Understanding the Trinity as a doctrine.
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it is those who say "I don't belong to any religious organization. " Yet, are very much holding to a doctrinal position and say they don't.
it is pride. Just listen to the responses when people say to you
"If we are intellectually honest "
They do not want to hear or care what you say even if you provided scripture. Then, it is you are wrong and adding to the word of God. Yet the very thing they accuse you of, they do. Those like this just listen to them, They study more than you. They are not following any denomination because they know the truth. God gave them the truth, not you. They have to attack all others to keep the since of security and to admit they are wrong is too hard to bear why? Pride and they have a religious spirit.
They will never accept what can't be known. God's fully divine nature can not be fully understood by man. Yet this person knows everything about God more than any other person alive or ever was. people like this think they who are finite fully comprehend the Infinite God.
Those like this thrive on the debate and will ignore your biblical point that is true at all cost why? Because they are self-deceived.
Don't get sucked into trying to even debate this topic because they are not going to care they want their pride and ego groped.
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It amazes me how people call themselves Christians and yet deny God's self disclosure of himself. Apart from the heresies on the Godhead which are obvious to most Christians. Here is a couple of doozys that should be rejected by any thinking christian!
Jesus changed the law.... No, Jesus never changed the Law. Jesus fulfilled the law!
No, Jesus is not the Father!
This is heresy my friend and not Christian teaching!
Jesus changed the law.... No, Jesus never changed the Law. Jesus fulfilled the law!
No, Jesus is not the Father!
This is heresy my friend and not Christian teaching!
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Not so fast.
You are correct in saying "One God, three persons. Each fully God, Co eternal, Co equal. Father, Son and Holy Spirit."
Isaiah 9:6 is also correct
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders.
And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
YES, i know the many scriptures where Jesus is speaking of His Father - also saying they are One and the Same, yet at times saying, the Father is greater then I.
Isaiah is True and so is every statement made of the Lord in OT and NT.
What is says to us is that the Eternal Elohim = Father, Son and Holy Spirit are completely beyond us and our limited comprehension.
So, we accept ALL the Scripture and allow time for it ALL to sink in and give us a better picture - Amen.
Worse thing to do would be to entertain the heresy(s) of JW, LDS and other false doctrines.
PEACE
You are correct in saying "One God, three persons. Each fully God, Co eternal, Co equal. Father, Son and Holy Spirit."
Isaiah 9:6 is also correct
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders.
And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
YES, i know the many scriptures where Jesus is speaking of His Father - also saying they are One and the Same, yet at times saying, the Father is greater then I.
Isaiah is True and so is every statement made of the Lord in OT and NT.
What is says to us is that the Eternal Elohim = Father, Son and Holy Spirit are completely beyond us and our limited comprehension.
So, we accept ALL the Scripture and allow time for it ALL to sink in and give us a better picture - Amen.
Worse thing to do would be to entertain the heresy(s) of JW, LDS and other false doctrines.
PEACE
See Hebrews 7:12.
Yes, of course Jesus fulfilled the law. He did so by changing it from the letter to the spirit. We are no longer bound to obey a set of do's and don'ts (the letter) but we are free to obey the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6).
See John 14:7-11, Isaiah 9:6 (kjv).
If it is heresy, why is it backed by holy scripture?
I think that you are also missing my point.
I am not saying that there is no distinction between Jesus and the Father.
I am saying that we have one God (James 2:19) who is one Spirit (John 4:24, Ephesians 4:4); and that therefore it is the same Spirit who inhabits eternity, without flesh (the Father), who dwells in flesh in the Person of the Son (John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11).
I think that you are getting hung up over semantics, personally.
Yes, of course Jesus fulfilled the law. He did so by changing it from the letter to the spirit. We are no longer bound to obey a set of do's and don'ts (the letter) but we are free to obey the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6).
See John 14:7-11, Isaiah 9:6 (kjv).
If it is heresy, why is it backed by holy scripture?
I think that you are also missing my point.
I am not saying that there is no distinction between Jesus and the Father.
I am saying that we have one God (James 2:19) who is one Spirit (John 4:24, Ephesians 4:4); and that therefore it is the same Spirit who inhabits eternity, without flesh (the Father), who dwells in flesh in the Person of the Son (John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11).
I think that you are getting hung up over semantics, personally.
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Ephesians 4:4-6
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
(Holy Spirit)
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
(The Messiah)
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
(The Most High)
Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 40:18
To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
Isaiah 40:25
To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
Psalm 95:3
For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Psalm 135:5
For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods.
John 14:28
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
(Holy Spirit)
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
(The Messiah)
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
(The Most High)
Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 40:18
To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
Isaiah 40:25
To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
Psalm 95:3
For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Psalm 135:5
For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods.
John 14:28
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Jesus gets his power from The Most High God… not the other way around. The Most High God sends His holy (set apart) spirit/ghost (energy)…. Not Jesus.
The Most High is referred to as:
Why is Jesus able to say he is “one” with The Father?
Eph 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
The Most High God is ALL, is above all, and is in all.
Why was it acceptable for Jesus to call himself God and the Son of God ?
John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
The Jews however were unlearned in the scriptures, so they considered Jesus to be blasphemous and a heretic.
The Most High is referred to as:
- THE MOST HIGH GOD
- THE ALMIGHTY
- Above all gods
- יהוה
Why is Jesus able to say he is “one” with The Father?
Eph 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
The Most High God is ALL, is above all, and is in all.
Why was it acceptable for Jesus to call himself God and the Son of God ?
John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
The Jews however were unlearned in the scriptures, so they considered Jesus to be blasphemous and a heretic.