Was Peter a member of the Body of Christ

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="rhern, post: 4168102, member: 293713"]Acts 20:24-25 King James Version
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.


25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
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are you saying good-bye?



or comparing yourself to Paul?
 

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I said to Cephas in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew."
(Galatians 2:14)
Yes Peter was confuse and he didn't fully get what Paul was preaching.

Peter realized Paul had received wisdom from God of which he had trouble understanding

2 Peter 3:15-16 King James Version

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother
Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;


16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

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Yes Peter was confuse and he didn't fully get what Paul was preaching.

Peter realized Paul had received wisdom from God of which he had trouble understanding

2 Peter 3:15-16 King James Version

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;


16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

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You can understand better Peter's frame of mind in Galatians 2, by reading carefully what went down in early Acts all the way to Acts 15

Peter was offering the physical kingdom to the Jews, he was pleading with them to repent and be baptized. But he witnessed how the Jewish leaders kept rejecting the Holy Spirit, even after the Holy Spirit blessed him with signs and wonders

Acts 4 The priests and the captain of the temple guard and the Sadducees came up to Peter and John while they were speaking to the people. 2 They were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people, proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the dead.

8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people! 9 If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a man who was lame and are being asked how he was healed, 10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.

16 “What are we going to do with these men?” they asked. “Everyone living in Jerusalem knows they have performed a notable sign, and we cannot deny it. 17 But to stop this thing from spreading any further among the people, we must warn them to speak no longer to anyone in this name.”

Peter witnessed for himself how, despite the Holy Spirit giving them signs and wonders to verify their message to the Jewish nation, the leaders are determined to reject God. Peter also knew what happened to Stephen in Acts 6 and 7

8 Now Stephen, a man full of God’s grace and power, performed great wonders and signs among the people. 9 Opposition arose, however, from members of the Synagogue of the Freedmen (as it was called)—Jews of Cyrene and Alexandria as well as the provinces of Cilicia and Asia—who began to argue with Stephen. 10 But they could not stand up against the wisdom the Spirit gave him as he spoke.

15 All who were sitting in the Sanhedrin looked intently at Stephen, and they saw that his face was like the face of an angel.

Acts 7
54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.
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When Peter heard of this account, I strongly suspect he sensed that the Jewish nation is determined to reject what the Holy Spirit is doing in Israel through them. The Great Commission that Jesus gave them in Matthew 28 was not going to be fulfilled, the Jewish leaders are committing the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by rejecting their message, which under the Law of Moses, was an unforgivable sin.

By the time Peter witnessed in Acts 10 that God is granting the Gentiles the Holy Spirit, indicating that God is now saving Gentiles without them having to do what Peter believed must be done in Acts 2:38, that is to repent and be baptized, Peter could sense that God is phasing out the Kingdom gospel to usher in a new program, which we now know as the Gospel of Grace.

When we come to the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15, Peter remembered what he witnessed in Acts 10, and proposed in vs 11 that from now on, the Jews are to be saved by grace, even as the Gentiles are, that means without the Law of Moses

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

A literal reading will tell you that Peter is actually saying that he wants the Jews (we), from then on, to be saved, as a Gentile (they).

This is very significant because under the Law of Moses, Gentiles could be saved, but only as a Jew. Exodus 12:48 sums that up well.

And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

So when Peter announced that, it was of huge significance to all the Jews who heard him during the Council.

But alas, Peter could not get that proposal pass James, who was acknowledged to be the head of Jerusalem HQ. James intervened before it could take root, and he did his final announcement that

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

James, in my reading, deftly changed Peter's proclamation about how Jews and Gentiles are now to turn to God, into just the Gentiles.
And Acts 21 confirmed it, especially in v20

...Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law

To conclude, Peter after Acts 15, believed in his heart that God is setting the Law of Moses apart from all, so in Galatians 2, he felt free to behave like a Gentiles. However, when the men from James came, he had to separate himself from the Gentiles because Acts 15 only excused the Gentiles from the Law of Moses.

This explains his behavior in Galatians 2.
 
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Galatians 2:9 King James Version
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Paul was given The Gospel of Grace but not to Peter.

There is only one gospel that freely gives grace .

What God has joined together let no man separate.

This is to include Peter who was forgiven for his blasphemy against the Son of man seen, when used to demonstrate one of the many antichrist that were there. Again he rebuked Satan the father of lies (get behind me) and forgave Peter.

Today that kind of blasphemy cannot be forgiven against the Holy Spirt not seen. It is a abomination of desolation to stand in the Holy of the unseen glory of God place where Peter did. Even Jesus refused to stand there when accused of being Good Master . He gave glory to God not seen.

Three figures below.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men .Mathew 16: 22-23
 

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You can understand better Peter's frame of mind in Galatians 2, by reading carefully what went down in early Acts all the way to Acts 15

Peter was offering the physical kingdom to the Jews, he was pleading with them to repent and be baptized. But he witnessed how the Jewish leaders kept rejecting the Holy Spirit, even after the Holy Spirit blessed him with signs and wonders

Acts 4 The priests and the captain of the temple guard and the Sadducees came up to Peter and John while they were speaking to the people. 2 They were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people, proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the dead.

8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people! 9 If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a man who was lame and are being asked how he was healed, 10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.

16 “What are we going to do with these men?” they asked. “Everyone living in Jerusalem knows they have performed a notable sign, and we cannot deny it. 17 But to stop this thing from spreading any further among the people, we must warn them to speak no longer to anyone in this name.”

Peter witnessed for himself how, despite the Holy Spirit giving them signs and wonders to verify their message to the Jewish nation, the leaders are determined to reject God. Peter also knew what happened to Stephen in Acts 6 and 7

8 Now Stephen, a man full of God’s grace and power, performed great wonders and signs among the people. 9 Opposition arose, however, from members of the Synagogue of the Freedmen (as it was called)—Jews of Cyrene and Alexandria as well as the provinces of Cilicia and Asia—who began to argue with Stephen. 10 But they could not stand up against the wisdom the Spirit gave him as he spoke.

15 All who were sitting in the Sanhedrin looked intently at Stephen, and they saw that his face was like the face of an angel.

Acts 7
54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.
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When Peter heard of this account, I strongly suspect he sensed that the Jewish nation is determined to reject what the Holy Spirit is doing in Israel through them. The Great Commission that Jesus gave them in Matthew 28 was not going to be fulfilled, the Jewish leaders are committing the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by rejecting their message, which under the Law of Moses, was an unforgivable sin.

By the time Peter witnessed in Acts 10 that God is granting the Gentiles the Holy Spirit, indicating that God is now saving Gentiles without them having to do what Peter believed must be done in Acts 2:38, that is to repent and be baptized, Peter could sense that God is phasing out the Kingdom gospel to usher in a new program, which we now know as the Gospel of Grace.

When we come to the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15, Peter remembered what he witnessed in Acts 10, and proposed in vs 11 that from now on, the Jews are to be saved by grace, even as the Gentiles are, that means without the Law of Moses

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

A literal reading will tell you that Peter is actually saying that he wants the Jews (we), from then on, to be saved, as a Gentile (they).

This is very significant because under the Law of Moses, Gentiles could be saved, but only as a Jew. Exodus 12:48 sums that up well.

And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

So when Peter announced that, it was of huge significance to all the Jews who heard him during the Council.

But alas, Peter could not get that proposal pass James, who was acknowledged to be the head of Jerusalem HQ. James intervened before it could take root, and he did his final announcement that

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

James, in my reading, deftly changed Peter's proclamation about how Jews and Gentiles are now to turn to God, into just the Gentiles.
And Acts 21 confirmed it, especially in v20

...Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law

To conclude, Peter after Acts 15, believed in his heart that God is setting the Law of Moses apart from all, so in Galatians 2, he felt free to behave like a Gentiles. However, when the men from James came, he had to separate himself from the Gentiles because Acts 15 only excused the Gentiles from the Law of Moses.

This explains his behavior in Galatians 2.
also garee

It is becoming much clearer, It's all coming together.

Acts 20:24-25 Paul finally breaks away

Acts 20:
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.


How long has it been since you figured this out.

It is amazing How few people are able to discern the Scripture.

If they would only summit to the Holy Spirit, but they don't. They fight it toe and nail.

What will become of those who blenderize the Word of God.

If they continue with Acts 2 as their calling, my thought is they will suffer the same fate as the the believers in Jerusalem under James.

and that is to go through the 1000 year reign.

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Yes Peter was confuse and he didn't fully get what Paul was preaching.
It was not Peter who was confused, but you certainly appear to be confused. Very confused.

What makes you think Peter was excluded from the Body of Christ and that he was confused, when Peter was given the Keys of the Kingdom by Christ Himself, and also called a rock (Cephas or Kepha)? Peter was the one who preached the Gospel first to both Jews and then to Gentiles, and thousands were saved.

Looks like we have another Hyper Dispensationalist on board, trying to put a wedge between Peter and Paul.
 
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also garee

It is becoming much clearer, It's all coming together.

Acts 20:24-25 Paul finally breaks away

Acts 20:
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.


How long has it been since you figured this out.

It is amazing How few people are able to discern the Scripture.

If they would only summit to the Holy Spirit, but they don't. They fight it toe and nail.

What will become of those who blenderize the Word of God.

If they continue with Acts 2 as their calling, my thought is they will suffer the same fate as the the believers in Jerusalem under James.

and that is to go through the 1000 year reign.

..
The idea that the Body of Christ began at Acts 2 is very popular among many churches. So naturally there will be many who will find it hard to accept other perspectives.

I recall the first time I read in Acts 15 and realized that James was not saying the same thing in vs19, that Peter was saying in vs 11. That blew my mind and clarified a lot of the confusion I had over the book of James.
 

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The idea that the Body of Christ began at Acts 2 is very popular among many churches. So naturally there will be many who will find it hard to accept other perspectives.

I recall the first time I read in Acts 15 and realized that James was not saying the same thing in vs19, that Peter was saying in vs 11. That blew my mind and clarified a lot of the confusion I had over the book of James.
when did you discover this
 
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Last year.

There was a long thread then discussing issues like this. I mentioned the discovery of Acts 15 then, and it made some people mad enough that they announced publicly they are going to put me on ignore.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/galatian-conundrums.187224/
the older I get, the narrower the Gate that leads to Life seems to get

but this is ridiculously insane

what are the numbers of those who understand and see the full picture, insanely few.

what does that mean???
 
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thats when you know your on the right track

what do you think of my theory of those who place there faith in acts 2
Well the good thing is, salvation does not depend on whether you are Acts 2 or Mid Acts.

All of us are reasoning in part here. When we get to heaven then our minds will be perfect and we will know all things.

Our Apostle Paul gave us good advice in Romans 14 regarding such discussions

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
 

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Last year.

There was a long thread then discussing issues like this. I mentioned the discovery of Acts 15 then, and it made some people mad enough that they announced publicly they are going to put me on ignore.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/galatian-conundrums.187224/
It is by design that the 12 will sit on 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel with Him.

As for Grace through faith it's a different destiny. could be the saints that return with Him. Zech 14:5
 

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Well the good thing is, salvation does not depend on whether you are Acts 2 or Mid Acts.

All of us are reasoning in part here. When we get to heaven then our minds will be perfect and we will know all things.

Our Apostle Paul gave us good advice in Romans 14 regarding such discussions

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
what about Matthew 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

this is the earthly Kingdom 1000 year

this is not us
 

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what about Matthew 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

this is the earthly Kingdom 1000 year

this is not us
calling it a night

sent to my personal mail box
 
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what about Matthew 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

this is the earthly Kingdom 1000 year

this is not us
Yes, he was not referring to us Gentiles.

Your point was that because of this, the 12 apostles are not also placed in the Body of Christ. I have no view on this, and to me, it doesn't really matter either way.