Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality
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Ok guys and gals, I'm now off to bed.
I wish you all well and thank you for the debate.
My intention here has been no more than to do what Jesus did when he told people to not throw stones at the prostitute.
I know that a handful of you have intended to accuse me of unscriptural deeds however none of this will stick because my intention has not been what some of you have said it has been.
Night night.
I wish you all well and thank you for the debate.
My intention here has been no more than to do what Jesus did when he told people to not throw stones at the prostitute.
I know that a handful of you have intended to accuse me of unscriptural deeds however none of this will stick because my intention has not been what some of you have said it has been.
Night night.
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God's love is not conditional. He loved the whole world so much He sent His only Son to die in the place of sinners...all of us
what is conditional, is forgiveness of sin
you cannot have sins forgiven through good deeds or prayer.
For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age. Titus 2: 11-12
So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. Hebrews 9:28
Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5: 7-8
what is conditional, is forgiveness of sin
you cannot have sins forgiven through good deeds or prayer.
For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age. Titus 2: 11-12
So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. Hebrews 9:28
Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5: 7-8
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you state in your bio you have been saved since 2018. I do not believe you have the wherewithal or the experience to expound on the practice of churches other than perhaps a few you might have attended
you seem to believe in a very liberal gospel and that is not the gospel of Jesus Christ
you cannot make up your own gospel and homosexuality is a sin, that is mentioned in both testaments
Actually what defines the love of Christ is His obedience to the Father in coming to earth and dying for us while we were still enslaved by sin.
You actually have a very limited worldview of church and apparently have no idea of the many ministries that are available to people at no cost and the fact that your are painting everyone with a very broad brush indicates your limited experience
we do not condemn sin. It is God who condemns sin. He is the one you need to deal with if you find that offensive
you seem to believe in a very liberal gospel and that is not the gospel of Jesus Christ
you cannot make up your own gospel and homosexuality is a sin, that is mentioned in both testaments
Actually what defines the love of Christ is His obedience to the Father in coming to earth and dying for us while we were still enslaved by sin.
You actually have a very limited worldview of church and apparently have no idea of the many ministries that are available to people at no cost and the fact that your are painting everyone with a very broad brush indicates your limited experience
we do not condemn sin. It is God who condemns sin. He is the one you need to deal with if you find that offensive
I would see this the same way in which perhaps someone who has a problem with same sex attraction, but is sleeping with as many women as he can ,because that's what he is struggling to deal with . He is just that way ' inclined ' . How would you deal with him if you were a pastor ? In love of course ,we should not hate him or abuse him . What's your thoughts?
The problem with how the Church has treated "gays" is two-fold: Christians fail to demonstrate love in their outreach; and they fail to present clearly the need for repentance as part of the conversion process.
The result is that people are either turned away by unloving behaviour, or they are welcomed in without having owned and dealt with their sin and brokenness. Neither situation is desirable.
The result is that people are either turned away by unloving behaviour, or they are welcomed in without having owned and dealt with their sin and brokenness. Neither situation is desirable.
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I have little doubt that some of you would not recognise Jesus if He were to return today.
If He were to reveal Himself to you, some of you would seek to test Him, and question Him in such a way as to entrap Him in His words.
Some of you would find His message so repulsive that you would reject Him.
Let's wait and see...
If He were to reveal Himself to you, some of you would seek to test Him, and question Him in such a way as to entrap Him in His words.
Some of you would find His message so repulsive that you would reject Him.
Let's wait and see...
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It is not the churchs position to offer unconditional love. It is the Lords position to offer that.
The church is for fellowship of brothers in Christ to come and worship and learn and to teach.
If a person feels "uncomfortable" with the eyes of the church on them imagine how "uncomfortable" they will be in the presence of God.
Unconditional love from the church to serial killers? Serial rapists? Child molestors?
No. The offer for them from the church is to come to Jesus. That is the way, the only way, they will receive unconditional love.
Anyone thinking they will receive unconditional love from a church just doesn't understand what a church is.
Casting stones doesn't mean you never tell someone that what they are doing is wrong. It means you don't put them to death for it.
The church is for fellowship of brothers in Christ to come and worship and learn and to teach.
If a person feels "uncomfortable" with the eyes of the church on them imagine how "uncomfortable" they will be in the presence of God.
Unconditional love from the church to serial killers? Serial rapists? Child molestors?
No. The offer for them from the church is to come to Jesus. That is the way, the only way, they will receive unconditional love.
Anyone thinking they will receive unconditional love from a church just doesn't understand what a church is.
Casting stones doesn't mean you never tell someone that what they are doing is wrong. It means you don't put them to death for it.
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There is a very big difference between having a flesh that is tempted by perversions, seeing them as evil and wanting to be delivered from them.... and someone taking pride in their perverse addictions and lying about God even and saying He made them that way.
If a person who identifies as "gay" even loves God a tiny bit, they would actually see their perverted addictions to a form of lust as evil.
If a person looks to scripture to try to prove one of their evil desires is actually good, it shows they have no concern for what God said and it is about what they want.
Love is not bending to others destructive desires that God hates, it is wanting the best for them to the point of self sacrifice.
If I saw someone in love with worldly temporal evil deeds, I would share with them how vile that is and how God is more powerful than those desires and can free them from something as weak as a temporal lust of the flesh. (even if they have fallen so in love with this perversion they identify with it)
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