Understanding God’s election
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Who are you evangelizing if God has already chosen who goes where? I didn't use any name for Calvinists so you can stop that. I have close friends that I fellowship with that believe parts of TULIP and we love each other like family. So don't put words in my mouth I did not say please. I have fellow-shipped in just about every denomination you can name, and found brothers and sisters there.
Good thing I'm not a Calvanist.
Those fixed on seeing Calvinists everywhere here fail then to see the Scriptures as written.
Revelation 13:8
And all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
Those fixed on seeing Calvinists everywhere here fail then to see the Scriptures as written.
Revelation 13:8
And all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
Yes, of course they are made of people!!! smh Gods raises up and brings down nations. That does not say He created people and pre-planned which would go to heaven and which would go to hell. I get that's a reformed/ Calvinists favorite proof text. Now, where is the error you sighted in the other verses??
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I think what is getting overlooked in this discussion is and according to scripture that people are born with a human nature that separates them from God and makes them unable to understand the things of God.
As Paul taught us. Unless the Holy Spirit interceded, fallen man will remain unable to understand the things of God because they are foolishness to him.
Man remains in that state unless the Holy Spirit intercedes so that man can understand the things of God.
Let us couple with that what Jesus told His Disciples. No one can come to Him unless the Father leads them.
Natural minds cannot understand the things of God.
Unless God changes that through His intercession.
This is why God tells us through Paul's writings that we do not Save ourselves so that we might boast of that. No.
We are irrevocably Saved through Faith by God's grace. Not of ourselves. Because remember our self is that natural man,woman,unable to understand the things of God.
God is Sovereign and has Dominion over His creation.
Here's why the idea God saves everyone if they choose Him are missing the point.
Everyone is born with their human nature that,as He told us, makes him unable to understand the things of God. Which means unless God intercedes by His grace natural man dies in their worldly Sin nature.
Isaiah 45:7-9
We can't believe in God if we refuse to accept He is whom He says He is.
If God intended Salvation for all people He wouldn't have put conditions on how Salvation is accomplished.
No one can come to me unless the Father leads them.
The only way they follow His leading is if he first lifts their innate inability to understand those things of God. The Gospel.
Grace Saves.
As Paul taught us. Unless the Holy Spirit interceded, fallen man will remain unable to understand the things of God because they are foolishness to him.
Man remains in that state unless the Holy Spirit intercedes so that man can understand the things of God.
Let us couple with that what Jesus told His Disciples. No one can come to Him unless the Father leads them.
Natural minds cannot understand the things of God.
Unless God changes that through His intercession.
This is why God tells us through Paul's writings that we do not Save ourselves so that we might boast of that. No.
We are irrevocably Saved through Faith by God's grace. Not of ourselves. Because remember our self is that natural man,woman,unable to understand the things of God.
God is Sovereign and has Dominion over His creation.
Here's why the idea God saves everyone if they choose Him are missing the point.
Everyone is born with their human nature that,as He told us, makes him unable to understand the things of God. Which means unless God intercedes by His grace natural man dies in their worldly Sin nature.
Isaiah 45:7-9
We can't believe in God if we refuse to accept He is whom He says He is.
If God intended Salvation for all people He wouldn't have put conditions on how Salvation is accomplished.
No one can come to me unless the Father leads them.
The only way they follow His leading is if he first lifts their innate inability to understand those things of God. The Gospel.
Grace Saves.
John 16:8-9
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Matt 27:51
And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
John 12:32
32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
Luke 3:6
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’ ”
2 Cor 6:2
For He says: “In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
Acts 16:31~~~Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved....
Equal privilege, equal opportunity for ALL.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Matt 27:51
And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
John 12:32
32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
Luke 3:6
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’ ”
2 Cor 6:2
For He says: “In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
Acts 16:31~~~Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved....
Equal privilege, equal opportunity for ALL.