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A few verses, some mention new covenant some new testament:
Matthew 26:28 - For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Luke 22:20 - Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup [is] the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Leviticus 17:11 - For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.
Hebrews 13:20 - Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Hebrews 9:22 - And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Mark 14:24 - And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
It is new, but it is also an everlasting covenant, it is better than the Old because we ar eunder grace not law
the Law once it was given kills, for none can keep it. The law is good, but the law condemns.
And you who revile a brother condemn yourselves, because we are to love one another.
If you have reviled your brother, for Jesus commanded we love God with all our hearts
and our brother as ourselves.
Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments.
I almost regret starting this thread to see the animosity it has caused, and yet
those that are saved will be blessed by discussing the things of God.
Matthew 26:28 - For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Luke 22:20 - Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup [is] the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Leviticus 17:11 - For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.
Hebrews 13:20 - Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Hebrews 9:22 - And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Mark 14:24 - And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
It is new, but it is also an everlasting covenant, it is better than the Old because we ar eunder grace not law
the Law once it was given kills, for none can keep it. The law is good, but the law condemns.
And you who revile a brother condemn yourselves, because we are to love one another.
If you have reviled your brother, for Jesus commanded we love God with all our hearts
and our brother as ourselves.
Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments.
I almost regret starting this thread to see the animosity it has caused, and yet
those that are saved will be blessed by discussing the things of God.
I have not seen anything really bad between Whispered and others,
but look what I suggest when you don't agree is not to make it personal.
If you say, 'You ignored this or that', or 'Don't try to teach me.'
Those are personal statements,
try to make them impersonal, like, 'I see in Genesis this,'
or 'I wonder if you could consider the Masoretic text on this, I find it useful.'
That way is to avoid rage and accusations and counter accusations.
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Magenta said she doubted we were all Christian in here.
Well, then we and they should behave as Christians.
but look what I suggest when you don't agree is not to make it personal.
If you say, 'You ignored this or that', or 'Don't try to teach me.'
Those are personal statements,
try to make them impersonal, like, 'I see in Genesis this,'
or 'I wonder if you could consider the Masoretic text on this, I find it useful.'
That way is to avoid rage and accusations and counter accusations.
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Magenta said she doubted we were all Christian in here.
Well, then we and they should behave as Christians.
Magenta's implication is an attempt to skirt the rule against outright accusation of an individual not being in Christ. Just so that you know, if someone says directly, "you're not a Christian', that can be grounds for reporting them and they can be disciplined according to the rules.
Magenta has an issue with me and has held it for quite awhile unfortunately because she is unable to accept she was wrong about a matter concerning her statement about the Old Testament.
She has no grounds to judge anyone's faith.
Your post contains good advice for how we should behave toward one another here. Unfortunately, as we know , the anonymity of the net allows some with the worst personalities to let fly because they're not seen to be doing that. Highly doubtful such persons would speak as hatefully toward the person they write to on a forum were they face to face with them.
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Please do not let yourself be misled by the spirit of what is known as replacement theology. Replacement Theology adherents believe the Jews were removed from being God's chosen people. And God then made Christians to take that place. This is untrue and blasphemy.
Jesus was God. God gave the Mitzvot, the law of God, to the Jews. Jesus said in his ministry concerning the law, referring to the Mitzvot, and the Prophets, the books of the Prophets (Trei-Assar), not one jot nor tittle will pass from them until all is accomplished. These, the law and prophets, are part of the Hebrew Bible, and of course our Old Testament.
Love was the foundation upon which the law of God and the Prophets were hung. Love of God, and love of one's neighbor.
The Book of Matthew chapter 5
The Fulfillment of the Law
17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.…
Not all has been accomplished with regard to the prophecies of Messiah. This means when Jesus reiterated the law as valid, save for the law of Moses, the ceremonial law of sin and sacrifice, which was nailed to the cross with Jesus, then the law remains valid.
Replacement Theology always leads , implies, Antisemitism and it is not of God. God tells us, Salvation is of the Jews. Jesus was born into a Jewish family, the Matrilineal line of His mother Mary leading back to king David.
Removing the Hebrew history, or Jews from the Salvation prophecy is counter to God's word. [The Book of John chapter 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. ]
You might consider researching, Replacement Theology, so as to find out what it is about and what it foretells as pertains to the conflict in the church. (the church is actually the whole of individual members in Christ. Not a structure, nor a Denomination).
Jesus was God. God gave the Mitzvot, the law of God, to the Jews. Jesus said in his ministry concerning the law, referring to the Mitzvot, and the Prophets, the books of the Prophets (Trei-Assar), not one jot nor tittle will pass from them until all is accomplished. These, the law and prophets, are part of the Hebrew Bible, and of course our Old Testament.
Love was the foundation upon which the law of God and the Prophets were hung. Love of God, and love of one's neighbor.
The Book of Matthew chapter 5
The Fulfillment of the Law
17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.…
Not all has been accomplished with regard to the prophecies of Messiah. This means when Jesus reiterated the law as valid, save for the law of Moses, the ceremonial law of sin and sacrifice, which was nailed to the cross with Jesus, then the law remains valid.
Replacement Theology always leads , implies, Antisemitism and it is not of God. God tells us, Salvation is of the Jews. Jesus was born into a Jewish family, the Matrilineal line of His mother Mary leading back to king David.
Removing the Hebrew history, or Jews from the Salvation prophecy is counter to God's word. [The Book of John chapter 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. ]
You might consider researching, Replacement Theology, so as to find out what it is about and what it foretells as pertains to the conflict in the church. (the church is actually the whole of individual members in Christ. Not a structure, nor a Denomination).
The Book of Hebrews chapter 9:6
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
It's not your fault. You have not been on CC for very long, relatively - you'll see that especially here in the Bible discussion forum a lot of threads end up containing a lot of very uncordial posts. It hardly has to do with the thread so much as varying opinions and pride on the part of people involved in the discussion. Often bitterness between a few people spills over from thread to thread as people form and cling to grudges.
We discuss issues we arw very passionate about here, and we are falible people. It's not something for you to blame yourself over, friend.
We discuss issues we arw very passionate about here, and we are falible people. It's not something for you to blame yourself over, friend.
Please do not presume I did not. Thank you.
The Earthly Holy PlaceThe Book of Hebrews chapter 9 Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. 2 For a tent[a] was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table and the bread of the Presence.[b] It is called the Holy Place. 3 Behind the second curtain was a second section[c] called the Most Holy Place, 4 having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron's staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant. 5 Above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail.
6 These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7 but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. 8 By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing 9 (which is symbolic for the present age).[d] According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10 but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.
Redemption Through the Blood of Christ
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come,[e] then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify[f] for the purification of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our[g] conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.[h] 16 For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. 17 For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” 21 And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Footnotes
The Earthly Holy PlaceThe Book of Hebrews chapter 9 Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. 2 For a tent[a] was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table and the bread of the Presence.[b] It is called the Holy Place. 3 Behind the second curtain was a second section[c] called the Most Holy Place, 4 having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron's staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant. 5 Above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail.
6 These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7 but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. 8 By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing 9 (which is symbolic for the present age).[d] According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10 but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.
Redemption Through the Blood of Christ
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come,[e] then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify[f] for the purification of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our[g] conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.[h] 16 For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. 17 For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” 21 And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Footnotes
- Hebrews 9:2 Or tabernacle; also verses 11, 21
- Hebrews 9:2 Greek the presentation of the loaves
- Hebrews 9:3 Greek tent; also verses 6, 8
- Hebrews 9:9 Or which is symbolic for the age then present
- Hebrews 9:11 Some manuscripts good things to come
- Hebrews 9:13 Or For if the sprinkling of defiled persons with the blood of goats and bulls and with the ashes of a heifer sanctifies
- Hebrews 9:14 Some manuscripts your
- Hebrews 9:15 The Greek word means both covenant and will; also verses 16, 17
