Understanding God’s election
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Yes, they are apart - completely apart - and that is why God refers to them to as the new heavens and new earth - because they are unlike this world in every sense - apart, regarding their spiritual doctrine and truth amongst other things. The spiritual - the perfect -cannot be perceived, taught or learned by using a corrupted, sinful, satan controlled world as this one is, as a basis.
Since God chose to make known to us the distinction between the two in the verses you've chosen to discard, means you are blind to their truth - even treating them with distain - which is probably evidence that you remain that natural man described with the same verses, at least for now, incapable of comprehending things spiritual.
Since God chose to make known to us the distinction between the two in the verses you've chosen to discard, means you are blind to their truth - even treating them with distain - which is probably evidence that you remain that natural man described with the same verses, at least for now, incapable of comprehending things spiritual.
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That is a bit of an odd thing to say given how many completely disregard the differences between
the natural man and the spiritual man. You may be among them, too, but I know Roger definitely
is not, for he has an understanding many lack, and those many contradict Jesus on a regular basis.
The many who regularly contradict Jesus deny a plethora of other Scriptural verses as well.
Biblical truth concerning the natural man: The flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. The mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Flesh serves the law of sin. Good itself does not dwell in me.
the natural man and the spiritual man. You may be among them, too, but I know Roger definitely
is not, for he has an understanding many lack, and those many contradict Jesus on a regular basis.
The many who regularly contradict Jesus deny a plethora of other Scriptural verses as well.
Biblical truth concerning the natural man: The flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. The mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Flesh serves the law of sin. Good itself does not dwell in me.
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Heh, I doubt they can. They would probably just as soon tell you that the natural man can
receive and comprehend the spiritual things of God even though Scripture says otherwise.
That darkness loves the light. That a corrupt tree can bring forth good fruit. That the stony ground
of the natural man's uncircumcised heart is perfect for growing the fruit of faith. That the inherently
hostile-to-God mind will simply decide to believe that which is foolishness to them. Etc etc LOL
It is amazing how much gets overthrown for them generally speaking) to hold to their view.
Psalm 14:1-3; Job 15:16
receive and comprehend the spiritual things of God even though Scripture says otherwise.
That darkness loves the light. That a corrupt tree can bring forth good fruit. That the stony ground
of the natural man's uncircumcised heart is perfect for growing the fruit of faith. That the inherently
hostile-to-God mind will simply decide to believe that which is foolishness to them. Etc etc LOL
It is amazing how much gets overthrown for them generally speaking) to hold to their view.
Psalm 14:1-3; Job 15:16
Paul also uses many comparisons of spiritual things to earthly things, perhaps, he cannot comprehend the spiritual nature of parables. 1cor2
1 Cor. 3
3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1 Cor. 3
3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
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Here's the gospel that needs to be received. Understanding the spiritual nature of this is the need to receive it or believe it according to the scriptures. Believing the gospel saves, rejecting it condemns.
1 Cor. 15
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1 Cor. 15
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
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Heh, I doubt they can. They would probably just as soon tell you that the natural man can
receive and comprehend the spiritual things of God even though Scripture says otherwise.
That darkness loves the light. That a corrupt tree can bring forth good fruit. That the stony ground
of the natural man's uncircumcised heart is perfect for growing the fruit of faith. That the inherently
hostile-to-God mind will simply decide to believe that which is foolishness to them. Etc etc LOL
It is amazing how much gets overthrown for them generally speaking) to hold to their view.
Psalm 14:1-3; Job 15:16
receive and comprehend the spiritual things of God even though Scripture says otherwise.
That darkness loves the light. That a corrupt tree can bring forth good fruit. That the stony ground
of the natural man's uncircumcised heart is perfect for growing the fruit of faith. That the inherently
hostile-to-God mind will simply decide to believe that which is foolishness to them. Etc etc LOL
It is amazing how much gets overthrown for them generally speaking) to hold to their view.
Psalm 14:1-3; Job 15:16
I just want to add in context, there were people who going about stating that Jesus had not risen from the dead and Paul was reminding them that if Jesus had not risen from the dead then their belief was in vain.
They were saved, but were falling prey to false teachings because they were being persuaded by human reasoning... yet Paul is reminding them that they need to rely upon the spiritual understanding they have been given after their conversions.
Tiresome how Calvinists rip texts out of context. Very tiresome.
They were saved, but were falling prey to false teachings because they were being persuaded by human reasoning... yet Paul is reminding them that they need to rely upon the spiritual understanding they have been given after their conversions.
Tiresome how Calvinists rip texts out of context. Very tiresome.
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Since they lack the spiritual discernment to differentiate who and what the natural man is compared to
the spiritual man, it is understandable that they ascribe to one what only the other possesses, but it
makes them no less wrong in their thinking and beliefs. Still it is somewhat puzzling how such a huge
part of Scripture gets overlooked, denied, and swept under the rug. That guy that Scripture has so much
to say about in the Bible, the very reason Jesus came to save us, does not exist in their mind sets.
the spiritual man, it is understandable that they ascribe to one what only the other possesses, but it
makes them no less wrong in their thinking and beliefs. Still it is somewhat puzzling how such a huge
part of Scripture gets overlooked, denied, and swept under the rug. That guy that Scripture has so much
to say about in the Bible, the very reason Jesus came to save us, does not exist in their mind sets.
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Not only invisibly non-existent, but to that is added the belief that God is unfair to act unilaterally
in drawing us with loving kindness. I saw one such claim in another thread that she preferred not
to put God in a box, but that is exactly what they do. They are blind to their own folly, as well.
in drawing us with loving kindness. I saw one such claim in another thread that she preferred not
to put God in a box, but that is exactly what they do. They are blind to their own folly, as well.
