Understanding God’s election

[Kroogz]

The gospel doesn't offer choices. It merely declares the truth concerning salvation. Depending upon the soil, people will respond.

calvies have taught you well young one.

Jokes aside.

You just confirmed my post. You're a soil with a chance.

Where we are commanded to confirm the HOPE that is in us.

 

[Rufus]

Lol the Bible says the natural man doesn't seek God.
The Bible says God manifested Himself to people in many ways.
You are giving an answer that you clearly don't understand my position.
But once God manifest Himself to anyone of us we still are commanded to SERVE THE LORD.

Which means if God didn't take the initiative to actively seek out his chosen, covenant people whom he predestined in eternity to be saved, no one would be.

 

[Magenta]

You just confirmed my post. You're a soil with a chance.

Are you insinuating that Cameron is not yet saved?

 

[Cameron143]

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When we don’t realize there’s a New Testament

yes that’s what I was saying people can read tbat single scripture and misunderstand it

but the rest of the Bible talks about it also one verse theology never considers the other verses

“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

trying to base everything on how you are interpreting this single verse which is why I quoted all those other verses about how thoer names get blotted out of the book . You’re reading it as if only certain names were ever written in the book. Have to expand the information you take in about each subject

It’s saying that Jesus was purposed to be slain from the foundation of the world

“the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”

It’s referencing this

“but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world,

but was manifest in these last times for you,”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus was always going to have to die and be raised up it was determined before the beginning but wasn’t manifest ntil the gospel events were fulfilled and he was actually slain it is t talking about particular names being there since beforehand but Jesus and what he did being ordained from before the beginning

Is there any verse that says people whose names are not written in the book of Life are later written in?

 

[Kroogz]

According to Revelation 13:8, not every name is written in the book of Life.

Only believers are in the Book of Life. Their names CANNOT be blotted out.

All humans are in the book of the living.

Exodus 32:31-35
Then Moses returned to the LORD and said, “Oh, these people have committed a great sin, and have made for themselves a god of gold! Yet now, if You will forgive their sin—but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written.” And the LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

 

[Rufus]

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When we don’t realize there’s a New Testament

yes that’s what I was saying people can read tbat single scripture and misunderstand it

but the rest of the Bible talks about it also one verse theology never considers the other verses

“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

trying to base everything on how you are interpreting this single verse which is why I quoted all those other verses about how thoer names get blotted out of the book . You’re reading it as if only certain names were ever written in the book. Have to expand the information you take in about each subject

It’s saying that Jesus was purposed to be slain from the foundation of the world

“the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”

It’s referencing this

“but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world,

but was manifest in these last times for you,”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus was always going to have to die and be raised up it was determined before the beginning but wasn’t manifest ntil the gospel events were fulfilled and he was actually slain it is t talking about particular names being there since beforehand but Jesus and what he did being ordained from before the beginning

The "book of the living", mentioned only in the OT, and the book of life, mentioned only once in the OT (Ps 69:28) in 7 times in the NT are different books.

 

[Rufus]

Only believers are in the Book of Life. Their names CANNOT be blotted out.

All humans are in the book of the living.

Exodus 32:31-35
Then Moses returned to the LORD and said, “Oh, these people have committed a great sin, and have made for themselves a god of gold! Yet now, if You will forgive their sin—but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written.” And the LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

Yes, you are correct in that. But not all humans are in the book of life. Again...two different books. The "book of the living" deals with people physically alive; whereas the "book of life" speaks to those who are spiritually alive.

 

[Kroogz]

Are you insinuating that Cameron is not yet saved?

You calvies are incorrigible.

And you insinuate that we don't understand you!

You guys are considered saved in my book.

Very well versed, know the biblical stories and intellectual. But BABES in doctrine.

 

[Cameron143]

calvies have taught you well young one.

Jokes aside.

You just confirmed my post. You're a soil with a chance.

Where we are commanded to confirm the HOPE that is in us.

I haven't told you whether I believe anything I've written. I have been speaking from the Calvinist position simply to show that people don't really understand what Calvinists believe.

As a little exercise, can you find a video of a large crop being harvested from the wayside or stony places?

 

[Kroogz]

Yes, you are correct in that. But not all humans are in the book of life. Again...two different books. The "book of the living" deals with people physically alive; whereas the "book of life" speaks to those who are spiritually alive.

You just repeated what I said. Thanks.

 

[Cameron143]

Only believers are in the Book of Life. Their names CANNOT be blotted out.

All humans are in the book of the living.

Exodus 32:31-35
Then Moses returned to the LORD and said, “Oh, these people have committed a great sin, and have made for themselves a god of gold! Yet now, if You will forgive their sin—but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written.” And the LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

Where in scripture does it say everyone is in the book of Life?

 

[lrs68]

Which means if God didn't take the initiative to actively seek out his chosen, covenant people whom he predestined in eternity to be saved, no one would be.

I am not denying that fact but saying since God manifests Himself to everyone then everyone has the opportunity to be saved should they choose to Serve the Lord.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Is there any verse that says people whose names are not written in the book of Life are later written in?

Lol Brother….. always good to discuss either way I’ll let you continue with your discussion

 

[Kroogz]

This is why Doctrine is important.

Read my post again.

There is a book of Life. Believers only.

There is a book of the living. All humans.

There are books of work and deeds.


Revelation~~The BOOKS were opened.

Where in scripture does it say everyone is in the book of Life?

 

[Kroogz]

I haven't told you whether I believe anything I've written. I have been speaking from the Calvinist position simply to show that people don't really understand what Calvinists believe.

Well, you must be doing a horrible job since none of us understand.

Just imagine how confusing it is for the unbeliever.

Good Job!

 

[Cameron143]

This is why Doctrine is important.

Read my post again.

There is a book of Life. Believers only.

There is a book of the living. All humans.

There are books of work and deeds.


Revelation~~The BOOKS were opened.

How do you distinguish the book of living from the book Life? Where do you find this in scripture?

 

[Kroogz]

How do you distinguish the book of living from the book Life? Where do you find this in scripture?

Exodus 32:31-35
Then Moses returned to the LORD and said, “Oh, these people have committed a great sin, and have made for themselves a god of gold! Yet now, if You will forgive their sin—but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written.” And the LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

The book of the living.

Believers cannot be blotted out of the book of Life. Eternal security.

Whoever does not believe(Sinned against Him) will be blotted out of the book of the living.

 

[Cameron143]

Well, you must be doing a horrible job since none of us understand.

Just imagine how confusing it is for the unbeliever.

Good Job!

Of course you don't understand. You believe that the gospel is about choosing rather than a declaration of truth, that soils can change themselves into other soils, and that the book of Life wasn't written before the foundation of the world.

 

[Cameron143]

Exodus 32:31-35
Then Moses returned to the LORD and said, “Oh, these people have committed a great sin, and have made for themselves a god of gold! Yet now, if You will forgive their sin—but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written.” And the LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

The book of the living.

Believers cannot be blotted out of the book of Life. Eternal security.

Whoever does not believe(Sinned against Him) will be blotted out of the book of the living.

There is no foundation for the book being spoken of as the book of the living. There is no scripture that ever introduces a book of the living. You have to assume that into the passage.

 

[Kroogz]

There is no foundation for the book being spoken of as the book of the living. There is no scripture that ever introduces a book of the living. You have to assume that into the passage.

Your conclusion then?

Believers can be blotted out of the Book of Life?

Or is there another book that people can be blotted out from?

Call it what you want.

Believers CANNOT be blotted out of the book of Life. So there is another book.