Why would I expect anything but else but an ad hominem attack? Typical! Can't address the topic. So you attack me, throwing my training at me, expecting perfection. But pastors get angry. I hate lies. They are so unChristian. After 200 pages of unsupported misinformation, I am angry. I'm angry that people are taking a topic, and posting opinions, paranoia and outright insanity. I wanted DavidTree to know I got his message. And other than just reminding me of all the ignorance in this forum, it shows me the church is basically dead. People would rather scream in bold large letters about lies, than post the Bible, and real science, instead of all these right wing conspiracy theories. Or, more important discuss evangelism and reaching the world for Christ, as I said in one post where I quoted Bill Mounce.
I will admit I am not in a peaceful place. I'm in agony. Fighting with my rheumatologist to change my meds. Seeking a second opinion means waiting a year for an appointment, or driving 4 1/ 2 hours to see a doctor taking patients. I can do that. But will I just end up with another doctor with a god complex? These doctors don't suffer with RA. Treatment moves at a glacial pace in rheumatology. While I am non- functional, more deformities, and who knows what the disease is doing to my organs.
I am taking a break from my PhD. I can't type, I've got brain fog that leaves me disoriented. I don't understand why God called me to this, and he won't help me, or at least give me a less arrogant rheumatologist. Not quite bitter, but almost. I've had to give up playing flute, gardening, and exercising. I can't physically do these things anymore. And when I come here to read a Christian posts, I find people who really know little about the Bible, let alone Jesus. To say nothing of science.
Yes, I should have turned the other cheek. But an answered was required. I try to moderate it, but right now, I am so hated because of my support of vaccines. But even more because all the anti-vax lies, people see me as an ogre. I don't mind standing for the truth at all. I think that is the least God expects from us.
I'm sorry for what happened to this mother and baby. Genuinely grieved. But the facts are, many more pregnant women statistically die from COVID than the vax. One story does not make it science. There always rare exceptions to the rule, esp in medicine. Science does not take one death, and for rules. It looks multiple large studies. This thread is about the facts of COVID, a deadly disease. It is not about some odd cases with the vaccine. Your post was non-sequitur. It was very emotional and human. And sad for everyone involved. But as a supporting document to prove vaccines are bad for pregnant women, it really is irrelevant, same with my story. This forum is chock full of people with misinformation, scare techniques, and uneducated people discussing a topic they know nothing about. Science scares them! Maybe it makes them feel like they have lost control of their lives. But God certainly allows these messed to occur, so we can learn and grow. But if people just become more entrenched in fear & lies, you are not following God, who seeks to transform and sanctify us. I'm frustrated, because I've been walking down this road of pain and suffering for too long. So, better to focus on teaching. People, educating them as to how science works, and that is not scarey or fearful, but amazing the gifts God has given people to save lives. But most on this forum don't want/can't change, it seems, by reading this thread,
if you bring some facts about pregnant women dying more if they are vaccinated, from a reputable source, then we could have a discussion. Except you can't! You brought a straw man, one anecdotal story. That isn't science! And you want me to get over/ emotional about it in a clinical thread about the COVID vaccines. That is not even a debate. Post your story in a different forum, and maybe I will respond according to your expectations. Or maybe not. Meanwhile, read the facts! It is conclusive that the vax hurts so many less pregnant women than those who get COVID. What about those stories? Of pregnant women kept on life support to give the baby a chance to grow more viable outside the uterus. Then a C-Section, and taking the mother off life support, because she is dead. Thousands of women & unborn babies have been through that.
The reason that pregnant women are urged to take the vaccine, is that so many more women die of COVID than the vax. Fight fair please. This thread is supposed to be about the science of vaccines. Personal stories are colourful. They are sad, (your case) or happy (like my daughter!) but those are just stories, meant to cause emotions to rise. I've debated a lot of Debate clubs. People use these tactics in formal debates. But an informed debater will just present the facts, instead of falling into emotionalism, and getting derailed!
I will admit I am not in a peaceful place. I'm in agony. Fighting with my rheumatologist to change my meds. Seeking a second opinion means waiting a year for an appointment, or driving 4 1/ 2 hours to see a doctor taking patients. I can do that. But will I just end up with another doctor with a god complex? These doctors don't suffer with RA. Treatment moves at a glacial pace in rheumatology. While I am non- functional, more deformities, and who knows what the disease is doing to my organs.
I am taking a break from my PhD. I can't type, I've got brain fog that leaves me disoriented. I don't understand why God called me to this, and he won't help me, or at least give me a less arrogant rheumatologist. Not quite bitter, but almost. I've had to give up playing flute, gardening, and exercising. I can't physically do these things anymore. And when I come here to read a Christian posts, I find people who really know little about the Bible, let alone Jesus. To say nothing of science.
Yes, I should have turned the other cheek. But an answered was required. I try to moderate it, but right now, I am so hated because of my support of vaccines. But even more because all the anti-vax lies, people see me as an ogre. I don't mind standing for the truth at all. I think that is the least God expects from us.
I'm sorry for what happened to this mother and baby. Genuinely grieved. But the facts are, many more pregnant women statistically die from COVID than the vax. One story does not make it science. There always rare exceptions to the rule, esp in medicine. Science does not take one death, and for rules. It looks multiple large studies. This thread is about the facts of COVID, a deadly disease. It is not about some odd cases with the vaccine. Your post was non-sequitur. It was very emotional and human. And sad for everyone involved. But as a supporting document to prove vaccines are bad for pregnant women, it really is irrelevant, same with my story. This forum is chock full of people with misinformation, scare techniques, and uneducated people discussing a topic they know nothing about. Science scares them! Maybe it makes them feel like they have lost control of their lives. But God certainly allows these messed to occur, so we can learn and grow. But if people just become more entrenched in fear & lies, you are not following God, who seeks to transform and sanctify us. I'm frustrated, because I've been walking down this road of pain and suffering for too long. So, better to focus on teaching. People, educating them as to how science works, and that is not scarey or fearful, but amazing the gifts God has given people to save lives. But most on this forum don't want/can't change, it seems, by reading this thread,
if you bring some facts about pregnant women dying more if they are vaccinated, from a reputable source, then we could have a discussion. Except you can't! You brought a straw man, one anecdotal story. That isn't science! And you want me to get over/ emotional about it in a clinical thread about the COVID vaccines. That is not even a debate. Post your story in a different forum, and maybe I will respond according to your expectations. Or maybe not. Meanwhile, read the facts! It is conclusive that the vax hurts so many less pregnant women than those who get COVID. What about those stories? Of pregnant women kept on life support to give the baby a chance to grow more viable outside the uterus. Then a C-Section, and taking the mother off life support, because she is dead. Thousands of women & unborn babies have been through that.
The reason that pregnant women are urged to take the vaccine, is that so many more women die of COVID than the vax. Fight fair please. This thread is supposed to be about the science of vaccines. Personal stories are colourful. They are sad, (your case) or happy (like my daughter!) but those are just stories, meant to cause emotions to rise. I've debated a lot of Debate clubs. People use these tactics in formal debates. But an informed debater will just present the facts, instead of falling into emotionalism, and getting derailed!
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