True or False - "Another Jesus"?
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Okay, so you mean that you think that it is the ones [those who are in Judea, of course] who are to "FLEE" that are the ones who are concerned with Sabbath-keeping [as in, they are themselves the "Sabbath-keepers" at that time]? Just asking. 
Yes, I agree that it is at the start of the "GREAT tribulation" (with 1260 days remaining), but in my study of the chronology, I see this point in the chronology [what I called "mid-trib"] to correlate with the following:
--2Th2:4
--Dan12:11
--Dan9:27b (rather than Dan9:27a[26], which says, "FOR ONE WEEK [7yrs]," or Dan9:27c)
--Rev12:6,14
--Rev11:2
--Rev13:5-7 (Dan7:20-21,25; Dan12:1-4,10; etc)
...but that other aspects correlate with the START of the 7-yr period
--2Th2:9a[Dan27a(26)]; 2Th2:8a,3b
--Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE'" (=1Th5:2-3 the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]")
--Rev6:2 [note the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period of 1:1 (1:19c/4:1/7:3), and elsewhere]
--others...
IOW, when examining the Revelation, I can make out the seven year period (not merely 3.5yrs, and not that it is covering some 2000 yrs [when comparing the verses I pointed out in the Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1/7:3 connection/aspects, which refers specifically to the "FUTURE" aspects of the Book]).
Hope that helps you see my perspective.
--2Th2:4
--Dan12:11
--Dan9:27b (rather than Dan9:27a[26], which says, "FOR ONE WEEK [7yrs]," or Dan9:27c)
--Rev12:6,14
--Rev11:2
--Rev13:5-7 (Dan7:20-21,25; Dan12:1-4,10; etc)
...but that other aspects correlate with the START of the 7-yr period
--2Th2:9a[Dan27a(26)]; 2Th2:8a,3b
--Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE'" (=1Th5:2-3 the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]")
--Rev6:2 [note the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period of 1:1 (1:19c/4:1/7:3), and elsewhere]
--others...
IOW, when examining the Revelation, I can make out the seven year period (not merely 3.5yrs, and not that it is covering some 2000 yrs [when comparing the verses I pointed out in the Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1/7:3 connection/aspects, which refers specifically to the "FUTURE" aspects of the Book]).
Hope that helps you see my perspective.
^ To be a little more clear, I believe the phrase "GREAT tribulation" [Matt24:21; "the GREAT tribulation" per Rev7:14] refers only to the SECOND HALF of the future 7-yr period, rather than [what is commonly called] the tribulation period IN ITS ENTIRETY.
Where Joel 2:31 refers to "BEFORE the GREAT," then, I believe refers SOLELY to "BEFORE the [SECOND HALF of it]"... that is, it is referring to that which will take place IN THE FIRST HALF OF IT (namely, the 6th SEAL event, Rev6:12 ["moon into/became as blood"]), which is entirely distinct from the "moon shall not give her light" at the END of the trib (Matt24:29-31).
Where Joel 2:31 refers to "BEFORE the GREAT," then, I believe refers SOLELY to "BEFORE the [SECOND HALF of it]"... that is, it is referring to that which will take place IN THE FIRST HALF OF IT (namely, the 6th SEAL event, Rev6:12 ["moon into/became as blood"]), which is entirely distinct from the "moon shall not give her light" at the END of the trib (Matt24:29-31).
Yes, I agree that it is at the start of the "GREAT tribulation" (with 1260 days remaining), but in my study of the chronology, I see this point in the chronology [what I called "mid-trib"] to correlate with the following:
--2Th2:4
--Dan12:11
--Dan9:27b (rather than Dan9:27a[26], which says, "FOR ONE WEEK [7yrs]," or Dan9:27c)
--Rev12:6,14
--Rev11:2
--Rev13:5-7 (Dan7:20-21,25; Dan12:1-4,10; etc)
...but that other aspects correlate with the START of the 7-yr period
--2Th2:9a[Dan27a(26)]; 2Th2:8a,3b
--Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE'" (=1Th5:2-3 the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]")
--Rev6:2 [note the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period of 1:1 (1:19c/4:1/7:3), and elsewhere]
--others...
IOW, when examining the Revelation, I can make out the seven year period (not merely 3.5yrs, and not that it is covering some 2000 yrs [when comparing the verses I pointed out in the Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1/7:3 connection/aspects, which refers specifically to the "FUTURE" aspects of the Book]).
Hope that helps you see my perspective.
--2Th2:4
--Dan12:11
--Dan9:27b (rather than Dan9:27a[26], which says, "FOR ONE WEEK [7yrs]," or Dan9:27c)
--Rev12:6,14
--Rev11:2
--Rev13:5-7 (Dan7:20-21,25; Dan12:1-4,10; etc)
...but that other aspects correlate with the START of the 7-yr period
--2Th2:9a[Dan27a(26)]; 2Th2:8a,3b
--Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE'" (=1Th5:2-3 the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]")
--Rev6:2 [note the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period of 1:1 (1:19c/4:1/7:3), and elsewhere]
--others...
IOW, when examining the Revelation, I can make out the seven year period (not merely 3.5yrs, and not that it is covering some 2000 yrs [when comparing the verses I pointed out in the Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1/7:3 connection/aspects, which refers specifically to the "FUTURE" aspects of the Book]).
Hope that helps you see my perspective.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17
Appears to be saying that antichrist comes to full power for just one year, If that is true then he could be around longer then just 6 years before that. I`m not sure it`s going to be a tidy 7 year time frame.
Yes, I agree that it is at the start of the "GREAT tribulation" (with 1260 days remaining), but in my study of the chronology, I see this point in the chronology [what I called "mid-trib"] to correlate with the following:
--2Th2:4
--Dan12:11
--Dan9:27b (rather than Dan9:27a[26], which says, "FOR ONE WEEK [7yrs]," or Dan9:27c)
--Rev12:6,14
--Rev11:2
--Rev13:5-7 (Dan7:20-21,25; Dan12:1-4,10; etc)
...but that other aspects correlate with the START of the 7-yr period
--2Th2:9a[Dan27a(26)]; 2Th2:8a,3b
--Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE'" (=1Th5:2-3 the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]")
--Rev6:2 [note the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period of 1:1 (1:19c/4:1/7:3), and elsewhere]
--others...
IOW, when examining the Revelation, I can make out the seven year period (not merely 3.5yrs, and not that it is covering some 2000 yrs [when comparing the verses I pointed out in the Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1/7:3 connection/aspects, which refers specifically to the "FUTURE" aspects of the Book]).
Hope that helps you see my perspective.
--2Th2:4
--Dan12:11
--Dan9:27b (rather than Dan9:27a[26], which says, "FOR ONE WEEK [7yrs]," or Dan9:27c)
--Rev12:6,14
--Rev11:2
--Rev13:5-7 (Dan7:20-21,25; Dan12:1-4,10; etc)
...but that other aspects correlate with the START of the 7-yr period
--2Th2:9a[Dan27a(26)]; 2Th2:8a,3b
--Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE'" (=1Th5:2-3 the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]")
--Rev6:2 [note the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period of 1:1 (1:19c/4:1/7:3), and elsewhere]
--others...
IOW, when examining the Revelation, I can make out the seven year period (not merely 3.5yrs, and not that it is covering some 2000 yrs [when comparing the verses I pointed out in the Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1/7:3 connection/aspects, which refers specifically to the "FUTURE" aspects of the Book]).
Hope that helps you see my perspective.
There, I'm just saying I disagree with the "Historicist" viewpoint (<--that the bulk of the Revelation [say, chpts 4 or 6 through 19] is covering everything from the first century till His "RETURN"--I disagree with this, due to the specific wording in 1:1/22:6 [distinct from other verses ppl point out], which is saying "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]"... not "soon/quickly/immediately [adverbs]" etc)
In Rev, I am seeing:
--"the HOUR of trial/temptation" (which is to "COME UPON [G2064 G1909]" which wording I correlate with the 1Th5:2-3 wording I pointed out [at the START of the 7-yr trib (the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]")]--so this seems to be covering the first half..., Rev3:10 [ITS starting point])
--"the HOUR of His judgment [HAS COME]" (which seems, to me, to be referring more to the second half, due to its placement, Rev14:7)
...so, my thought is, perhaps "HOUR" is not referring merely to "one year" (as I think is your suggestion [??]).
--"the HOUR of trial/temptation" (which is to "COME UPON [G2064 G1909]" which wording I correlate with the 1Th5:2-3 wording I pointed out [at the START of the 7-yr trib (the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]")]--so this seems to be covering the first half..., Rev3:10 [ITS starting point])
--"the HOUR of His judgment [HAS COME]" (which seems, to me, to be referring more to the second half, due to its placement, Rev14:7)
...so, my thought is, perhaps "HOUR" is not referring merely to "one year" (as I think is your suggestion [??]).
Have you got a scripture reference I can compare that with? (besides the ones in Rev, since those are the ones in question)... I'm assuming when you say, "in Bible prophecy," that you have some scriptural reference that speaks to this, providing some measure of evidence for what you are presenting. Thanks!
The sequence given in Revelation is same as Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
I think the following passage correlates with Daniel 7:20-21,25[27] -
Revelation 13:5-7 -
5 The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words, and authority to act for forty-two months. 6 And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven.
7 Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.
Revelation 13:5-7 -
5 The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words, and authority to act for forty-two months. 6 And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven.
7 Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.
Have you got a scripture reference I can compare that with? (besides the ones in Rev, since those are the ones in question)... I'm assuming when you say, "in Bible prophecy," that you have some scriptural reference that speaks to this, providing some measure of evidence for what you are presenting. Thanks!
Just remember I said can as in maybe, might. It`s been a long time since I looked at time sequences, like 15 years or more so I`m not 100% on this.
I believe the above passage (Matthew 24:29-31) and the "GREAT trumpet" correlates with:
Isaiah 27:12-13 -
12 In that day the LORD will thresh from the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, O Israelites, will be gathered one by one. 13 And in that day a great ram's horn [/a great trumpet] will sound, and those who were perishing in Assyria will come forth with those who were exiles in Egypt. And they will worship the LORD on the holy mountain in Jerusalem. [same as Isaiah 24:21-22a[23] which is parallel (time-wise) to Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 at the time of His Second Coming to the earth]
[i.e. not our Rapture]
Isaiah 27:12-13 -
12 In that day the LORD will thresh from the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, O Israelites, will be gathered one by one. 13 And in that day a great ram's horn [/a great trumpet] will sound, and those who were perishing in Assyria will come forth with those who were exiles in Egypt. And they will worship the LORD on the holy mountain in Jerusalem. [same as Isaiah 24:21-22a[23] which is parallel (time-wise) to Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 at the time of His Second Coming to the earth]
[i.e. not our Rapture]