Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality

[JerryInBoston]

yeeeeeeeeeeA, NO. FIRST, U NEED TO REMMEBER THAT WHEN JESUS WAS ALIVE, THE FATHERS MERCY HAD NOT YET BEEN BESTOWED UPON ALL OF MANKIND.
You are right, when you are healed (accept the gift of the Holy Spirit) you will want to repent and stop sinning. U only have to repent once though. Once I do a U turn, if I U turn again, then Im headed in the original WRONG direction. Our sin is already gone, done, vanished, kaput. God has already wiped the board clean. God forgive me for I have sinned. today I......blah blah blah,,,,,,GOD replies, "what sin"
ONCE THE BILL IS PAID IN FULL, IT IS ALWAYS PAID IN FULL. If we want to ask forgiveness from people we have harmed, and pay restitution, that is another issue.
Jesus does expect us to be obidient to His commands. And what were the only two he isted in order. Love God...Love your neighbor. The rest he did not put in any list of importace.

So, go look it up, what did Jesus command? Did he say dont murderr? Lie, cheat , fornicate?

• List of 50 of Jesus' Commands Statement of each command and scripture reference.
• Commands #1-6 Repent, do not be troubled, follow me, rejoice, let your light shine, honor God's law.
• Commands #7-12 Be reconciled, no adultery, keep your word, go the second mile, love your enemies, be perfect.
• Commands #13-17 Practice secret disciplines, lay up treasures in heaven, seek the Kingdom of God, judge not, Don't throw pearls to pigs.
• Commands #18-21 Ask, seek, knock, do unto others, choose the narrow way, beware of false prophets.
• Commands #22-25 Pray, be shrewd as serpents, fear God, listen to God.
• Commands #26-29 Take my yoke, honor your parents, beware false teaching, deny yourself.
• Commands #30-32 Do not despise children, go to those who offend you, forgive offenders.
• Commands #33-34 Beware of covetousness, honor marriage.
• Commands #35-37 Lead by being a servant, make church a house of prayer, pray in faith.
• Commands #38-39 Bring in the poor, render unto Caesar.
• Commands #40-41 Love the Lord, love your neighbor.
• Commands #42-43 Be born again, await my return.
• Commands #44-45 Celebrate the Lord's supper, keep my commandments.
• Commands #46-47 Watch and pray, feed my sheep.
• Commands #48-50 Make disciples, teach disciples to obey, receive God's power.

That is a comprehensive list of all of His commands. SOme are basic repetitions. i.e. the first 1-6 commands, has 6 of them. as does 7-12
the next highest number is 5 commands hence 13-17 then 4, hence 18-21 and so on.

I DO NOT SEE DONT MURDER, LIE, CHEAT STEAL, ETC ETC. ON THERE

Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Does disobeying God by sinning show your love for God?

Love your neighbor. Does sinning against your neighbor show your love for your neighbor?

When you sin today, do you confess it to the Lord and ask forgiveness?

When you repented, did you do turn around and forsake sin altogether and now live in sinless perfection? When you continue to live in sin, you haven't truly repented because you are being disobedient to Christ's command for sinners to repent.

We must repent and believe the gospel, and when we have truly done so we will have turned from sin in our lives to show our love for God and toward others. If we stumble and sin, we must confess our sin to the Lord, and Lord is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us of unrighteousness. Otherwise, when you believe as you believe, then you have not truly repented, and you are certainly not showing your love for God by continuing to live in sin. You have been following false teachings.

 

[DADZ]

Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Does disobeying God by sinning show your love for God?

Love your neighbor. Does sinning against your neighbor show your love for your neighbor?

When you sin today, do you confess it to the Lord and ask forgiveness?

When you repented, did you do turn around and forsake sin altogether and now live in sinless perfection? When you continue to live in sin, you haven't truly repented because you are being disobedient to Christ's command for sinners to repent.

We must repent and believe the gospel, and when we have truly done so we will have turned from sin in our lives to show our love for God and toward others. If we stumble and sin, we must confess our sin to the Lord, and Lord is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us of unrighteousness. Otherwise, when you believe as you believe, then you have not truly repented, and you are certainly not showing your love for God by continuing to live in sin. You have been following false teachings.

I asked to be shown one command of Jesus where he said NOT to do something. You example are relevant. Cmon, just admit it, you have just bee schooled.N

No I dont confess my sins, he already knows them, I already know them, and no I dont ask forgivness, he already has.

and who the heck are you to say Im not saved. You dont know me, I didnt say you arent saved, so just because I think theologically differerent than u, that means Im not saved. LAUGHABLE. I think God says Jesus will be the judge, **edited**

 

[Subhumanoidal]

what is christian, mr holier than thou, pride is more of a sin, your pride of being saved and Im not laughable

Yeah. If you're this mad at people on this site already, you're not going to last long. You'll need much thicker skin to exist on this site. Because you can expect a lot more of the same on here.
As far as preaching to someone else about their pride that seems a bit of a pot/kettle thing.

 

[NotmebutHim]

Here we go again.....................

 

[Christopher_bearer_of]

Just going to chime in here as the same point keep being brought up...

Nobody is suggesting that homosexuality is not defined as sin in the Bible. Even the homosexual gentleman on this thread acknowledged this.

The issue is how we deal with members of the Church who are homosexual. My suggestion is that we show them love rather than passive aggression, spiritual abuse or manipulation.
We should not pretend that homosexuality is any worse than any other sin, as some people seem to do.

'Show them love' - This is so weak. You come in here talking about how Christian churches suck basically demanding they his forum tells you how to treat Hs and all you have is 'show them love.' Weak.

 

[JerryInBoston]

I asked to be shown one command of Jesus where he said NOT to do something. You example are relevant. Cmon, just admit it, you have just bee schooled.N

No I dont confess my sins, he already knows them, I already know them, and no I dont ask forgivness, he already has.

and who the heck are you to say Im not saved. You dont know me, I didnt say you arent saved, so just because I think theologically differerent than u, that means Im not saved. LAUGHABLE. I think God says Jesus will be the judge, **edited**

Jesus said love God and your neighbor. Implied in loving God and your neighbor is you refraining from sinning against God and your neighbor. Sinning with no intent to stop sinning is lawlessness. Do you think you can just keep on sinning and practicing lawlessness and there be no consequences? Jesus will say "I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’" Mt. 7:23.

 

[JerryInBoston]

I asked to be shown one command of Jesus where he said NOT to do something. You example are relevant. Cmon, just admit it, you have just bee schooled.N

No I dont confess my sins, he already knows them, I already know them, and no I dont ask forgivness, he already has.

and who the heck are you to say Im not saved. You dont know me, I didnt say you arent saved, so just because I think theologically differerent than u, that means Im not saved. LAUGHABLE. I think God says Jesus will be the judge, **edited**

We do think differently theologically: your thought process is heretical. By your own heretical words you have said you are not saved.

Jesus said in John5:14 "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.", in John 8:11 "go, and sin no more.", and in Luke 5:32 "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." What do you think He meant?

 

[peldom10]

I asked to be shown one command of Jesus where he said NOT to do something. You example are relevant. Cmon, just admit it, you have just bee schooled.N

No I dont confess my sins, he already knows them, I already know them, and no I dont ask forgivness, he already has.

and who the heck are you to say Im not saved. You dont know me, I didnt say you arent saved, so just because I think theologically differerent than u, that means Im not saved. LAUGHABLE. I think God says Jesus will be the judge, **edited**

Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. Forgive us of our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.......

If we need not repent of our sins then why is the Lord's prayer inclusive of that need?
Further, the Bible tells us in many ways to repent of our sins and always seek forgiveness of our trespasses, past and present on a regular basis.

So, please support your conclusion with scripture, because it appears contrary to scripture.

 

[DADZ]

Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. Forgive us of our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.......

If we need not repent of our sins then why is the Lord's prayer inclusive of that need?
Further, the Bible tells us in many ways to repent of our sins and always seek forgiveness of our trespasses, past and present on a regular basis.

So, please support your conclusion with scripture, because it appears contrary to scripture.

BECAUSE JESUS HADNT DIED YET. NO HOLY SPIRIT TIL ACTS. SALVATION IS HAVING THE HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU. UNTIL THE CRUXIFCATION OUR SINS HADNT BEEN FORGIVEN YET. NOT TO MENTION A LOT OF SCHOLARS, INCLUDING j VERNON MECGEE DONT BEIEVE JESUS UTTERED THOSE WORDS

 

[DADZ]

We do think differently theologically: your thought process is heretical. By your own heretical words you have said you are not saved.

Jesus said in John5:14 "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.", in John 8:11 "go, and sin no more.", and in Luke 5:32 "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." What do you think He meant?

YOUR QUICK TO CALL SOMEONE HERETICAL. I DOUBT U HAVE MANY GOOD "DISCUSSIONS" ON THEOLOGY. TELL ME, AT WHAT POINT DID YOU BECOME PERFECT, IN BEHAVIOR AND IN YOUR "I KNOW IT ALL" ATTITUDE ABOUT SCRIPTURE?

 

[DADZ]

Jesus said love God and your neighbor. Implied in loving God and your neighbor is you refraining from sinning against God and your neighbor. Sinning with no intent to stop sinning is lawlessness. Do you think you can just keep on sinning and practicing lawlessness and there be no consequences? Jesus will say "I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’" Mt. 7:23.

YOU DIDNT RESPOND TO WHAT I ASKED. SHOW ME ONE "THOU SHALT NOT" THAT CAME FROM THE MOUTH OF JESUS. ONE, PLEASE.
I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SINNING WITH NO INTENT TO STOP. IN FACT, I STATED OTHERWISE. BUT YOU READ A FEW WORDS, GET PISSED OFF, ASSUME WHAT IM GONNA WRITE, AND DONT EVEN BOTHER READING WHAT I SAY.

 

[DADZ]

'Show them love' - This is so weak. You come in here talking about how Christian churches suck basically demanding they his forum tells you how to treat Hs and all you have is 'show them love.' Weak.

GOD IS LOVE. LOVE IS WEAK. THEREFORE GOD IS WEAK?

 

[DADZ]

Yeah. If you're this mad at people on this site already, you're not going to last long. You'll need much thicker skin to exist on this site. Because you can expect a lot more of the same on here.
As far as preaching to someone else about their pride that seems a bit of a pot/kettle thing.

THERE U GO, JUDGING ME AGAIN. LOOK IN THE MIRROR DUDE. AND I AINT MAD, U AINT SEEN ME MAD YET LOL AND U DONT WANT TO.
AND I GOT PLENTY THICK SKIN PAL. LISTEN SON, I HAVE FORGOTTEN MORE THEOLOGY THAN YOU PROBABLY KNOW, I HAVE DECADES MORE EXPERIENCE, EDUCATION AND RESEARCH THAN U.

 

[DADZ]

SO, ALL YOU GUYS COMING AT ME, I HOPE YOU DONT REPRESENT JESUS IN ANY OTHER PUBLIC FORUMS. NONE OF YOU, NOT ONE REFUTED ANYTHING I SAID. NOT ONCE, NOT ONE, PLEASE, JUST ONE, I BEG OF YOU.

 

[TMS]

All have sinned and need salvation..
We need to love the sinner but hate the sin.

Jesus loves everyone regardless of which sin they are practicing. But if we love God we will give our selfish hearts to Him.
"Your will be done Not mine" should be our call every day.
It is not Gods will that we continue as a homosexual.

Mat_26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Mat_26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

 

[DADZ]

All have sinned and need salvation..
We need to love the sinner but hate the sin.

Jesus loves everyone regardless of which sin they are practicing. But if we love God we will give our selfish hearts to Him.
"Your will be done Not mine" should be our call every day.
It is not Gods will that we continue as a homosexual.

Mat_26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Mat_26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Yea, good, we agree to strive and WANT to do Gods will. I think you guys dont read what some of us actually put up. Thats called a closed mind.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

THERE U GO, JUDGING ME AGAIN. LOOK IN THE MIRROR DUDE. AND I AINT MAD, U AINT SEEN ME MAD YET LOL AND U DONT WANT TO.
AND I GOT PLENTY THICK SKIN PAL. LISTEN SON, I HAVE FORGOTTEN MORE THEOLOGY THAN YOU PROBABLY KNOW, I HAVE DECADES MORE EXPERIENCE, EDUCATION AND RESEARCH THAN U.

You trolls are so funny. 😂😂

 

[Subhumanoidal]

"AT WHAT POINT DID YOU BECOME PERFECT, IN BEHAVIOR AND IN YOUR "I KNOW IT ALL" ATTITUDE ABOUT SCRIPTURE?"

Also:
"I HAVE FORGOTTEN MORE THEOLOGY THAN YOU PROBABLY KNOW, I HAVE DECADES MORE EXPERIENCE, EDUCATION AND RESEARCH THAN U."

And also:
"THERE U GO, JUDGING ME AGAIN".

The hypocrisy is strong with this one. 😂😂
To be an effective troll you'll need a better shtick than hypocrite. 😉

 

[NotmebutHim]

"You're making friends fast around here, John" - Russell Ziskey.

 

[JerryInBoston]

YOUR QUICK TO CALL SOMEONE HERETICAL. I DOUBT U HAVE MANY GOOD "DISCUSSIONS" ON THEOLOGY. TELL ME, AT WHAT POINT DID YOU BECOME PERFECT, IN BEHAVIOR AND IN YOUR "I KNOW IT ALL" ATTITUDE ABOUT SCRIPTURE?

Why all the screaming? It helps nothing, but reveals something about you.

Antinomianism, as taught by many false teachers today, and as it appears to which you adhere, is heretical.

YOUR QUICK TO CALL SOMEONE HERETICAL. I DOUBT U HAVE MANY GOOD "DISCUSSIONS" ON THEOLOGY. TELL ME, AT WHAT POINT DID YOU BECOME PERFECT, IN BEHAVIOR AND IN YOUR "I KNOW IT ALL" ATTITUDE ABOUT SCRIPTURE?

I don't view myself as anything near perfect, far from it actually.

I'm a sinner, and have repented and believed and I follow and walk with Jesus. As a result, I am saved by God's grace through my faith in Jesus.

YOU DIDNT RESPOND TO WHAT I ASKED. SHOW ME ONE "THOU SHALT NOT" THAT CAME FROM THE MOUTH OF JESUS. ONE, PLEASE.
I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SINNING WITH NO INTENT TO STOP. IN FACT, I STATED OTHERWISE. BUT YOU READ A FEW WORDS, GET PISSED OFF, ASSUME WHAT IM GONNA WRITE, AND DONT EVEN BOTHER READING WHAT I SAY.

Jesus is the Word, and the Word is God. The Word spoke unto Moses the moral law, the Decalogue, the Ten Commandments. The Word said to Moses ten times "thou shalt not", each of which "shalt nots" are in full force and effect today, and to which all who walk with Jesus must be obedient.

I did respond to your question, but you didn't respond to mine: Jesus said in John5:14 "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.", in John 8:11 "go, and sin no more.", and in Luke 5:32 "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." What do you think He meant?