Understanding God’s election
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Actually its the other way around, those who falsely teach Christ died for everyone and yet everyone isnt saved, they are saying adam was more successful in condemning everyone he represented, but Christ wasn't, since many He died for will still perish.
Everyone limits the atonement, either limit it in its extent or its efficaciousness, those who are sound in the faith limit it in its extent, only for the elect and it saved them, the opposers limit it in its efficasiousness and say its not effective to save unless man does something to supplement it.
Everyone limits the atonement, either limit it in its extent or its efficaciousness, those who are sound in the faith limit it in its extent, only for the elect and it saved them, the opposers limit it in its efficasiousness and say its not effective to save unless man does something to supplement it.
I notice that as well, along with the ole this is "who god is, deal with it" or "who are you to question god's ways."
We see their affirmation over and over...... mankind is justly punished even though they were born “unable-to-respond” willingly to God’s revelation.
But we are the one's with the wrong character of God.
They say it is man's nature that a person cannot believe, but they are not fooling anyone, what they are really saying is god picked me by regenerating and giving me belief.
This is not about god's sovereignty this is at its essence an egocentric doctrine.
We see their affirmation over and over...... mankind is justly punished even though they were born “unable-to-respond” willingly to God’s revelation.
But we are the one's with the wrong character of God.
They say it is man's nature that a person cannot believe, but they are not fooling anyone, what they are really saying is god picked me by regenerating and giving me belief.
This is not about god's sovereignty this is at its essence an egocentric doctrine.
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I would never tell you anything personal ever!
Here is the truth about the false doctrine of regeneration preceding faith.
Sadly we can only do so much repeating of why this is absolutely wrong and nowhere in scripture, I suppose people will fall for this impossible doctrine according to the Greek textual analysis, hermeneutics and context.
It is tragic.
1. There is no Biblical text that connects faith and regeneration in a grammatical structure that prescribes an order that supports regeneration preceding faith. Nor is there any statement in Scripture which precludes faith preceding regeneration.
2. There are biblical texts connecting faith and regeneration that support faith preceding regeneration.
3. There are texts that would seem to preclude the possibility of regeneration preceding faith. There is no Scripture anywhere that directly says regeneration precedes faith. That is a theological deduction made by some Calvinists that is driven more by their system than it is by Scripture. The Scripture says things like, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved,” as Paul said to the Philippian jailer in Acts 16.
Brian Abasciano, “Does Regeneration Precede Faith? The Use of 1 John 5:21 as a Proof Text,” 307–22.
Here is the truth about the false doctrine of regeneration preceding faith.
Sadly we can only do so much repeating of why this is absolutely wrong and nowhere in scripture, I suppose people will fall for this impossible doctrine according to the Greek textual analysis, hermeneutics and context.
It is tragic.
1. There is no Biblical text that connects faith and regeneration in a grammatical structure that prescribes an order that supports regeneration preceding faith. Nor is there any statement in Scripture which precludes faith preceding regeneration.
2. There are biblical texts connecting faith and regeneration that support faith preceding regeneration.
3. There are texts that would seem to preclude the possibility of regeneration preceding faith. There is no Scripture anywhere that directly says regeneration precedes faith. That is a theological deduction made by some Calvinists that is driven more by their system than it is by Scripture. The Scripture says things like, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved,” as Paul said to the Philippian jailer in Acts 16.
Brian Abasciano, “Does Regeneration Precede Faith? The Use of 1 John 5:21 as a Proof Text,” 307–22.
Yup. Just listen to @ParticularWife
Its endless high sounding philosophizing, all of it shucking and jiving around the straightforward answers and dodging simple Biblical truth.
Its endless high sounding philosophizing, all of it shucking and jiving around the straightforward answers and dodging simple Biblical truth.
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Why did Jesus send his apostles out to preach the gospel to everyone ?
“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:13-15, 17 KJV
So that they could hear his word and be saved …..
“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:13-15, 17 KJV
So that they could hear his word and be saved …..
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From an earlier post:
This utterly DESTROYS every bogus Calvinite pretention and misapprehension there every was. All of them.
Root and branch......all burned up.
And no Calvinite will be able to drop enough "philosophical chaos bombs" ® to make this not make perfect sense.
Bombproof Biblical boilerplate it is.
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Here you go genius....
Now that you know the truth, are you going to hide it like the guy that hid the talent?
Now we have received G2983 , not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Outline of Biblical Usage
[2Ki 6:5 KJV]
But as one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water: and he cried, and said, Alas, master! for it was borrowed.
[2Ki 6:6 KJV]
And the man of God said, Where fell it? And he shewed him the place. And he cut down a stick, and cast [it] in thither; and the iron did swim.
[2Ki 6:7 KJV]
Therefore said (COMMANDED) he (the Man of God aka the God-Man), Take [it] up to thee. And he put out his hand, and took it.
This utterly DESTROYS every bogus Calvinite pretention and misapprehension there every was. All of them.
Root and branch......all burned up.
And no Calvinite will be able to drop enough "philosophical chaos bombs" ® to make this not make perfect sense.
Bombproof Biblical boilerplate it is.
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Here you go genius....
Now that you know the truth, are you going to hide it like the guy that hid the talent?
Now we have received G2983 , not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Outline of Biblical Usage
- to take
- to take with the hand, lay hold of, any person or thing in order to use it
- to take up a thing to be carried
- to take upon one's self
- to take with the hand, lay hold of, any person or thing in order to use it
[2Ki 6:5 KJV]
But as one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water: and he cried, and said, Alas, master! for it was borrowed.
[2Ki 6:6 KJV]
And the man of God said, Where fell it? And he shewed him the place. And he cut down a stick, and cast [it] in thither; and the iron did swim.
[2Ki 6:7 KJV]
Therefore said (COMMANDED) he (the Man of God aka the God-Man), Take [it] up to thee. And he put out his hand, and took it.
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I notice that as well, along with the ole this is "who god is, deal with it" or "who are you to question god's ways."
We see their affirmation over and over...... mankind is justly punished even though they were born “unable-to-respond” willingly to God’s revelation.
But we are the one's with the wrong character of God.
They say it is man's nature that a person cannot believe, but they are not fooling anyone, what they are really saying is god picked me by regenerating and giving me belief.
This is not about god's sovereignty this is at its essence an egocentric doctrine.
We see their affirmation over and over...... mankind is justly punished even though they were born “unable-to-respond” willingly to God’s revelation.
But we are the one's with the wrong character of God.
They say it is man's nature that a person cannot believe, but they are not fooling anyone, what they are really saying is god picked me by regenerating and giving me belief.
This is not about god's sovereignty this is at its essence an egocentric doctrine.
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Their god's response:
You really should be blaming Adam and Eve, after all I was gracious enough to save some by enabling them to respond to the Gospel,
what more do you want of me?
I mean you are only going where you were headed anyway, right?
If after the fall I left you with any ability to believe and respond positively to my offer and appeals what GLORY would I get?
Do not look at the cross that is only for some, those that received my special enabling and regeneration.
Jesus did not really love everyone, nor was He being honest when is called people to believe on Him, if you study the Greek real hard you will see that "ALL" is really "SOME" most of the time.
This is my justice, even though as a fallen human you can see it not really just, too bad you did not go to planet Cognitive Dissonance maybe then I may have had mercy on you and bequeathed my special irresistible grace!!
I would say better luck next time, but there is no next time.
This one post alone pulls back the curtain on Calvinite-ism and shows who is pulling the levers.
Jesus did similarly with the clueless pharisees. A couple of passages and POOF bye bye heresies.
https://christianchat.com/threads/understanding-god’s-election.216907/post-5432208
Jesus did similarly with the clueless pharisees. A couple of passages and POOF bye bye heresies.
https://christianchat.com/threads/understanding-god’s-election.216907/post-5432208
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