water baptism in Jesus' Name.

[heartwashed]

That's @Bookeboom for you.

from CARM.

 

[heartwashed]

The proper way to baptize in Jesus’ name is to say, “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”

This statement is actually divisive.

One can baptize using the formulas of either Matthew 28:19 or Acts 2:38; as long as if, in baptizing in titles you recognize the Name; and/ or in baptizing in the Name you recognize the titles (that Jesus Christ is all three members of the Godhead).

But at least CARM here recognizes that to baptize using the formula of "In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost" is to baptize in the Name of Jesus Christ.

 

[mailmandan]

This statement is actually divisive.

One can baptize using the formulas of either Matthew 28:19 or Acts 2:38; as long as if, in baptizing in titles you recognize the Name; and/ or in baptizing in the Name you recognize the titles (that Jesus Christ is all three members of the Godhead).

What's divisive and deceptve is rigid, salvic, baptismal formulas.

 

[mailmandan]

God expects you to get your doctrine from the whole of scripture.

If the Bible were one verse, every doctrine of the Bible would not fit into that one verse.

So, sometimes God speaks of certain doctrines in specific verses; and expects you to get other doctrines from other verses.

Do a search on the word "baptize / baptized / baptism" and you may get a concise understanding of "the doctrine of baptisms" (Hebrews 6:1-3).

You may not get a doctrine about baptism from a verse that speaks about faith.

While there are a few verses that speak of both things, singular verses do not have enough room to speak of both doctrines for the most part.

We must properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching our conclusion on doctrine (as I have already demonstrated multiple times) and not distort and pervert passages of scripture in an effort to "patch together" a works based false gospel.

 

[heartwashed]

What's divisive and deceptve is rigid, salvic, baptismal formulas.

Of course it is the name of Jesus Christ in baptism that saves (see Acts 4:10-12).

I will not be rigid and say that you cannot baptize according to Matthew 28:19....that such a baptism would not be valid.

I will say that it is valid as long as you recognize the name (singular) that is represented by the titles "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" as revealed in Acts 2:38.

 

[heartwashed]

We must properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching our conclusion on doctrine (as I have already demonstrated multiple times) and not distort and pervert passages of scripture in an effort to "patch together" a works based false gospel.

You have not properly harmonized scripture. You actually take away from certain verses because what you take away is not included in other verses.

That ain't proper hermeneutics, friend.

To properly harmonize scripture you need to take the verses on baptism at face value and not pit the verses that speak of salvation by grace through faith against them.

 

[Ted01]

God gives conditional promises with points of contact for faith.

Fulfill the condition, receive the promise.

He doesn't lie when He makes His promises.

Absolutely!!
God's promise to us is that if we believe in Jesus, the Son of God, and His finished work on the cross, death burial & resurrection... we will be saved.
Nothing in that promise about water baptism.

 

[mailmandan]

You have not properly harmonized scripture. You actually take away from certain verses because what you take away is not included in other verses.

That ain't proper hermeneutics, friend.

To properly harmonize scripture you need to take the verses on baptism at face value and not pit the verses that speak of salvation by grace through faith against them.

Salvation by grace through faith is not salvation by water baptism. Period. Faith is not baptism and faith precedes baptism and we are saved through faith. It's just that simple. I'm not taking away anything. Just putting baptism in its proper place.

 

[heartwashed]

Absolutely!!
God's promise to us is that if we believe in Jesus, the Son of God, and His finished work on the cross, death burial & resurrection... we will be saved.
Nothing in that promise about water baptism.

Of course, you must keep that gospel in memory (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

What will prevent you from forgetting the gospel as is spoken of in that passage the moment you get Alzheimer's disease?

I will tell you what...if you have been baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and have made Jesus the Lord of your life in doing so!

 

[heartwashed]

Salvation by grace through faith is not salvation by water baptism. Period. Faith is not baptism and faith precedes baptism and we are saved through faith. It's just that simple. I'm not taking away anything. Just putting baptism in its proper place.

Again, we are not to pit the scriptures on salvation by grace through faith against those scriptures that teach on salvation through water baptism.

It just ain't proper hermeneutics.

 

[heartwashed]

Salvation by grace through faith is not salvation by water baptism. Period. Faith is not baptism and faith precedes baptism and we are saved through faith. It's just that simple. I'm not taking away anything. Just putting baptism in its proper place.

You take away what is not found in Acts 3:19 from Acts 2:38 and say that in doing so you are harmonizing scripture.

That is not the way it works.

 

[mailmandan]

Again, we are not to pit the scriptures on salvation by grace through faith against those scriptures that teach on salvation through water baptism.

It just ain't proper hermeneutics.

It's works-salvationists who pit scripture against scripture and the end result is salvation by works. I'll stick with proper hermeneutics. You can stick with your patch job.

 

[heartwashed]

It's works-salvationists who pit scripture against scripture and the end result is salvation by works. I'll stick with proper hermeneutics. You can stick with your patch job.

You are not using proper hermeneutics when you take away from one scripture what is not included in another and call that "harmonizing scripture". What you are really doing is taking away from God's word.

The Bible says that there are severe consequences for doing that (Revelation 22:18-19).

 

[mailmandan]

You take away what is not found in Acts 3:19 from Acts 2:38 and say that in doing so you are harmonizing scripture.

That is not the way it works.

Nothing has been taken away from Acts 2:38. I just properly harmonized scripture with scripture. I already thoroughly explained this to you in post #4.

 

[mailmandan]

You are not using proper hermeneutics when you take away from one scripture what is not included in another and call that "harmonizing scripture". What you are really doing is taking away from God's word.

The Bible says that there are severe consequences for doing that (Revelation 22:18-19).

See post #4. I'm really not interested in your judgmental, false accusations.

 

[heartwashed]

Nothing has been taken away from Acts 2:38. I just properly harmonized scripture with scripture. I already thoroughly explained this to you in post #4.

i remember what you wrote in post #4 and do not need to read it again.

You believe that because baptism isn't mentioned in Acts 3:19, that it should be removed from Acts 2:38.

Shame on you!

And be careful that your name doesn't get removed from the Book of Life (Revelation 22:18-19)!

 

[Ted01]

Of course, you must keep that gospel in memory (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

What will prevent you from forgetting the gospel as is spoken of in that passage the moment you get Alzheimer's disease?

I will tell you what...if you have been baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and have made Jesus the Lord of your life in doing so!

I understand that your religion requires you to do works, to help your god save you, and keep you saved... mine does not.

Jesus is the author and finisher of my Salvation... I just try to be an obedient servant.

 

[heartwashed]

I understand that your religion requires you to do works, to help your god save you, and keep you saved... mine does not.

Jesus is the author and finisher of my Salvation... I just try to be an obedient servant.

Actually, there is nothing more that I will ever need to do in order to obtain salvation.

Jesus has done it all. He gave me remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38-39).

I am saved completely by grace through faith.

 

[heartwashed]

See post #4. I'm really not interested in your judgmental, false accusations.

Really just trying to warn you that you are doing something that warrants condemnation according to the word.

No judgment here; especially if my warning leads you to repent.

 

[mailmandan]

i remember what you wrote in post #4 and do not need to read it again.

You believe that because baptism isn't mentioned in Acts 3:19, that it should be removed from Acts 2:38.

Shame on you!

And be careful that your name doesn't get removed from the Book of Life (Revelation 22:18-19)!

Not removed, just put in it's proper place, as I already thoroughly explained in post #4. No need to resort to straw man arguments or hasty judgment calls.