Understanding God’s election

[Mem]

On the one hand I in essence so agree. On the other hand, people including if not especially professing Christians, don't shock me that much anymore if at all. It just is.

Thanks for being someone who is still digging out the treasure. Thankfully God still has His who are doing this at varying level around this globe.

Thanks for your determination in cleaning up the hot mess strewn all over these walls. It requires a certain steel resolve, I'm sure, and a generous amount of it to match the workload. And the pictures you so neatly hang on them are, imo, masterfully detailed gorgeous depictions of Christ our Lord... Oh, wait! I see they're actually mirrors!

 

[Rufus]

Quite wrong, but consistently traditional error.

You don't understand metaphors at all, do you? Besides, don't you know that the Son gives life to whom He wishes (Jn 5:21), and the Spirit gives life to whom he wishes (Jn 3:8; 6:63), and the Father gives and draws to the Son whom he wishes.

 

[Rufus]

Different than or along the same course as what I posted from 2Cor4?

And if you keep going in John12:

NET John12:42-43 Nevertheless, even among the rulers many believed in him, but because of the Pharisees they would not confess Jesus to be the Christ, so that they would not be put out of the synagogue. 41 Isaiah said these things because he saw Christ's glory, and spoke about him. 43 For they loved praise from men more than praise from God.

Much here to unravel, but Scripture is consistent. Some don't believe. Some do believe.

Shirley U R the master of understatements -- a breathing, walking, talking self-styled paragon of wisdom. Some believe, some don't? Who would have ever thunk? But in your world, the difference between the two groups -- the "haves" and "have nots" are the haves and have nots themselves. Meanwhile, the Word of God teaches that God long ago took from the one pile of have nots and made from them a second pile of haves. (Check out Rom 9 some day.) The biblical view is that God makes the difference, not vile, filthy, depraved, God-hating, Christ-hating, knowledge-hating, wisdom-hating, God-reviling, world-loving, self-loving, pleasure-loving, money-loving, darkness-loving children of the devil. The elect love God because He loved them first; the elect know God because he knew them first; the elect became sons and daughters of God because he not only initiated the work of salvation but will see it through to its completion.

Go pedal your man-exalting, humanistic theology somewhere else.