I pointed out all of these issues on a different post as well. At this point it seems intentional.... but he is taking multiple scriptures out of context and twisting them to mean something different. He's leaving out the verses before or after the verse that clearly show the context. God having a maker??? Who seriously interprets that this way?
Understanding the Trinity as a doctrine.
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For one to suggest the Trinity Doctrine is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is irresponsible with the word of God and ignorant. The concept of the Trinity brings reverence and humility in approaching the Eternal Godhead.
God, the Father is God, God the Son is God, and God the Holy Spirit is God; yet all ONE. No one can explain this mystery. Only Pride, one thinks they can. The Infinite God has revealed Himself outside many boxes man has tried to Keep HIm in. God is outside of Time, space, and matter. He created the spirit, soul, and body. He controls the earth, water, and air.
God is One yet HE revealed himself in three distinct persons found in the word of God. Paul said it is a mystery. The human mind cannot comprehend. Yet those here claim one is blaspheming the Holy Spirit because one disagrees with their position of God they cannot fully know. foolish.
God, the Father is God, God the Son is God, and God the Holy Spirit is God; yet all ONE. No one can explain this mystery. Only Pride, one thinks they can. The Infinite God has revealed Himself outside many boxes man has tried to Keep HIm in. God is outside of Time, space, and matter. He created the spirit, soul, and body. He controls the earth, water, and air.
God is One yet HE revealed himself in three distinct persons found in the word of God. Paul said it is a mystery. The human mind cannot comprehend. Yet those here claim one is blaspheming the Holy Spirit because one disagrees with their position of God they cannot fully know. foolish.
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There is a simplicity in Christ (2 Corinthians 11:3-4) and the doctrine of the Trinity is really very simple.
God is one Spirit (John 4:23-24, Ephesians 4:4) who has been incarnated in human flesh (John 1:1,14, 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).
God as a Spirit without flesh is the Father, the first Person of the Trinity.
God as a Spirit in flesh is the 2nd Person.
The 3rd Person is the Spirit as it is released from the 2nd Person at his death (Luke 23:46).
There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4) who is God (John 4:24).
Therefore the distinction is inherent in the hypostatic union.
Jesus is a distinct Person in that He is both God and Man; while the Father is only God.
Not hard to comprehend; and certainly not pride if you understand it.
God is one Spirit (John 4:23-24, Ephesians 4:4) who has been incarnated in human flesh (John 1:1,14, 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).
God as a Spirit without flesh is the Father, the first Person of the Trinity.
God as a Spirit in flesh is the 2nd Person.
The 3rd Person is the Spirit as it is released from the 2nd Person at his death (Luke 23:46).
There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4) who is God (John 4:24).
Therefore the distinction is inherent in the hypostatic union.
Jesus is a distinct Person in that He is both God and Man; while the Father is only God.
Not hard to comprehend; and certainly not pride if you understand it.
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Jesus is a distinct Person from the Father.
He chose to be subordinate to the Father in order to set an example of obedience for all who would come into His kingdom.
Jesus is the same Spirit as the Father, come in human flesh.
I have show this clearly in a scriptural manner in the context of this thread.
(all one needs to do is go back and read all of my posts in this thread in order to get my take on these doctrines).
Eph 3:3, How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
He chose to be subordinate to the Father in order to set an example of obedience for all who would come into His kingdom.
Jesus is the same Spirit as the Father, come in human flesh.
I have show this clearly in a scriptural manner in the context of this thread.
(all one needs to do is go back and read all of my posts in this thread in order to get my take on these doctrines).
Eph 3:3, How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
This is the new revised standard trinity doctrine 2021, lol:
"God as a Spirit without flesh is the Father, the first Person of the Trinity.
God as a Spirit in flesh is the 2nd Person.
The 3rd Person is the Spirit as it is released from the 2nd Person at his death."
So if the 2nd person is the Spirit in the flesh, and the this 3rd person was released when the 2nd person died.... that means Jesus had dissociative identity disorder. It's unfortunate that people come up with this stuff, but it's at least a little entertaining.
So if the 3rd person spirit is released when the 2nd person dies, what happens to the 2nd person spirit?
You say there is only one spirit, and the spirit is a person.... yet there are three persons. Either Spirit is a person and there is more than one.... or you're following a false ideology and spirit is not a person. When you define spirit as a person, and then say there is more then one person, then you are also saying there is more then one spirit. Sorry, but math does not allow you to have it both ways.
This is coming from the same person that pulls Isa 45:11 out of context, and twists it to say The Most High God יהוה has a maker.
"God as a Spirit without flesh is the Father, the first Person of the Trinity.
God as a Spirit in flesh is the 2nd Person.
The 3rd Person is the Spirit as it is released from the 2nd Person at his death."
So if the 2nd person is the Spirit in the flesh, and the this 3rd person was released when the 2nd person died.... that means Jesus had dissociative identity disorder. It's unfortunate that people come up with this stuff, but it's at least a little entertaining.
So if the 3rd person spirit is released when the 2nd person dies, what happens to the 2nd person spirit?
You say there is only one spirit, and the spirit is a person.... yet there are three persons. Either Spirit is a person and there is more than one.... or you're following a false ideology and spirit is not a person. When you define spirit as a person, and then say there is more then one person, then you are also saying there is more then one spirit. Sorry, but math does not allow you to have it both ways.
This is coming from the same person that pulls Isa 45:11 out of context, and twists it to say The Most High God יהוה has a maker.
How do you figure? They are the same Spirit / Person.
All three Persons are the same Person / Spirit. They are distinct, not separate.
They are the same Spirit; the only distinction being that the Father is a Spirit without flesh while the Son is the same Spirit come in the flesh.
Really? 1 x 1 x 1 = 1.
And, 1 / 1 / 1 = 1
What does Isaiah 45:11 say in its context?
All three Persons are the same Person / Spirit. They are distinct, not separate.
They are the same Spirit; the only distinction being that the Father is a Spirit without flesh while the Son is the same Spirit come in the flesh.
Really? 1 x 1 x 1 = 1.
And, 1 / 1 / 1 = 1
What does Isaiah 45:11 say in its context?
Yes Jesus is Distinct from the Father. (Matt 6:9)
Jesus is the Only Begotten Son (Colossians 1:15)
The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit which is Poured into people. (Pentecost and Joel). The Spirit is within all that speaks consistently with Words of God. Only obedience to the Scriptures (in total) can this be true.
Nowhere is trinity spelled out as 3 in 1, coequal, ... in the bible.
The Scriptures are a closed system. To exegete the trinity message requires extra axioms and logic not available in the bible. That implies extrabiblical sources. That is not permitted as it is a closed system. Logical?
Jesus is the Only Begotten Son (Colossians 1:15)
The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit which is Poured into people. (Pentecost and Joel). The Spirit is within all that speaks consistently with Words of God. Only obedience to the Scriptures (in total) can this be true.
Nowhere is trinity spelled out as 3 in 1, coequal, ... in the bible.
The Scriptures are a closed system. To exegete the trinity message requires extra axioms and logic not available in the bible. That implies extrabiblical sources. That is not permitted as it is a closed system. Logical?
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Let me add one more verse to that...
Isaiah 45:9-11
9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
Isaiah 45:9-11
9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.