Understanding God’s election

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Magenta

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from Revelation 3 verse 17-18 ~ You say, ‘I need nothing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.
 

Magenta

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Well the Blindness and Deafness is literally mentioned by Isaiah, Jesus, and Paul so the Holy Spirit of God mentioned it 3 times in the entire Bible. Yeah, probably not important like you say :unsure:
I'd ask you how many times God has to say something before it is accepted
as true but I suspect the truth would not be forthcoming from you.



Luke 4 verses 18-19 The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.
 

Magenta

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So now you switch and actually adopt what I stated months ago.:rolleyes:

What happened to regenerated before faith?
I think you missed reading into those three little dots. But it certainly played into your preference for ignoring that part.
 

Magenta

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FWers will tell us that all the above are just minor obstacles which their power of "freewill" can easily overcome. After all, God
has given us all an ability that He doesn't even have: We can make choices contrary to our nature. Long live Man's Freewill! :rolleyes:
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The editing time did not foul up your reply, try again and take personal responsibility for fouling up your reply by being sloppy,
not properly proofreading etc. Oh, wait. I think my expectations are out of line expecting you to act honourably. Never mind.
Well, I forgot to change the Scripture citations to the blue format in time, so sue me.

Instead of never-minding, it would behoove you to heed the fact that I have added passages on the website partly because of discussion with you, including:

1. Human nature was created good but not perfect (Gen. 1:31), and Jesus had a human nature that was perfected during his earthly life (Heb. 5:8-9), which moral perfection should be every Christian’s lifelong goal (Phil. 3:12-15). Humans are born selfish but innocent babies until they attain the stage of moral accountability or conscience (normally about the stage of pre-pubescence), comparable to when Adam and Eve became aware it was wrong to eat from the forbidden tree (Gen. 2:17).

2. This indicates that God graces every sinful soul with the ability or opportunity to understand how to be saved (Matt. 7:7, cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, Eze. 33:11), which might be called “seeking grace” (Tit. 2:11). As Hebrews 11:6 states: “he [God] rewards those who earnestly seek him” (cf. Isa. 45:19). Seeking God is the beginning of saving faith, and not seeking God or rejecting His salvation in Christ is the essence of evil atheism or faith in I-dolatry (Rom. 3:11, 1:18-23). All humans sin, but every sinner has the opportunity to repent/have saving faith (per Rom. 1:20, 2:7, 3:21-22, 4:16 & 5:8-19).

The factual truth is natural/sinful/wicked-hearted people who are inherently hostile to God CAN receive GW/have their heart circumcised, their eyes opened, their ears unstopped and come to the light just as you did and this applies to every morally accountable soul who has ever lived.

I think I understand why you will disagree, but I will refrain from assuming/inferring, which you call lying.
 

Cameron143

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Well, I forgot to change the Scripture citations to the blue format in time, so sue me.

Instead of never-minding, it would behoove you to heed the fact that I have added passages on the website partly because of discussion with you, including:

1. Human nature was created good but not perfect (Gen. 1:31), and Jesus had a human nature that was perfected during his earthly life (Heb. 5:8-9), which moral perfection should be every Christian’s lifelong goal (Phil. 3:12-15). Humans are born selfish but innocent babies until they attain the stage of moral accountability or conscience (normally about the stage of pre-pubescence), comparable to when Adam and Eve became aware it was wrong to eat from the forbidden tree (Gen. 2:17).

2. This indicates that God graces every sinful soul with the ability or opportunity to understand how to be saved (Matt. 7:7, cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, Eze. 33:11), which might be called “seeking grace” (Tit. 2:11). As Hebrews 11:6 states: “he [God] rewards those who earnestly seek him” (cf. Isa. 45:19). Seeking God is the beginning of saving faith, and not seeking God or rejecting His salvation in Christ is the essence of evil atheism or faith in I-dolatry (Rom. 3:11, 1:18-23). All humans sin, but every sinner has the opportunity to repent/have saving faith (per Rom. 1:20, 2:7, 3:21-22, 4:16 & 5:8-19).

The factual truth is natural/sinful/wicked-hearted people who are inherently hostile to God CAN receive GW/have their heart circumcised, their eyes opened, their ears unstopped and come to the light just as you did and this applies to every morally accountable soul who has ever lived.

I think I understand why you will disagree, but I will refrain from assuming/inferring, which you call lying.
Sure, if God does all those things for an individual, it is because He is saving them.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Sure, if God does all those things for an individual, it is because He is saving them.
He already did this to save people

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Pilgrimshope

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I've been on the same track all along...it is God who saves. Mankind is helpless to save themselves.
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you think man’s responsible for what God did to save humanity ?
 

lrs68

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I'd ask you how many times God has to say something before it is accepted
as true but I suspect the truth would not be forthcoming from you.



Luke 4 verses 18-19 The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.
He only needs to mention it one time But He also has mentioned to CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM TO SERVE and that HE DOESN'T DESIRE ANY TO PERISH BUT FOR THEM TO CHOOSE LIFE OR GOD many times and that is completely ignored for Potter\Clay one time mention because in your mathematics 1 time mention is more than many times.

Or maybe it's like what's being mentioned, you have an agenda to push a Doctrine that everyone knows is weak?
 

Cameron143

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He already did this to save people

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Read the next to the last paragraph in the post I cited. It spoke of God circumcising the heart, opening eyes, unstopping ears,...this is exactly what God does in saving an individual.