Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?

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What Day was Jesus crucified ?

  • Wednesday

    Votes: 9 45.0%
  • Thursday

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • Friday

    Votes: 9 45.0%

  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .
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When these women came to anoint the body of Jesus on the first day of the week "at the rising of the sun" was he there ? If he was not there what does that say at the time He was resurrected ?

Mark 16:1-6
1. ¶ And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3. And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4. And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5. And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6. And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
 
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they would have had until sunset friday evening to buy spices...they also would have been able to buy spices immediately after sunset saturday evening...

not that you didn't already know that...but your intent here is to deceive...
On what day did they prepare the spices thanks (Luke 24:1-3) "Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulcher, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulcher. And they entered in, and FOUND NOT THE BODY of the Lord Jesus".
 

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wrong again...

luke 22:1..."Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching."

matthew 26:17..."Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, 'Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?'"
mark 14:12..."On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples *said to Him, 'Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?'"
luke 22:7..."Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed."

and 'the fourteenth day of the first month at evening' was the beginning of the fifteenth day of the month...this method of numbering days is established from leviticus...

leviticus 23:27-32..."On exactly the tenth day of this seventh month is the day of atonement; it shall be a holy convocation for you, and you shall humble your souls and present an offering by fire to the Lord. You shall not do any work on this same day, for it is a day of atonement, to make atonement on your behalf before the Lord your God. If there is any person who will not humble himself on this same day, he shall be cut off from his people. As for any person who does any work on this same day, that person I will destroy from among his people. You shall do no work at all. It is to be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. It is to be a sabbath of complete rest to you, and you shall humble your souls; on the ninth of the month at evening, from evening until evening you shall keep your sabbath."


the hilarious irony about this whole exchange is that it exposes the fact that a supposedly 'torah observant' person is observing the passover and feast of unleavened bread -the wrong way-!
You do understand that this was a pilgrimage Feast and the Passover. Coming from long distances to be there for the 8 days. Yes, the New Testament often refers to Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread as one or the other, as in a season. Christians speak of the Christmas season being the days before and after the 25th, although only the 25th is considered Christmas Day. The Bible does not contradict from Old to New, the continuity remains. Do you really think those in Jesus time did not know what the Torah said when Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread were according to the only scriptures they had?
 
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Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?:)
I made two calendars to put in my work Bible many moons ago on my C-64 this is one of them reformatted for the forum. If you find any misteaks I am sorry.

THE DAY JESUS DIED (April 5 30AD)


SUNSET: Nisan 14 (Passover day) begins. (in A.D. 30 the year Jesus died, Passover day fell on what we now call Wednesday starting Tuesday sunset.)


EVENING: Jesus observes Passover service. He introduces foot washing and New Testament symbols of bread and wine. He foretells His betrayal (Mat. 26:26-30, Luke 22:14-23, John 13:3-17, 21).


AT PASSOVER SERVICE: Jesus foretells disciples desertion and Peter's denial. He prays for God's Church (Mark 14:27-31, John 13:36-38, chapters 14-17).


NIGHT: In Gethsemane, Jesus prays. Disciples fall asleep. An angel appears and strengthens Jesus (Mat. 26:36-46, Luke 22:43). Judas arrives with mob. Jesus is seized. Disciples forsake Him (Mat. 26:47-56).


EARLY MORNING, BEFORE DAYLIGHT: Jesus is taken to Annas, questioned and sent to Caiaphas. Peter denied Jesus (John 18:12-24). Sanhedrin, through false witnesses, tries to condemn Jesus for blasphemy (Mat.26:57-66). Peter denies Jesus a second and a third time (Mark 14:70-72, Luke 22:58-62). Jesus is mocked, beaten and spat upon (Luke 22:63-65).


"AS SOON AS IT WAS DAY" MORNING: Sanhedrin condemns Jesus and sends him bound to Pilate (Luke 22:66-71, 23:1). Judas, remorseful, hangs himself (Mat. 27:3-10). Pilate questions Jesus, sends Him to Herod (Luke 23:1-7). Herod questions Jesus, returns Him to Pilate (luke 23:8-11). Pilate seeks to release Jesus. The people reject Him. Jesus is scourged and led to Golgotha (Mat. 27:15-26, Mark 15:21-22, John 19:1-16).


9 A.M.: Jesus is crucified between two robbers (Mark 15:25-28).


9 A.M.-3 P.M.: Jesus prays for His murderers forgiveness (Luke 23:34). The soldiers divide His garments (Mat. 27:35). Jesus is scoffed at and mocked (Mat. 27:39-44). Jesus asks John to care for Mary (John 19:25-27).


NOON-3 P.M.: Darkness over all the land (Mat. 27:45).


3 P.M. : Jesus is given sour wine and stabbed with a spear. He speaks His last words and dies (Luke 23:46, John 19:28-30, 34-37).


LATE AFTERNOON-EARLY EVENING: Joseph of Arimathea claims His body body. He and Nicodemus prepare it for burial. His body is laid in Joseph's new tomb (Mat. 27:60, Mark 15:42-46, John 19:38-42).


SUNSET: Nisan 15 (First Day of Unleavened Bread) begins. (First Day of Unleavened Bread fell on what we now call Thursday.)

Mac.
 

john832

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I made two calendars to put in my work Bible many moons ago on my C-64 this is one of them reformatted for the forum. If you find any misteaks I am sorry.

THE DAY JESUS DIED (April 5 30AD)

SUNSET: Nisan 14 (Passover day) begins. (in A.D. 30 the year Jesus died, Passover day fell on what we now call Wednesday starting Tuesday sunset.)


EVENING: Jesus observes Passover service. He introduces foot washing and New Testament symbols of bread and wine. He foretells His betrayal (Mat. 26:26-30, Luke 22:14-23, John 13:3-17, 21).


AT PASSOVER SERVICE: Jesus foretells disciples desertion and Peter's denial. He prays for God's Church (Mark 14:27-31, John 13:36-38, chapters 14-17).


NIGHT: In Gethsemane, Jesus prays. Disciples fall asleep. An angel appears and strengthens Jesus (Mat. 26:36-46, Luke 22:43). Judas arrives with mob. Jesus is seized. Disciples forsake Him (Mat. 26:47-56).


EARLY MORNING, BEFORE DAYLIGHT: Jesus is taken to Annas, questioned and sent to Caiaphas. Peter denied Jesus (John 18:12-24). Sanhedrin, through false witnesses, tries to condemn Jesus for blasphemy (Mat.26:57-66). Peter denies Jesus a second and a third time (Mark 14:70-72, Luke 22:58-62). Jesus is mocked, beaten and spat upon (Luke 22:63-65).


"AS SOON AS IT WAS DAY" MORNING: Sanhedrin condemns Jesus and sends him bound to Pilate (Luke 22:66-71, 23:1). Judas, remorseful, hangs himself (Mat. 27:3-10). Pilate questions Jesus, sends Him to Herod (Luke 23:1-7). Herod questions Jesus, returns Him to Pilate (luke 23:8-11). Pilate seeks to release Jesus. The people reject Him. Jesus is scourged and led to Golgotha (Mat. 27:15-26, Mark 15:21-22, John 19:1-16).


9 A.M.: Jesus is crucified between two robbers (Mark 15:25-28).


9 A.M.-3 P.M.: Jesus prays for His murderers forgiveness (Luke 23:34). The soldiers divide His garments (Mat. 27:35). Jesus is scoffed at and mocked (Mat. 27:39-44). Jesus asks John to care for Mary (John 19:25-27).


NOON-3 P.M.: Darkness over all the land (Mat. 27:45).


3 P.M. : Jesus is given sour wine and stabbed with a spear. He speaks His last words and dies (Luke 23:46, John 19:28-30, 34-37).


LATE AFTERNOON-EARLY EVENING: Joseph of Arimathea claims His body body. He and Nicodemus prepare it for burial. His body is laid in Joseph's new tomb (Mat. 27:60, Mark 15:42-46, John 19:38-42).


SUNSET: Nisan 15 (First Day of Unleavened Bread) begins. (First Day of Unleavened Bread fell on what we now call Thursday.)

Mac.

Only thing I disagree with is the year. The decree of Artaxerxes was in 457BC and 483 years later is 27AD. Add 3-1/2 years ministry and we come to 31AD. Passover on April 25, 31AD (corrected to Gregorian) The day was Wednesday.
 
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On what day did they prepare the spices thanks (Luke 24:1-3) "Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulcher, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulcher. And they entered in, and FOUND NOT THE BODY of the Lord Jesus".
 

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Friday the guards were guarding the tomb and no one was allowed into the tomb. Because Y'shua died on Wednesday (around 3 pm - the usual time of the passover lamb to be killed) and that day being Nisan 14 (the following day on the 15th was a High Sabbath as it was the first day of Feast of Unleavened Bread). So the "sabbath" that required Y'shua to be buried before sundown was referring to the First Day of Unleavened Bread - which is always on Nisan 15. Now Friday would have been when we would have thought that the women could enter the tomb and annoint the body but



Mat 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,

Mat 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

Mat 27:64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.

Mat 27:65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.

Mat 27:66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.



The tomb continued to be guarded until the end of the 3 nights and 3 days. On Saturday, it was a "regular" sabbath, so the women could not come then either. On the first day of the week, before sunrise, they came to the tomb and it was now empty. They thought their Lord had been taken away and asked of where He was brought.
 
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"Only thing I disagree with is the year. The decree of Artaxerxes was in 457BC and 483 years later is 27AD. Add 3-1/2 years ministry and we come to 31AD. Passover on April 25, 31AD (corrected to Gregorian) The day was Wednesday."

The Internet has many answers to hard questions.

Why the Crucifixion of Christ Could Not Have Occurred in 31 AD
© Carl D. Franklin
June 30, 2005
For nearly fifty years, major branches of God’s church have taught that Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, April 25, 31 AD. However, the Hebrew Calendar places Nisan 14 of 31 AD on Monday, March 26. This date is historically accurate and has never been questioned by the Jews. The true date of Jesus’ crucifixion was Wednesday, April 5, 30 AD.
In the excerpt below, 31 AD is presumed to be the year of Jesus’ crucifixion. Reference is made to a Wednesday Passover, but the author does not give the day or the month. Several “indicators” or “milestones” are offered that are supposed to point to a 31 AD crucifixion:
A significant amount of historical and scriptural evidence points to
A.D. 31 as the year of Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection. Among these indicators of an A.D. 31 crucifixion are the fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy of the coming of the Messiah (Daniel 9:24-26; Ezra 7 [Artaxerxes’ decree]), and a careful consideration of three milestones: the likely date of Jesus’ birth, His age when He began His ministry and the duration of His ministry.
The calculated calendar of the Jews places the Passover in A.D. 31 on Wednesday, and Jesus Christ’s death on that day fulfilled His role as the true Passover Lamb of God (1 Corinthians 5:7). The next day, Thursday, was a holy (annual) Sabbath. On that Thursday, the chief priests and Pharisees went to Pilate to secure permission to seal and guard Jesus’ tomb (Matthew 27:62-66). Later, on Sunday, the resurrected Jesus walked along the road to Emmaus and talked with two of His disciples, who discussed all the things that had happened, including the Thursday visit by the leaders to Pilate (Luke 24:13-14, 20). They mentioned that this day, Sunday, was the third day since all these things had happened (verse 21).
Fundamental Beliefs of the United Church of God: Three Days and Three Nights
http://www.ucg.ca/gn/lit/FB/threenights.asp
(Note: The fact that Luke 24:21 records that Sunday was “the third day since these things were done” does not establish the year of these events—it simply establishes the day of the week that Jesus was crucified. The reader is referred to A Harmony of the Gospels by Fred R. Coulter for a complete exposition of secular and biblical indicators that points to 30 AD as the year of the crucifixion.)
The teaching that a Wednesday Passover occurred in 31 AD was introduced into the churches of God in the 1970’s by Dr. Herman Hoeh. At that time, a parallelism was believed to exist between the beginning of the apostolic church in the year of the crucifixion (presumably 31 AD) and the founding of the Radio Church of God (1931). The one hundred 19-year cycles (1900 years) from the founding of the New Testament church to the founding of the Radio Church of God suggested to the church’s membership that this event was timed by God.
The doctrine of a 31 AD crucifixion was further reinforced by the writings of church scholars who unfortunately had limited sources for researching the subject. Much more historical data is available today than in the earlier years of the church, enabling us to accurately determine the date of Jesus’ crucifixion. In fact, it can be demonstrated beyond all doubt that the crucifixion of Jesus did not take place in 31 AD.
Exposing the Erroneous Belief in a 31 AD Crucifixion
Dr. Hoeh based his belief in a 31 AD crucifixion upon the assumption that there was a change in the intercalary pattern of the Hebrew Calendar in 142 AD. Assuming that the intercalary cycle was changed in 142 AD, Dr. Hoeh introduced an intercalary cycle with leap years 2, 5, 7, 10, 13, 16 and 18 of the 19-year cycle in place of the long established cycle of 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17 and 19 years. From that time, holy day calculations before 142 AD were based on this cycle, which falsely classified 30 AD, the 10th year in the 19-year cycle, as a leap year of 385 days. The additional month that was added for the assumed leap year in 30 AD moved the date of Passover in 31 AD from its correct date of Monday, March 26, to Wednesday, April 25. (Note: This change in the intercalary cycle used by the churches of God did not affect the observance of the Passover and the holy days by church membership because calculations for 142 AD and later were still based on the 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17 and 19-year cycle.)
Dr. Hoeh’s adoption of an alternate intercalary cycle for 142 AD and years previous to that was based on references in Jewish literature to rabbinical discussions in the second century AD. The rabbinic opinions that were expressed in these discussions were grossly misinterpreted by Dr. Hoeh and other early scholars in the churches of God. The debate was not over the intercalary pattern within each 19-year cycle but over which year was the year of creation—the epochal molad that began the first year of the first 19-year cycle.

Understanding the Rabbinic Debate Over the Epochal Molad of Creation
The statements that are viewed as evidence of a change in the Hebrew Calendar in the second century are not related to different years of intercalation but to different ways of numbering these intercalary years based on the year chosen to begin the count. The numbering of the intercalary years in the sequence of 19-year cycles depends entirely on a conclusion as to when time began.
In order to properly interpret the rabbinic debate, it is necessary to understand the intercalary pattern of the 19-year cycle. In each cycle of nineteen years there are twelve regular years and seven leap years to which a thirteenth month is added. The adding of a thirteenth month, known as a second Adar, is called intercalation.
According to the Hebrew Calendar, the year 1996 was the last year of a 19-year cycle. Calculating by 19-year increments, 1996-1997 AD was year 19 of the 19-year cycle 1978-1996 AD, and thus a leap year. (A second Adar was added in the spring of 1997.) This determination is based on the premise that the creation took place in the year 3761 BC, and therefore that year was the first year of the first 19-year cycle. This date for creation gives us a pattern of 13-month leap years of 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19. However, the date 3761 BC was not always accepted by rabbinic authorities as the date of creation.
During the rebellion of Bar Kokhba from 132 to 135 AD, the established intercalary cycle was interrupted, and it was several years before Jewish calendar authorities could meet to restore the intercalary cycle due to ongoing Roman persecution. A philosophical debate over the year of creation broke out within the rabbinic community sometime afterwards. Some proposed that 3761 BC was the correct year; others favored 3760 BC. There was also support for 3759 or 3758 BC. There were, of course, other opinions among the rabbis, but these four years appear to have been most prominent in the debate. The debate did not subside until about 1000 AD when 3761 BC was finally accepted as the year of creation.
It is a mistaken interpretation of this recorded rabbinical debate over the year of creation that led to the belief that the intercalary cycle of the Hebrew Calendar was formerly 2, 5, 7, 10, 13, 16 and 18 years. In actuality, this numbering of leap years was no different from the 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17 and 19 year-cycle. The only difference in the two numbering systems is that the latter cycle began counting from 3761 BC, and the former began counting from 3760 BC. Thus all the leap years in the two manners of reckoning matched perfectly. The following chart illustrates the numbering system used by different rabbinical leaders depending on the date they favored as the date of creation.

3761 BC 3760 BC 3759 BC 3758 BC Year AD
Common to All
1
2 1
3 2 1 X 23 AD
4 3 2 1
5 4 3 2
6 5 4 3 X 26 AD
7 6 5 4
8 7 6 5 X 28 AD
9 8 7 6
10 9 8 7
11 10 9 8 X 31 AD
12 11 10 9
13 12 11 10
14 13 12 11 X 34 AD
15 14 13 12
16 15 14 13
17 16 15 14 X 37 AD
18 17 16 15
19 18 17 16 X 39 AD
1 19 18 17
2 1 19 18
3 2 1 19 X 42 AD

As illustrated in this chart, an assumed creation year of 3760 BC yields an intercalary pattern of years 2, 5, 7, 10, 13, 16 and 18; an assumed creation year of 3759 BC gives an intercalary pattern of years 1, 4, 6, 9, 12, 15 and 17; an assumed creation year of 3758 BC yields an intercalary pattern of years 3, 5, 8, 11, 14, 16 and 19. All three assumed creation years match the intercalary cycle of the year 3761 BC, which was ultimately accepted as the year of creation. The only difference in these numbering systems was the starting date—there was no dispute over the selection of leap years. Therefore, it is evident that the rabbinical debate over the date of creation did not affect the calculations of the Hebrew Calendar.
Although the year 3761 BC did not gain universal acceptance until the Middle Ages, it was used in the calculations of the Hebrew Calendar both before and after the second century AD. Rabbinic literature ascribes the origin of this belief to Rabbi Yose b. Halafta, who first wrote of it in the Seder Olam Rabbah as noted by the Encyclopaedia Judaica.
Seder Olam is mentioned in the Talmud (Shab. 88a; Yev. 82b; et al.) and is ascribed by the Palestinian amora R. Johanan (third century) to the second-century tanna Yose b. Halafta (Yev. 82b; Nid. 46b). The work is divided into three parts, each consisting of ten chapters. Part one enumerates the dates of major events from the creation of the world until the death of Moses and the crossing of the Jordan by the Israelites under Joshua; part two, from the crossing of the Jordan to the murder of Zechariah, king of Israel; part three, chapters 21–27, from the murder of Zechariah to the destruction of the Temple by Nebuchadnezzar; and chapter 28, from the destruction of the Temple to the conquest of Babylon by Cyrus. Chapter 29 and the first part of chapter 30 cover the Persian period, which is stated to be only 34 years (s.v. “Seder Olam Rabbah”).
Based on his chronological studies, Rabbi Yose believed the date of creation was 3828 BC. The year 3761 BC was derived by subtracting 68 years (Rabbi Yose believed the Second Temple was destroyed in 68 AD) from 3828 BC, resulting in 3760 BC. One year was added to compensate for the fact that there is no year “0,” placing the date of creation in the year 3761 BC.
Seder Olam Rabbah was the first to establish the era “from the creation of the world” (ab creatione mundi, abbreviated A.M. for anno mundi). Utilizing the biblical chronology and reconstructing post-biblical history as well as he could, the author arrived at the conclusion that the world was created 3828 years before the destruction of the Second Temple by the Romans. According to this calculation the destruction took place in the year 68, which is in contradiction to the accepted chronology that it took place in the year 70 C.E. An attempt to harmonize the contradiction was made by E. Frank (see bibl.). It was a long time until the reckoning according to the anno mundi era took root in Jewish chronology. For many centuries the calculation of the Seder Olam Rabbah was of interest only to talmudic students who tried to satisfy their curiosity for historical reconstruction. The usual calculation accepted by Jews in talmudic and even post-talmudic times was that of the Seleucid era, beginning with the year 312 BCE., and usually referred to in Jewish literature as minyan shetarot (“dating of documents”). Only when the center of Jewish life moved from Babylonia to Europe and the calculation according to the Seleucid era became meaningless was it replaced by that of the anno mundi era of the Seder Olam (Ibid., s.v. “Seder Olam Rabbah”).
Rabbi Yose was among the leading rabbis who participated in the second-century debate over the year of creation. His views were held in great respect by other rabbinical leaders of that era.
YOSE BEN HALAFTA (mid-second century C.E.), tanna; the R. Yose mentioned in the Talmud without patronymic. Yose was one of the leaders of the generation after the persecutions which followed the Bar Kokhba War. He was born in Sepphoris, where his father was one of those who instituted takkanot there after the destruction of the Temple (Tosef., Ta'an. 1:14). Yose studied under his father and transmitted some of his teachings (Kelim 26:6; et al.). He also studied under Johanan b. Nuri in Galilee (Tosef., Kelim, BK 6:4; et al.), and under Tarfon in Judea (ibid., Shev. 4:4). His main teacher, however, was Akiva in whose name he frequently transmits halakhot, and it was said generally: “R. Akiva his teacher” (Pes. 18a). He is numbered among his last pupils who “reestablished the Torah” (Yev. 62b) and were ordained by Judah b. BAba (Sanh. 14a). During the persecutions he endangered his life to fulfill the precept of circumcision and fled to Asia or to Laodicea (BM 84a: TJ, Ab. Zar. 3:1). He participated in all the conventions of scholars “at the close of the period of persecution,” in the valley of Bet Rimmon, in Usha, and in Jabneh (TJ, Hag. 3:1; Ber. 63b)...
Yose's bet din in Sepphoris was reckoned among the most outstanding in Erez Israel (Sanh. 32b). It is probable that after Nathan and Meir were demoted from the leadership in the Sanhedrin, following their attempt to remove Simeon b. Gamaliel from his office as nasi [president] (Hor. 13b), he and Judah took their places….His influence was still felt in the council chamber during the time of Judah ha-Nasi [president], the son of Simeon, who withdrew his own view in favor of that of Yose (Shab. 51a), and spoke of him with exceptional respect (Git. 67a).
While some rabbis agreed with Yose ben Halafta’s opinion, other rabbis held different views. Because they began counting from varying years of creation, they differed in the numbering of years in each 19-year cycle.
Apparent variations in the ordo intercalationis, i.e., …(2, 5, 7, 10, 13, 16, 18), …(1, 4, 6, 9, 12, 15, 17) and…(3, 5, 8, 11, 14, 16, 19) by the side of the present order (3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, 19), which are met with as late as the tenth century, are but variant styles of the selfsame order. These are in part also indicated by the epochal molad variously given as (…4d. 20h. 408p.), … = 2d. 5h. 204p., … = 6d. 14h. 0p. and … = 3d. 22h. 876p. which artificially go back to the beginning of the Era of the Creation [first espoused by rabbi Yose] and variously place its epoch in the autumn of 3762,–61,–60,–59 and–58 BCE. respectively (see Chronology). While it is not unreasonable to attribute to Hillel II the fixing of the regular order of intercalations, his full share in the present fixed calendar is doubtful (Ibid.,
s.v. “Calendar”).
As the author of the above article for the Encyclopaedia Judaica states, these apparent variations are in reality “the selfsame order.” That is, they represent different scholarly views of the date of creation “…3762,–61,–60,–59 and–58 BCE”—not differing views of the pattern of intercalation.
As previously noted, assigning different dates to the creation did not affect the years of intercalation. Yet, the churches of God were led to believe that the numbers the rabbis used were referring to differing years of intercalation. The adoption of the intercalary cycle of 2, 5, 7, 10, 13, 16, and 18 years—which was based on counting from 3760 BC— was misapplied by Dr. Hoeh and substituted for the 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17 and 19-year pattern, which began counting from 3761 BC.
The 3760 BC Numbering System Misapplied to the 3761 BC Cycle
3761 3760 Intercalary Cycle Cycle Sequence
2 1 3AD 2 X 4 3 5 4 6AD 5 X 7 6 8AD 7 X 9 8 10 9 11AD 10 X 12 11 13 12 14AD 13 X 15 14 16 15 17AD 16 X 18 17 19AD 18 X 20 19
Notice that the first leap year on this chart is 3 AD rather than 4 AD as the 3761 BC cycle would have it, and the last leap year is 19 AD rather than 20 AD. Year “2” of the 3760 BC cycle should correspond with year “3” of the 3761 BC cycle. Accordingly, year “18” of the 3760 BC cycle should correspond with year “20” of the 3761 BC cycle. Thus the misapplication of the 3760 BC numbering system in the churches of God resulted in erroneous calculations for the dates of the leap years during Christ’s lifetime and led to the adoption of a 31 AD crucifixion.

Were the Years of Intercalation Ever Modified?
Jesus and the apostles observed the holy days each year based on the intercalary cycle of the Hebrew Calendar. Historical records are now available which amply demonstrate that the intercalary cycle has remained unchanged from apostolic times to our day. There is no historical evidence to support a change in the intercalary cycle in 142 AD.
However, during the time that the Calendar Court held authority in Palestine there were rare occasions when unusual circumstances in the land necessitated a temporary adjustment. Before the time of Hillel II, when the Calendar Court was still functioning, a one-time decision could be made in a given year to declare a normal 12-month year to be 13 months or vice versa. This was done only in the event of famine, local disasters or conditions of hardship. Those responsible for the temporary change would restore the established cycle in the following years.
Some in the churches of God today have presumed to add or subtract months within certain years to propose a "fix" for seasonal drift or to cause holy days to fall on a certain day of the week. There is no historical evidence that the Hebrew Calendar has ever employed such methods. Hebrew Calendar scholars maintain that a change in the pattern of intercalation has never been implemented to bring about a seasonal adjustment in the declaration of the festival days. In fact, it is mathematically and astronomically inaccurate to do so. The date of Tishri 1 is fixed by astronomical laws and mathematical principles that do not change regardless of the reasonings and opinions of any leader of a religious organization.
 

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Perhaps you should do a little homework. The reason why you have no work being done is that this is not a "regular" Sabbath. It is not based on days of the week, but on stages of the moon. Therefore it changes days every year. It can be any day of the week, INCLUDING FRIDAY.

Lev 23:5 'In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is the LORD'S Passover. 6 'Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. 7 'On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work. 8 'But for seven days you shall present an offering by fire to the LORD. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.'"

If you combine this with the passage:

Joh 19:31 Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

You have the difference stated, this is NOT the regular Sabbath or their would be no specification as to it being a “High Day”. Again, you will have to do a little research on the Jewish feasts, but it will be worth your time. This is the other passage that you need to consider:

Mat 12:39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; 40 for just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

This is the sign that Jesus offered that He is the true Messiah. If He is off by ANYTHING, either longer or shorter, than three days AND three nights, He is a false prophet, deserving of death by stoning, according to the commands of God Himself, and the N.T., that claims He is God and the Messiah, is completely wrong calling a false prophet God. Here’s another:

Joh 20:1 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene *came early to the tomb, while it *was still dark, and *saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.

If you claim that Jesus died on the regular Sabbath, then you have an issue of claiming a full night for Saturday night. Problem … it was still dark and Jesus was gone. You definitely can’t count any of Sunday “Day” in the three days and three nights.

So, what you have to decide is, was Jesus a false prophet, and is the N.T. all lies, and we all need to throw it out as such right now, or do we actually need to consider the “Law” and the rules with regards to the feasts, High days … and take that into consideration. Really, as I see it, those are our only options. Personally, I don’t want to exclude the rest of the scriptures to hold to a Friday Sabbath and make Jesus a false prophet and have to discard the entire N.T. and still be lost and in my sins, especially in the light of that Sabbath being a high day, the rules with regards to High days and the feasts … but that has to be the decision of the readers. M

Maybe you are ready to give up on the Christianity thing and scrap the Jesus Messiah, and the entire N.T. as lies. You see, if Jesus own prophesy concerning His own Messiahship is wrong, then our N.T. and everything we have written about Jesus is as untrustworthy as this passage is:

Mat 12:39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; 40 for just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Show me 3 days AND 3 nights without a high day, and you win. I will give you your point. Otherwise, the verse is wrong, there is no Messiah, it's all a big hoax, and it’s time to give up Christian chat thing, as Jesus isn't the Messiah, or the scriptures aren't trustworthy. Time to pick or prove your point.
 

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Mac4Yuma,

To summarize all that I just read, the ability to calculate the 70 years in Daniel, when Messiah would be born/cut off, when creation was ... is a matter of some debate and depends on how the Jews did their calendar in all of the years in-between. Fortunately, none of this changes the requirement of the 3 full days and 3 full nights being a requirement for Jesus being the Messiah and the N.T. being reliable and trustworthy.
 
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There were TWO sabbaths that week.....the weekly sabbath, which started Friday night, & the passover sabbath (high sabbath) which Jesus died during to fulfill the Holy day as the Lamb of God. These were not on the same day due to the fact that High sabbaths occurred during the new moons, if I remember correctly.
 

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Easter controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Easter - Original Catholic Encyclopedia

a Teutonic goddess of the rising light of day and spring,
Ēostre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Babylonian name for this goddess was Ishtar.
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The Phoenician name was Astarte, the wife of the sun god, Baal,
Astarte - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the worship of whom the most abominable of all pagan idolatry (i Kings 22:53; Jer. 32:35).

Semiramis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the legendary queen of King Ninus, succeeding him to the throne of Assyria.

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accepted as the eponymous founder of Nineveh(nimrod)

17Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
18The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough,

to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

19Do they provoke me to anger? saith the Lord: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?

16And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house,
and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord,
between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men,
with their backs toward the temple of the Lord,
and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

why do they worship on easter sunrise today? funny how every church seats facing the sunrise.

Quartodecimanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
celebrated Passover on the 14th of the first month
 
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So what if it was Monday, is your faith placed in it or just stupid stuff.
 
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What day was they referring to ? thanks

Luke 24:21King James Version (KJV)

21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
In order to understand Luke 24:21 we have to look at the motivations behind what the two disciples are actually saying. Re-read this chapter and put yourself in the mind of a detective for a moment and think about the two disciples mood and what they might have been thinking. Put yourself in their shoes. If what you suggest is true, the two disciples could not think the prophecy for Jesus to rise on the third day had failed yet because the third day was not over yet. For if what you say is true, then they would be jumping the gun in being all upset before they could give the prophecy a chance to fulfill itself. They would at least give Jesus the benefit of the doubt in showing up on the third day to them at some point. But seeing Jesus did not appear to them on the third day of the Saturday Sabbath, they were having doubts about Christ's prophecy on the following first day of the week (Sunday). They were all sad because they were leaning towards the thinking that Christ failed to keep His promise because they did not see Him on the third day as they were expecting.

The statement in Luke 24:21 where Cleopas, a disciple says, "today is the third day since these things happened" fits. To say the "third day since" means the same thing as the "third day after". How so?

Well, if you were to look at the origin of the word "since" it has the word "afterward" in it's definition.

Online Etymology Dictionary

Also, if you were to look at the word "since" in the King James Online Dictionary, it also defines it as "after."

SINCE - Definition from the KJV Dictionary

In other words, the Jews understood that "three days after" is the same as saying the "third day"; And seeing the English word "since" can be understood as "after", it is saying "three days after"

To put it to you another way, it would be like a person telling you that they were going to keep a promise within three days and they would fail to keep it. Let me give you an example: Let's say Rick told his older brother Steve (Who plays college football) was going to join the football team after graduation and that there was only three days Rick would have in order to sign up. Now, lets say Rick promised his brother that he was going to sign up at least by the last third day after graduation. That he was going to sign up sometime between these three days but he was going to absolutely do so by the third day as a part of his promise. Now, lets say Rick failed to keep his promise and did not sign up by the last third day for the team. The conversation between Rick and Steve could easily go like this,

Rick: "Steve, I hate to break this to you but I did not sign up on the third day as I promised." "Maybe I can talk to the coach and he can make an exception or something."

Steve: "Dude! Today is three days after all these things are done already!" "You can't sign up after three days!" "You know coach Brown will not go for such a thing and you know it!"

In other words, Luke 24:21 says the same thing.

Luke 24:21
"But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since [three days after] these things were done."

Let's examine this.

"But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel."

They had doubts. Why would they doubt if the three days was not over yet?

"Today is the third day since (after) these things have been done."

What things were to be done?

Well, one of the major things that needed to be done was Christ's resurrection!

For Luke 24:7 are the very words of Jesus that prophesied His promise to them. His promise was that He was going to rise three days later; And He kept that promise (Just not in the way they were expecting).

Side Note:

Oh, and the NLT (New Living Translation) renders Luke 24:21 as saying "three days ago." (Meaning, three days after).
 
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The women came early on the first day of the week with spices for Jesus Christ's body. They waited because of the Sabbath for it would be against the law, rabbinical at least, for them to have done this work on the Sabbath.

Earlier I poste how our Lord told the hypocrites they would receive no sign except the sign of Jonah. As Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights, so the Son of Man would be in the belly of the earth three days and three nights. I believe Jesus Christ, so we have the time when the women came to prepare His body only to find HIm not there, early on the first day. Count three days and nights back. Again, Jesus does not lie.
 
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When these women came to anoint the body of Jesus on the first day of the week "at the rising of the sun" was he there ? If he was not there what does that say at the time He was resurrected ?

Mark 16:1-6
1. ¶ And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3. And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4. And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5. And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6. And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
you are forgetting your hebrew timekeeping...a day began at sunset the previous evening...sunrise on the first day of the week was already halfway through the first day...
 
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On what day did they prepare the spices thanks (Luke 24:1-3) "Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulcher, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulcher. And they entered in, and FOUND NOT THE BODY of the Lord Jesus".
actually there is mention of the spices both before and after the sabbath...

luke 23:56 indicates that after jesus was buried the women went home and prepared spices...but then rested on the sabbath...their preparations were most likely incomplete since they would have only had a short time until the sabbath began...

mark 16:1 indicates that when the sabbath was over the women bought spices...they could have done this in the evening immediately after sunset brought the sabbath to a close...

why they bought more spices in addition to the ones already prepared before the sabbath is anybody's guess...but personally i think it was because of salome... only mary magdalene and mary the mother of james and joses were present at the burial according to matthew 27:61 and mark 15:47...salome does not appear with the marys until after the sabbath in mark 16:1...possibly the spices they purchased were her contribution to be added to what the marys had already prepared...
 
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You do understand that this was a pilgrimage Feast and the Passover. Coming from long distances to be there for the 8 days. Yes, the New Testament often refers to Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread as one or the other, as in a season. Christians speak of the Christmas season being the days before and after the 25th, although only the 25th is considered Christmas Day. The Bible does not contradict from Old to New, the continuity remains. Do you really think those in Jesus time did not know what the Torah said when Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread were according to the only scriptures they had?
the old testament -also- indicates that passover and the feast of unleavened bread were the same thing...for example this verse...

ezekiel 45:21..."In the first month on the fourteenth day you are to observe the Passover, a festival lasting seven days, during which you shall eat bread made without yeast."

the night of the passover seder was the first day of the feast of unleavened bread...the entire thing lasted seven days...not eight...
 
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This is the sign that Jesus offered that He is the true Messiah. If He is off by ANYTHING, either longer or shorter, than three days AND three nights, He is a false prophet, deserving of death by stoning, according to the commands of God Himself, and the N.T., that claims He is God and the Messiah, is completely wrong calling a false prophet God.
and this is why this wednesday crucifixion teaching is so dangerous...it is not merely a minor difference of opinion...the more vocal of the theory's proponents -readily admit- that they are talking about -a different jesus- from the rest of us...

we can either accept the true jesus of the bible...who died on a friday afternoon and rose on sunday before dawn...as the biblical accounts require...or you follow the unbiblical and unhebraic seventy-two hour stopwatch jesus these people have invented...a false christ...