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I agree but it seems to me you're trying to make an issue where there is none. You're the one who is trying to remove an important part of salvation; namely, turning from sin and making Jesus Lord. If you don't see how that is part of trusting in Him 100%, then I really don't know what more to say. I get the feeling there's a broader agenda behind this; I just can't put my finger on it.
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Sounds like this point
“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.”
Romans 5:8-11 KJV
Which is glorious and true and should always be considered but then there’s this maturation point and tbat doesn’t change this , this adds to understanding and it shouldnt be tbat we see it as a conflicting doctrine but the same doctrine more exposed and moving into it’s effective state of operation as we let this type of thing add to the other God makes us grow up and strengthens our feeble and weak knees
at he first part is what God did for us this part is what we’re commanded to do now that that’s established
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. ( this part of the message is really really important too once we become a believer in the basics )
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.”
Ephesians 5:1-11, 13-21 KJV
We can’t say either is not true but one thing is meant to produce a babe a new believer in Jesus the other is for that babe to begin to learn from and grow up in some rings are milk other things are meat and solid food
we’re always able to trust that Jesus is going to save us , but we can’t also reject what he’s saying and then claim other forms of salvation either that’s just showing we actually don’t believe him
We come to poonts like this and Jesus is really gentle and able to make these thought provoking points that don’t condemn us if we’re not perfect but they also call is sternly to action with a warning and also a promise and blessing
“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? ( this should touch the heart of a Christian that believes in and loves Jesus but maybe they have never really even considered what the term lord means )
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49 KJV
We simply have to accept the lord and what he said is his word and it’s always going to prove true in the end no matter what we think ourselves it’s w hard thing to conclude but it’s the last hurdle for a Christian if Jesus taught us something when he was here it’s always going to prove true whether w blessing or warning it’s why he came as well as to pay for our sins and give us new breath of life
In the end simplified as we hear Jesus word we need to consider this also
“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
James 1:21-22 KJV
If we convince ourselves our actions aren’t required we could become hearers only and not doers of the word and deceive ourselves into thinking we’re saved because we said we believe but then we reject what we’re told in the scriptures meant to do this
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32 KJV
why is that important to Jesus our savior ?
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
He doesn’t Will that anyone of us perishes but that we be saved and he knows sin is death so he’s given us the gospel and patience
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
Vwe all still have time d none is perfect but we need to change the things we know we are doing th at are sinful if we are we have to start taking it seriously our actions are really important to salvation when we become believers not really beforehand but when we convert to Christ our actions matter very much
“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.”
Romans 5:8-11 KJV
Which is glorious and true and should always be considered but then there’s this maturation point and tbat doesn’t change this , this adds to understanding and it shouldnt be tbat we see it as a conflicting doctrine but the same doctrine more exposed and moving into it’s effective state of operation as we let this type of thing add to the other God makes us grow up and strengthens our feeble and weak knees
at he first part is what God did for us this part is what we’re commanded to do now that that’s established
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. ( this part of the message is really really important too once we become a believer in the basics )
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.”
Ephesians 5:1-11, 13-21 KJV
We can’t say either is not true but one thing is meant to produce a babe a new believer in Jesus the other is for that babe to begin to learn from and grow up in some rings are milk other things are meat and solid food
we’re always able to trust that Jesus is going to save us , but we can’t also reject what he’s saying and then claim other forms of salvation either that’s just showing we actually don’t believe him
We come to poonts like this and Jesus is really gentle and able to make these thought provoking points that don’t condemn us if we’re not perfect but they also call is sternly to action with a warning and also a promise and blessing
“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? ( this should touch the heart of a Christian that believes in and loves Jesus but maybe they have never really even considered what the term lord means )
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49 KJV
We simply have to accept the lord and what he said is his word and it’s always going to prove true in the end no matter what we think ourselves it’s w hard thing to conclude but it’s the last hurdle for a Christian if Jesus taught us something when he was here it’s always going to prove true whether w blessing or warning it’s why he came as well as to pay for our sins and give us new breath of life
In the end simplified as we hear Jesus word we need to consider this also
“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
James 1:21-22 KJV
If we convince ourselves our actions aren’t required we could become hearers only and not doers of the word and deceive ourselves into thinking we’re saved because we said we believe but then we reject what we’re told in the scriptures meant to do this
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32 KJV
why is that important to Jesus our savior ?
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
He doesn’t Will that anyone of us perishes but that we be saved and he knows sin is death so he’s given us the gospel and patience
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
Vwe all still have time d none is perfect but we need to change the things we know we are doing th at are sinful if we are we have to start taking it seriously our actions are really important to salvation when we become believers not really beforehand but when we convert to Christ our actions matter very much
Tracts often are not biblical
Its clear in the Bible that doesnt have 'four spiritual laws' or the apostles giving out tracts.
What happened was they told the gospel, people were convicted, they repented and believed in Jesus and got baptised.
Those who repented demonstrated fruits of repentence for specific sins they named. Eg tax collectors gave tax refunds, thieves returned goods, adulterers stopped adultering...those who had pride humbled themselves. They didnt just assent to a belief like Pharisees tried to and then continued as they were but with a new religion. John the baptised refused to baptised those who were not repentant and just wanted to become christian in name only.
Baptism (full immersion) showed that you were willing to cast your old self away and be raised to new life. Nobody would have ever said, you just have to commit yourself to Jesus. The disciples followed Jesus but many fell away, it was only when they had been baptised with the Holy spirit were they able to walk in His ways and do all the things Jesus asked them to do, because He sent his helper to them.
Note this does not make you an 'instant' christian but Gid gives grace so that we can be forgiven and work towards salvation...on Judgement Day it will be quite clear whos works or good deeds are of lasting value and whos are just hay and stubble.
Its clear in the Bible that doesnt have 'four spiritual laws' or the apostles giving out tracts.
What happened was they told the gospel, people were convicted, they repented and believed in Jesus and got baptised.
Those who repented demonstrated fruits of repentence for specific sins they named. Eg tax collectors gave tax refunds, thieves returned goods, adulterers stopped adultering...those who had pride humbled themselves. They didnt just assent to a belief like Pharisees tried to and then continued as they were but with a new religion. John the baptised refused to baptised those who were not repentant and just wanted to become christian in name only.
Baptism (full immersion) showed that you were willing to cast your old self away and be raised to new life. Nobody would have ever said, you just have to commit yourself to Jesus. The disciples followed Jesus but many fell away, it was only when they had been baptised with the Holy spirit were they able to walk in His ways and do all the things Jesus asked them to do, because He sent his helper to them.
Note this does not make you an 'instant' christian but Gid gives grace so that we can be forgiven and work towards salvation...on Judgement Day it will be quite clear whos works or good deeds are of lasting value and whos are just hay and stubble.
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Paul is writing to speaking to saved people so this is not about spiritual salvation.
Paul is addressing a carnal church.
This is about temporal judgement.
So important to rightly divide!
Salvation is by faith through grace IN Christ Jesus not of works lest any man should boast, salvation is a gift.
Paul is addressing a carnal church.
This is about temporal judgement.
So important to rightly divide!
Salvation is by faith through grace IN Christ Jesus not of works lest any man should boast, salvation is a gift.
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you work it out with Jesus lol
He shows you what to do
see Phillippians 2:12
basically pray and ask Him every day to lead and guide you. Give thanks for everything even in the hard times. When he sends you the helper, allow the helper to help you! Obey him even when Hes not there (disciples knew they would need to do this when Jesus went away!)
He shows you what to do
see Phillippians 2:12
basically pray and ask Him every day to lead and guide you. Give thanks for everything even in the hard times. When he sends you the helper, allow the helper to help you! Obey him even when Hes not there (disciples knew they would need to do this when Jesus went away!)
Let us add more burdens to those coming to Christ....Father forgive us. Yes if we had a say we would turn away so many because they didn't stop sinning immediately or didn't look "genuine" like they even repented the right way.
Praise God we get no say what so ever in this. The one that made all this.. He never turns one away that comes to Him. Now right there the only reason they could come to Him is He draws them and they answered the call. See He will work with them for the rest of their life's up to 70+ years. We just can't wait for GOD to judge all this evil right? Not Him.. no all this is His grace because He loves this world for God so loved the world we don't. Some of you spoke out of your heart is what you typed. Own it...
Gotta tell somebody GOOD FEELING. Scream it from the roof tops.. He such a good GOD! Such a good GOD.. I got that good feeling kicking me out of my chair acting like I don't care....Hes a good GOD! Song..
The good news.. He came died for the worlds sin. He set you free! He didn't come to condemn but to save. He never looks in that cell saying ..you should be there.. what you did was evil wicked. NO... you see this man with holes in His hands.. HE rips the cell door off and those chains just fall to the ground. He never said your only saved unless you do.. unless you show me you truly mean it. He already came and died He already took the punishment's. You then look back.. He's in the cell He has the chains on. He did this for everyone on this planet from the start to the end.
You know theres this book in the OT talks about what we should never boast in. So many posts are just that boasting in self not that we know Him. Always something to condemn others. Always something to make you feel guilty ..guilt something Christ took to the Cross. We are speak words of life love kindness joy mercy forgiveness none stop. Love never sees faults. Love believes all things....yet talking about repent and? NOPE sorry we don't believe you.
Praise God we get no say what so ever in this. The one that made all this.. He never turns one away that comes to Him. Now right there the only reason they could come to Him is He draws them and they answered the call. See He will work with them for the rest of their life's up to 70+ years. We just can't wait for GOD to judge all this evil right? Not Him.. no all this is His grace because He loves this world for God so loved the world we don't. Some of you spoke out of your heart is what you typed. Own it...
Gotta tell somebody GOOD FEELING. Scream it from the roof tops.. He such a good GOD! Such a good GOD.. I got that good feeling kicking me out of my chair acting like I don't care....Hes a good GOD! Song..
The good news.. He came died for the worlds sin. He set you free! He didn't come to condemn but to save. He never looks in that cell saying ..you should be there.. what you did was evil wicked. NO... you see this man with holes in His hands.. HE rips the cell door off and those chains just fall to the ground. He never said your only saved unless you do.. unless you show me you truly mean it. He already came and died He already took the punishment's. You then look back.. He's in the cell He has the chains on. He did this for everyone on this planet from the start to the end.
You know theres this book in the OT talks about what we should never boast in. So many posts are just that boasting in self not that we know Him. Always something to condemn others. Always something to make you feel guilty ..guilt something Christ took to the Cross. We are speak words of life love kindness joy mercy forgiveness none stop. Love never sees faults. Love believes all things....yet talking about repent and? NOPE sorry we don't believe you.
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It is frightening when people who fight against what God himself has said think that they are serving or glorifying God while doing so. I am not referring to you, but to the poster whose post you quoted. Ridiculous does not even begin to cut it, and I christened my "ignore" option with the poster who disagreed that God commands all men everywhere to repent earlier today.
Repentance is a term that’s established in scripture from genesis Six forward theres a lot to it one of the most relevant places we find it is here
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
Mark 1:4-5 KJV
These people were aware of thier sins because they were confessing thier sins , and repentance was that desire in th en to change those ways they knew they were commiting
repentance is a gift that comes when a person who acknolwefges their own sins to the lord because they hear the gospel about him dying for thier sins and this paying the penalty for thier sins that message of the atonement
If a sinner who has no intention of changing and who enjoys and prefers his sinful life hears the message of the gospel it’s not going to be well accepted when they hear that they need to stop sinning which is ultimately the result of repentance
repentance itself is the sinner who loves God but is fully aware “ I’m a sinner and needs forgivness or I can’t be saved in the end I need to come clean to the lord and acknolwedge all My secrets that I’m afraid to tell Him about and get those things into the light so he can take them away
When you hear the gospel meaning the things Jesus taught his followers you learn that you can’t keep living in sin but you can learn from Jesus and be set free from its bondage and dominion over you
repentance is inside of us it begins when we hear the truth and we don’t reject it
“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV
sinners don’t always know thier in a snare but as we begin to acknolwedge the truth that we can’t keep sinning we need to change and follow the things Jesus taught us to follow into life everlasting
repentance is a change of the mind and heart that is planted in us as we hear the word of Christ teaching us what to do to be approved of God in our actions we begin to totwlly change our whole perception from the law of Moses to the sermons of Jesus
its inside us but always ends at the cessation of our known and willful sin
there’s really a lot on the Bible pertaining to repentance check out genesis 6
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
Mark 1:4-5 KJV
These people were aware of thier sins because they were confessing thier sins , and repentance was that desire in th en to change those ways they knew they were commiting
repentance is a gift that comes when a person who acknolwefges their own sins to the lord because they hear the gospel about him dying for thier sins and this paying the penalty for thier sins that message of the atonement
If a sinner who has no intention of changing and who enjoys and prefers his sinful life hears the message of the gospel it’s not going to be well accepted when they hear that they need to stop sinning which is ultimately the result of repentance
repentance itself is the sinner who loves God but is fully aware “ I’m a sinner and needs forgivness or I can’t be saved in the end I need to come clean to the lord and acknolwedge all My secrets that I’m afraid to tell Him about and get those things into the light so he can take them away
When you hear the gospel meaning the things Jesus taught his followers you learn that you can’t keep living in sin but you can learn from Jesus and be set free from its bondage and dominion over you
repentance is inside of us it begins when we hear the truth and we don’t reject it
“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV
sinners don’t always know thier in a snare but as we begin to acknolwedge the truth that we can’t keep sinning we need to change and follow the things Jesus taught us to follow into life everlasting
repentance is a change of the mind and heart that is planted in us as we hear the word of Christ teaching us what to do to be approved of God in our actions we begin to totwlly change our whole perception from the law of Moses to the sermons of Jesus
its inside us but always ends at the cessation of our known and willful sin
there’s really a lot on the Bible pertaining to repentance check out genesis 6
Yes, the majority of false preachers teach that the word repentance/ repent means " turn from your sins.".
I don't have to speak Greek to know that the Greek term is not derived from any word for sin. Only context tells us what the repentance is. God repented more than anyone in the Bible. God never sinned.
I don't have to speak Greek to know that the Greek term is not derived from any word for sin. Only context tells us what the repentance is. God repented more than anyone in the Bible. God never sinned.
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