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[Pilgrimshope]

Before the Second Coming perhaps.

maybe when Jesus said it would be ?

“Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: that the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; from the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭11:49-51‬ ‭

“As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be?
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


……“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:32‬ ‭

“Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It could be that the truth is like he’s saying about Jerusalems destruction and desolation when Jesus said it would happen and those things he’s telling them would be fulfilled

 

[douggg]

There is nothing to misunderstand here.The scripture speaks for itself.The scripture says the kingdom of this earth becomes Christs and he reigns forever.You say it belongs to the beast.Where do you see the beast in any of this?


Revelation 11
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Where's the beast that you say is reigning Doug?Christ is reigning here Doug,not the beast.

The beast's reign is for 42 months after the two witnesses are killed, his army trampling down Jerusalem during that time. Satan's cast down to earth time, times, half time will coincide within the 42 months. With Satan incarnating the abomination of desolation statue image of the beast, making it appear to come alive and speak.

At Jesus's Second coming, the beast-king and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire - ending the 42 months of the beast's rule.

Also at Jesus's Second coming, Satan is be chained and cast into the bottomless pit prison, Revelation 20:1-3.

 

[oyster67]

maybe when Jesus said it would be ?

“Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: that the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; from the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭11:49-51‬ ‭

“As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be?
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


……“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:32‬ ‭

“Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It could be that the truth is like he’s saying about Jerusalems destruction and desolation when Jesus said it would happen and those things he’s telling them would be fulfilled

Luke 21:27
“And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.”
--- The rapture of the Church.

Luke 21:28
“And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.”
--- The deliverance of Israel shall soon follow.

These are all things yet future.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The two witnesses don't do evil by thwarting the beast's agents sent to neutralize them. Why do you think the beast will make war against them? Because the two witnesses will be lying, or telling the truth ?

Killing the enemy, who intend harm in the course of war, such as the beast making war on the two witnesses, is not evil. For example,

In 2king2:35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

The beast from the abyss makes war with the two witnesses because it hates the prostitute and wants to destroy her and also because the two witnesses keep killing and tormenting the people.S rupture says they celebrate the two witnesses deaths because they to enter them.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The beast's reign is for 42 months after the two witnesses are killed, his army trampling down Jerusalem during that time. Satan's cast down to earth time, times, half time will coincide within the 42 months. With Satan incarnating the abomination of desolation statue image of the beast, making it appear to come alive and speak.

At Jesus's Second coming, the beast-king and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire - ending the 42 months of the beast's rule.

Also at Jesus's Second coming, Satan is be chained and cast into the bottomless pit prison, Revelation 20:1-3.




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The beast does not reign after the two false prophets ascend into the lake of fire.
Christ reigns.

This is the word of God.
Stop giving me your word and show me where the beast reigns in the passage below.


Revelation 11
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Yes, and His Word says Judgement Day is coming.

Yes it takes place on the same day the two witnesses are removed from.his kingdom.
The dead are judged right here in verse 18 .

Revelation 11

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.


12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

No, i did not say that. I said the beast rule of 42 months is after the two witnesses will have been killed.

In Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

In Revelation 11:7, the beast kills the two witnesses. The unsaved people of the world rejoice over their deaths. And react in Revelation 13:4, saying....

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

The beast from.the sea reigns forty two months while the two prophets occupy Jerusalem that beasts reign comes to an end the same day the two prophets are killed.
The beast from the abyss and the ten horns reigns for 3.5 days after the two prophets are killed
Then the kingdom.becomes Christs and he reigns forever.


This is the word of God.You should stop fighting against the word of God and except it as truth.


Revelation 11
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


The beast does not reign for 42 months after the kingdom is given to Christ.

 

[douggg]

This is the word of God.
Stop giving me your word and show me where the beast reigns in the passage below.

You show where in those verses Revelation 11:11-18 it says that Jesus has returned to this earth.

The 42 months of Revelation 11:2 are the same 42 months of Revelation 13:5, the beast's period of reign.

The 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 are the same 1260 days of Revelation 12:6.

The 7th angel announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth. The third woe is in Revelation 12:12.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The 7th angel sounds AFTER the two witnesses' 1260 days is over and have left this world.

Look at my timeline chart again. It shows the 7th angel sounding AFTER the two witnesses' 1260 days and have left this world - just like it says in Revelation 11.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The beast's reign is for 42 months after the two witnesses are killed, his army trampling down Jerusalem during that time. Satan's cast down to earth time, times, half time will coincide within the 42 months. With Satan incarnating the abomination of desolation statue image of the beast, making it appear to come alive and speak.

At Jesus's Second coming, the beast-king and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire - ending the 42 months of the beast's rule.

Also at Jesus's Second coming, Satan is be chained and cast into the bottomless pit prison, Revelation 20:1-3.




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Why you keep insisting the beast will reign in Christs kingdom after Jesus has come and raised the dead is a blasphemy that is hard to swallow.

The dead are raised when the two witnesses come back to life.The word of God says that the dead are judged at that time but you keep insisting Jesus comes 42 months after he has raised the dead and has been given his kingdom.upon earth.The beast does not continue to reign after the two witnesses and all the other dead has been raised on that day.The false prophet and the beast are destroyed at Christs coming.The beast does not continue to reign.
Your problem is you can distinguish between a false prophet and a prophet of Jesus Christ.You believe anyone who comes in Jesus name claiming to be announced is a true prophet of God.They could do unspeakable sin in Jesus name and you would still say they are prophets of Jesus and that he has sent them.


This is when the two prophets and their army arrives in Israel.

Mathew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.


The persecution of the saints in Israel takes place after these prophets arrive in Israel in Jesus name.

 

[douggg]

The beast from.the sea reigns forty two months while the two prophets occupy Jerusalem that beasts reign comes to an end the same day the two prophets are killed.

According to the text of Revelation 11, does the 7th sound before or after the two witnesses ascend to heaven ?

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Where in the text, following Revelation 11, is there text about "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" ?

 

[douggg]

Why you keep insisting the beast will reign in Christs kingdom after Jesus has come and raised the dead is a blasphemy that is hard to swallow.

What is hard for you to shallow is that you are misunderstanding Revelation 11:14-18.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You show where in those verses Revelation 11:11-18 it says that Jesus has returned to this earth.

The 42 months of Revelation 11:2 are the same 42 months of Revelation 13:5, the beast's period of reign.

The 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 are the same 1260 days of Revelation 12:6.

The 7th angel announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth. The third woe is in Revelation 12:12.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The 7th angel sounds AFTER the two witnesses' 1260 days is over and have left this world.

Look at my timeline chart again. It shows the 7th angel sounding AFTER the two witnesses' 1260 days and have left this world - just like it says in Revelation 11.



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The 42 months in revelation 11:2 is the same 42 months in revelation 13:5.

The two witnesses are killed after the 42 months in revelation 11:2 .Not before.


Revelation 11
11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.



The 42 months begins in Revelation 11:2
The 42 months ends in revelation 11:7


Christ reigns 3.5 days after revelation 11:7

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

According to the text of Revelation 11, does the 7th sound before or after the two witnesses ascend to heaven ?

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Where in the text, following Revelation 11, is there text about "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" ?

It sounds the same day.Quickly after the two witnesses have been removed from Christs kingdom.Christ is in the clouds when they are removed.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

What is hard for you to shallow is that you are misunderstanding Revelation 11:14-18.

I'm not misunderstanding it.Im the one quoting it as it is.

 

[douggg]

It sounds the same day.Quickly after the two witnesses have been removed from Christs kingdom.Christ is in the clouds when they are removed.

Where in the text, following Revelation 11:14, is there text in Revelation about "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" ?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Where in the text, following Revelation 11:14, is there text in Revelation about "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" ?

The inhabiters of the earth are punished at the time of Gods wrath from verse 13-18.18 specifically says this is the time of Gods wrath upon the nations.


14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


The beast is destroyed as in verse 18.No more beast.

 

[douggg]

The inhabiters of the earth are punished at the time of Gods wrath from verse 13-18.18 specifically says this is the time of Gods wrath upon the nations.

I am asking you about what is stated in the text of Revelation, regarding "woe to the inhaiters of the earth".

Where in the text, following Revelation 11:14, is there text in Revelation stating "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" ?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I am asking you about what is stated in the text of Revelation, regarding "woe to the inhaiters of the earth".

Where in the text, following Revelation 11:14, is there text in Revelation stating "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" ?

If you don't believe the wrath of God upon the inhabiters of the earth is a woe then I don't know what to say.The beast no longer exists after verse 18.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


THe beast does not reign after it is destroyed.

 

[douggg]

If you don't believe the wrath of God upon the inhabiters of the earth is a woe then I don't know what to say.The beast no longer exists after verse 18.

You know what to say, but you don't want to admit it because it disproves your point of view.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The short time he has left is the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14.

 

[douggg]

Revelation 11, the 1260 days of the two witnesses

then

Revelation 11, the 7th angel sounds, announcing the third woe

then

Revelation 12:12, the third woe, Satan cast down to earth for a time, times, half time