doctrine. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics. I made nothing up.

They are in harmony, as I already thoroughly explained in post #1.270.

Believes in Him plus what? Plus nothing. Believes in Him alone.

Again, Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis. *Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

Question: Acts 16:30, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
Answer: Acts 16:31, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Believe and get baptized? NO. Simply BELIEVE.

Your flawed hermeneutics falls short.

By believing in Him, yet you believe in your baptism and not in Him alone, which means that you don't believe the gospel. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 1:18-21; 15:1-4) Those who believe the gospel trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation.

The moment we place our faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) is when we the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

No need for your flawed hermeneutics or biased church doctrine. Man is saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone. Period. Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. (Romans 3:24-28) No supplements needed.

Lamar · Jun 19, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

We are lost because of our sins.
We are saved because of the remission of our sins.
Would you not agree with this statement?

We are forgiven of our sins through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
The question is when.

Speaking in tongues is not the moment (when) of remission of sins nor is it evidence of the remission of sins.
Water baptism is the moment (when) of the remission of sins.

Acts 10:43-47 is simply a description of events.
It is not a loophole to negate the clear commands of Acts 2:38.

Acts 10:43-47 is not a command for the Holy Spirit to fall upon us in order to receive the remission of sins.
Acts 2:38 is a command for us to receive the remission of sins at water baptism.

Mem · Jun 19, 2023

The question of this issue is not whether one should be baptized but "how" is one baptized and it seems to me that the OP saw a need to add a "water" descriptive to the title of this thread to indicate that is the only way anyone can be baptized. But this presents us with a false dilemma, that is 'either you are water baptized or you are not baptized at all.' Scripture explains to us the types of baptism and that by water is John's baptism and the other is Christ's of which is by fire. However, those that insist on the necessity of water baptism assert that Jesus took over John's baptism with only a change in the name, i.e., Christ's baptism is John's baptism with a new name.

Nehemiah6 · Jun 19, 2023

mailmandan said:

Some people resist the truth. Sad but true.

water baptism in Jesus' Name.

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