Understanding God’s election

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ChristRoseFromTheDead

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Genez said:


"For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh."​

Romans 7:18a​


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The idea that flesh, ie physical substance, is evil is a gnostic idea. God called everything he made good and called man very good. That didn't change after Adam's fall.

Do you understand the concept of relational goodness? Compared to God, the father, nothing created of itself is good. Jesus' flesh was created.

And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Luke 18:18-19​
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There is nothing in the flesh, Jesus' included, that knows how to do the will of God. Therefore it is not good in terms of righteousness. Righteousness comes from the spirit, even for Jesus. Therefore, man walks righteously by following the spirit, not the impulses of the flesh
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
One more time

Eph 2: 8
8 For by grace you have been saved

Prety self explanitory. I have been saved solely by the grace of God

through faith,

But God will not force it on me. It is recieved through faith.


and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Again, prety self explanatory. The grace that saved me through me trusting him, is not of myself. and is not of works..

So why do you keep insisting that me recieving his grace gift negates grace? It is how we recieve grace.

the only other option is to reject it.

How do you reject grace?

1. Trying to work for it (not of works)
2. Outright rejection of it completely (Love your sin)
3. Denying you even need it (like the jews who denied Christ who came to save them)
and I am sure I can come up0 with other ways.
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When a person believes God only loves those He specifically chose and gave only those people the ability to "believe" is there really any common ground to build upon?
To me that is a different religion, not Christianity.
 
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