Trinity haters on CC

[Dino246]

Why would I not want help? A clear distinction between the Son of man Jesus, and the Son of God must be made.

The cultist would make the Son of man, Jesus as if he was Eternal Spirit not seen . . as if the power to resurrect was after the things seen flesh and blood. No such thing as Holiness of the flesh. Salvation is not recognized after his birth .That's for the cultist that want to make God into a man as us. But rather as the ressurection the power of God .The flesh profits for nothing.

Roman 1:3-5) By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
And declared to be the Son of God with power, (not the Son of man no power)according to the spirit of holiness, (no such the as the flesh of holiness) by the resurrection from the deadnot by the birth of Mary)

Jesus Christ as the Son of God is eternal God. Jesus as the Son of man is a man .

It was necessary his flesh was corruptible to prove he was man. A Spirit does not have flesh and bone

HERESY. You have two persons named Jesus.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

Like I said, could care less what you think.....it is the inspired grammatically correct understanding of the word LIVES......deal with it!

We share something in common...I could care less what you think either.....additionally, online proficiency claims regarding Hebrew/Greek are pretty cheap.

 

[dcontroversal]

We share something in common...I could care less what you think either.....additionally, online proficiency claims regarding Hebrew/Greek are pretty cheap.

We obviously share nothing in common....I accept the truth of the inspired verbiage of the bible, you on the other hand argue ignorantly out of spite.......

 

[jaybird88]

The bishops at Nicea rendered decisions, not Constantine. Many of these bishops were men who were persecuted, and lost body parts in the process.

who appointed the bishops? this is like saying king herod had nothing to do with the religious issues in Jerusalem, you gotta be pretty naive to buy into this.

Sunday observers are not worshiping the sun, and the typical spiel concerning Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz is nonsense that arose from Hislop's Two Babylons.

You've probably heard it a dozen times, but if you want to claim Sunday observers are worshiping the Sun, logically you must accept that Sabbathkeepers are worshiping Saturn.

John 5:
5 After this there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
2 Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, in Aramaic[a]called Bethesda,[b] which has five roofed colonnades. 3 In these lay a multitude of invalids—blind, lame, and paralyzed.[c] 5 One man was there who had been an invalid for thirty-eight years. 6 When Jesus saw him lying there and knew that he had already been there a long time, he said to him, “Do you want to be healed?” 7 The sick man answered him, “Sir, I have no one to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, and while I am going another steps down before me.” 8 Jesus said to him, “Get up, take up your bed, and walk.” 9 And at once the man was healed, and he took up his bed and walked.
Now that day was the Sabbath. 10 So the Jews[d] said to the man who had been healed, “It is the Sabbath, and it is not lawful for you to take up your bed.” 11 But he answered them, “The man who healed me, that man said to me, ‘Take up your bed, and walk.’” 12 They asked him, “Who is the man who said to you, ‘Take up your bed and walk’?” 13 Now the man who had been healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, as there was a crowd in the place. 14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, “See, you are well! Sin no more, that nothing worse may happen to you.” 15 The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had healed him. 16 And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. 17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”
Jesus Is Equal with God
18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
The Authority of the Son
19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father[e] does, that the Son does likewise. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel. 21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him

By the way, the Jews knew what Jesus was claiming. They knew that God doesn't rest on the Sabbath, but continues to uphold the world. Jesus was saying that he does exactly like his Father does, and he works on the Sabbath, too. In fact, Jesus as YHVH continued to uphold the universe even while a man on earth. He didn't cease being YHVH.

Additionally, as I have said, those who don't honor the Son just as they honor the Father have a serious issue. They aren't honoring the Father either.

Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz was the babalon trinity, another group the Father said dont be like. i dont know who hilsap is, is he a member here or something?
sunworshiper means he worshiped Apollo or Helios, thats where his allegiance was. going to church on Saturday,Sunday or Wednesday is not a big deal to me.
of course you honor the Son, He is the Lords anointed, to rebel against His anointed is to rebel against the Father. those boys that messed around with Elisha, the Lords anointed, found that out the hard way. i would never say different.

 

[garee]

More of your mockery. Well, I ain't your judge.

It would seem you as Judge were calling my understanding meaningless bafflegab.

You're being absolutely ridiculous. Do you honestly think that the gospel is hidden from me, a Christian?

No requirement to find every parable to be a Christian . It does not mean parables are not used to give the unseen spiritual understanding the gospel they add to it when one is found sometime a series is given to make a point hid from natural man

The gospel gems are hid from anyone that literalizes the signified word of God. It clearly has more than one level of meaning. Without parables Christ spoke not. He instruct us how to search out the spiritual unseen understanding called faith. Its up to us to search out the meaning as for silver or gold. . . might find a pearl

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

No it doesn't. Sweat means sweat, from physical effort. That's it, that's all.

That's all it means to literalist. The spiritual understanding is hid from them neither can thy know they are spirit discerned using the prescriptions for rightfully dividing (2 Corinthians 4:18) This teaches us to walk by faith after the unseen

Sweat means a living work. Christ pouring out his unseen spirit life in jeopardy of his own self as the father pours out the wrath of our sin. The work of our salvation. His labor of love.

Genesis 3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Whether it was literal blood or not is beside the point. He was in physical distress, pouring His heart out in prayer to His Father.

Whether it was literal blood or not beside the point.... it is the point you seem to ignore..)it a metaphor mephors are used in parbles to hide the unseen understanding .You could say like Hidden manna spoken of in the book of revelation.

As the father poured up the cup of wrath the Son poured out his heart to the father enabling the two to finish the mutual work of our salvation. Three time that was repeated. .Just like with Jonas as parallel parables both having the same hidden understanding the gospel

The event in the garden is history, not parable.

Yes a historallly true parable. Like the whole time period there were kings in Israel till the time of reformation .Without parable he spoke not..

Historically true as it reveals the spiritual understanding the gospel . Or historically true parables that reveals the moral teaching.

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:


Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

 

[Noose]

I agree that real, saved believers can be confused about the Trinity but not antagonistic and accusatory toward the Church. Cults aren't the same....they are seeking to undermine Christianity, often claiming to be the true faith.

If someone rejects the Trinity, even if they are saved, they cannot understand some deeper truths such as union with Christ. Doctrines are not held in isolation. They work in tandom. If one doctrine is off, it often affects multiple doctrines.

You have claimed you don't believe Jesus is God by Himself.

I suggest you clear the forest in your eyes first so that you can clearly see the speck in your brothers eye.

 

[Noose]

Three persons, one essence or one being doesn't explain God. A person is also a being so three persons are three beings even if they share one essence.

Two persons that share essence are still two persons, they are not one.

A teacher in Russia and a teacher in Asia makes two teachers. If it is gods, they'll be two gods.

Jesus said He is one with the Father in the same manner He will be one with the believers - so how many persons will we end up with in this one essence?

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

Three persons, one essence or one being doesn't explain God. A person is also a being so three persons are three beings even if they share one essence.

Two persons that share essence are still two persons, they are not one.

A teacher in Russia and a teacher in Asia makes two teachers. If it is gods, they'll be two gods.

Jesus said He is one with the Father in the same manner He will be one with the believers - so how many persons will we end up with in this one essence?

Believers do not become God so don’t share God’s essence.

Nor does being = person.

I keep repeating the same things and you don’t understand therefore we are wasting each other’s time.

If anyone is teachable please don’t try to make sense of non-Trinitarian nonsense. Fleshly men apparently are incapable of understanding the Triune nature of God.

Like I mentioned before, my unsaved sister could not understand Jesus is God until she was saved. It all became clear for her then.

 

[garee]

HERESY. You have two persons named Jesus.

Two different descriptions as one savior Jesus. One person God. One in respect the power of holiness by the resurrection Son of God .God himself and another to describe the corrupted flesh of man as the Son of man Jesus a "demonstration" (flesh profits for nothing) of the unseen work the father pouring out His spirit in respect to the temporal flesh .

Son of God eternal without beginning. Son of man temporal having a beginning and end.

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God;*( not Son of man jesus) abideth a priest continually .Hebrews 7:3

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

You have claimed you don't believe Jesus is God by Himself.

I suggest you clear the forest in your eyes first so that you can clearly see the speck in your brothers eye.

You are incoherent.

Jesus is not by himself and never has been alone. He has always lived in community with the Father and Holy Spirit. God is communal and not solitary. That is why God is love by nature.

 

[garee]

Believers do not become God so don’t share God’s essence.

Nor does being = person.

I keep repeating the same things and you don’t understand therefore we are wasting each other’s time.

If anyone is teachable please don’t try to make sense of non-Trinitarian nonsense. Fleshly men apparently are incapable of understanding the Triune nature of God.

Like I mentioned before, my unsaved sister could not understand Jesus is God until she was saved. It all became clear for her then.

The Duo nature, no flesh.

One persons idea of the trinity saved her or the duo work of the father and Son as two attributes of one God working as one in order to form the unseen government of God . . . saved her?

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

who appointed the bishops? this is like saying king herod had nothing to do with the religious issues in Jerusalem, you gotta be pretty naive to buy into this.


Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz was the babalon trinity, another group the Father said dont be like. i dont know who hilsap is, is he a member here or something?
sunworshiper means he worshiped Apollo or Helios, thats where his allegiance was. going to church on Saturday,Sunday or Wednesday is not a big deal to me.
of course you honor the Son, He is the Lords anointed, to rebel against His anointed is to rebel against the Father. those boys that messed around with Elisha, the Lords anointed, found that out the hard way. i would never say different.

Nimrod didn’t even live in the same century as Semiramis. That is why this Babylonian Trinity nonsense is foolishness.

Alexander Hislop was a nineteenth century “scholar” who wrote a book called Two Babylons. He claimed that Roman Catholicism was the same as the Babylonian Mystery Religion. His teachings were used by cultists to make similar claims as your Babylonian Trinity claim.

Which is a pretty ridiculous claim because apparently you don’t understand the difference between a triad and a Trinity. A triad is three separate beings. The Trinity doctrine teaches that there is one Being (YHVH) yet three Persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). The Trinity is not a triad of god beings. Trinitarians are monotheists not polytheists.

This is one “what” yet three “who’s”.

This isn’t too hard to understand unless you are a Christianchat “scholar” I reckon

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

The Duo nature, no flesh.

One persons idea of the trinity saved her or the duo work of the father and Son as two attributes of one God working as one in order to form the unseen government of God . . . saved her?

Your words don’t make sense so I can’t respond.

In regards to my sister, she understood Jesus is God as a believer and not as an unbeliever. I don’t think any believer claims Jesus is not God. If someone claims Jesus is not God they are not a believer.

 

[Noose]

You are incoherent.

Jesus is not by himself and never has been alone. He has always lived in community with the Father and Holy Spirit. God is communal and not solitary. That is why God is love by nature.

So 3 distinct persons is just another meme?!

"My God my God, why have you forsaken me.." Jesus said.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

So 3 distinct persons is just another meme?!

"My God my God, why have you forsaken me.." Jesus said.

Ask me something coherent and I will consider responding.

 

[Noose]

Believers do not become God so don’t share God’s essence.

Nor does being = person.

I keep repeating the same things and you don’t understand therefore we are wasting each other’s time.

If anyone is teachable please don’t try to make sense of non-Trinitarian nonsense. Fleshly men apparently are incapable of understanding the Triune nature of God.

Like I mentioned before, my unsaved sister could not understand Jesus is God until she was saved. It all became clear for her then.

In the same manner Jesus is one with the Father, He is also one with believers. It is upon you to reconcile your belief because you initially explained trinity on the basis of the Father and son being one.

I know you love your sister but one example of her is enough.

 

[Noose]

Ask me something coherent and I will consider responding.

I'm asking you, when Jesus said "..my God my God, why have you forsaken me..", was He with the Father?

 

[jaybird88]

Nimrod didn’t even live in the same century as Semiramis. That is why this Babylonian Trinity nonsense is foolishness.

Alexander Hislop was a nineteenth century “scholar” who wrote a book called Two Babylons. He claimed that Roman Catholicism was the same as the Babylonian Mystery Religion. His teachings were used by cultists to make similar claims as your Babylonian Trinity claim.

Which is a pretty ridiculous claim because apparently you don’t understand the difference between a triad and a Trinity. A triad is three separate beings. The Trinity doctrine teaches that there is one Being (YHVH) yet three Persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). The Trinity is not a triad of god beings. Trinitarians are monotheists not polytheists.

This is one “what” yet three “who’s”.

This isn’t too hard to understand unless you are a Christianchat “scholar” I reckon

Semiramis the goddess.

TRInity means three, Father, Son, Spirit, 1+1+1 = 3 , you know how to count right?
i understand the babalon trinity just fine, they tell you right on the front end, three gods, they dont take the exact same thing and tell me its three but its one but its three in one, but seperate . . . .and in the end the exact same end result.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

of course you honor the Son, He is the Lords anointed, to rebel against His anointed is to rebel against the Father. those boys that messed around with Elisha, the Lords anointed, found that out the hard way. i would never say different.

Notice the attempt to pull Jesus down to the level of a mere man, Elisha, who was only a prophet.

Muslims play the same game.

Jesus is YHVH. He is the LORD. He is not a mere man. He is God with Us.

John 5 is instructive in this regard. If the person does not honor Jesus JUST AS THE FATHER he does not know God.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

Semiramis the goddess.

TRInity means three, Father, Son, Spirit, 1+1+1 = 3 , you know how to count right?
i understand the babalon trinity just fine, they tell you right on the front end, three gods, they dont take the exact same thing and tell me its three but its one but its three in one, but seperate . . . .and in the end the exact same end result.

You can't even spell Babylonian.

Trinity = Tri -Unity

There are three Persons yet one Being, God (YHVH).

Three "who's" and one "what".

There is no inconsistency because there are two different categories, person and being.

The problem is that you are attempting to pull God down to the level of a human being, and claiming that there must be only one person per being, because that is how it works in the material realm. You insist that God must conform to your fleshly existence..and this is idolatrous.

If one understand the Trinity, it opens up new vistas to their understanding of Scripture. Without this understanding, one is limited by the walls of his flawed reasoning.