Todd White - Twisted Grace is created by the Enemy

[WarriorForChrist]

I haven't seen Todd, but if his mentor was Dan, then he us probably a false grace teacher like Dan is.

Well you won't even watch the first video I posted. Todd actually talks against some grace teachings in it.

 

[gb9]

What makes you say my teaching changes with the toss of a wave??
My teaching is always stable and Biblical.
I have just seen Dan, and he fave a false grace teaching.
I take it that you think the false grace teachers are Biblical, and the Biblical grace is false.

you teach works salvationism, a person should dress up for church, Jesus wore designer clothes, etc... all these are as false as false can be. but you are stable, i'll give you that. wrong, but consistent.

 

[NotmebutHim]

Thank you, thank you, I did not want to be the one to point it out, even this small piece of information.

There is so much at play behind the scenes in some of these movements it is truly frightening.
Along with the fact many have been severely harmed by the Latter Rain Movement.

It truly breaks my heart, and here we are still.

If you want, you can go behind me and verify what I've asserted. I generally don't like to state something without listing or citing any sources. I was just trying to get my thoughts out quickly. I can post links if you like.

 

[UnderGrace]

New Apostolic Reformation/ Latter Rain (Todd White part of this group)

Some key beliefs of the NAR:

We've entered a "2nd Apostolic Age" (starting in 2001); the church should take over the world (dominionism); a great end time harvest/outpouring will occur once we battle enough demons, perform enough miracles and unify under these new Apostles; God is giving new revelation to his Prophets/Apostles but they will make many mistakes in the process and that's okay, but following the Bible too closely makes you "religious" and narrow-minded...

 

[Tintin]

Thank you for this and I understand what you re saying, however you see very clearly where is says proclaiming Christ to them

to proclaim Christ is tell about Him crucified (for our sins) and resurrected.

Just because the scripture does not give the details here I think we should understand that we should always preach the full gospel to people.

There is much evidence against this fellow if one wants to take the time to research it. It saddens me because God has used many preacher/teachers to promote and teach the full gospel of grace and then false ones come in (sent by the enemy) to do their damage on the true message.

All I am saying is to be discerning if we align ourselves/promote/defend the wrong teachers we unwittingly do Satan's work.
I am a researcher now ... having been burned by false teachers many times.

There is so much at play here behind the scenes I cannot even begin to go into on this message board.

I have researched for five years and have substantial understanding of things most Christians have no clue.

All I am doing is to exhorting with love and care those reading to be careful and pay good attention beyond the charisma of any teacher.

Wow. You have quite an ego on you.

 

[WarriorForChrist]

New Apostolic Reformation/ Latter Rain (Todd White part of this group)

Some key beliefs of the NAR:

We've entered a "2nd Apostolic Age" (starting in 2001); the church should take over the world (dominionism); a great end time harvest/outpouring will occur once we battle enough demons, perform enough miracles and unify under these new Apostles; God is giving new revelation to his Prophets/Apostles but they will make many mistakes in the process and that's okay, but following the Bible too closely makes you "religious" and narrow-minded...

Did you watch first video? If you find anything wrong with his message please post it

 

[UnderGrace]

Did you watch first video? If you find anything wrong with his message please post it

I just wanted to share what I already know. I will watch the video. I can also say I may not find anything in particular that is "unbiblical" with this video and talk, it is sometimes not what they do say but what they do not say.

They are very very clever you know. I do not deny that they are very charismatic and can ooze love, that is why we are warned so much in scripture.

I will watch the video if not for any other reason but to add to my other research...cause it has already taken over my computer and every book shelf. LOL To be continued.....

 

[God4me]

you teach works salvationism, a person should dress up for church, Jesus wore designer clothes, etc... all these are as false as false can be. but you are stable, i'll give you that. wrong, but consistent.

You are mistaken, and showing your Biblical ignorance.
I don't teach works for salvation, and Jesus did ware designer clothes.
And anyone who has any respect for God, would go to Church smartly dressed.
People like you just shows how far Christianity has fallen.

 

[God4me]

Well you won't even watch the first video I posted. Todd actually talks against some grace teachings in it.

What teaching does Todd come against, The Biblical grace, or the hyper grace.
I know Todd's mentor comes against the Biblical grace.

 

[WarriorForChrist]

What teaching does Todd come against, The Biblical grace, or the hyper grace.
I know Todd's mentor comes against the Biblical grace.

Watch the video and figure it out. Not going to do the work for you lol

 

[God4me]

I watched the video and I also did some research on TW. From what I've gathered, he either is an official part of (or at least associated with) a movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). This movement seeks to bring the world back to the age of the apostles. Other notable people in the movement include C. Peter Wagner and William Branham. NAR is also an offshoot of the Latter Rain movement.

From the video, it seems that Todd emphasizes "speaking to our sicknesses, ailments and diseases". The Scriptures tell us to pray for the sick, but I can't recall any place where we're advised, encouraged or commanded to actually speak to our sickness to make it go away. We must rely on God's will to heal us, and He may or may not do so. We just have to trust His timing and His wisdom.

The Apostles and the other four Ministers in Eph 4: 11, Have always been in the Church.
Eph 4: 11 tells us what the Ministers are.
V12 tells us what they are given for.
And v13 tells us how long they are in the Church for, [The Christians aren't perfected yet].


As for healing, Jesus didn't say "Pray for the sick", He said, "Heal the sick".
If we are to pray for the sick, How do we pray?, We can't pray, "Father, Heal this sick person", Because God will say, "Jesus has already healed him/her".
And we can't pray, " Lord, If it be your will please heal this person", because God will say,
"You know I will because the price has been paid by Jesus".

Go through the gospel and the book of Acts, and see how they ministered to the sick.

 

[God4me]

Watch the video and figure it out. Not going to do the work for you lol

I don't watch scruffy dressers who have no resect for God.

 

[WarriorForChrist]

I don't watch scruffy dressers who have no resect for God.

Lol OK. It is about the message not how he looks.

 

[Willie-T]

I just wanted to share what I already know. I will watch the video. I can also say I may not find anything in particular that is "unbiblical" with this video and talk, it is sometimes not what they do say but what they do not say.

They are very very clever you know. I do not deny that they are very charismatic and can ooze love, that is why we are warned so much in scripture.

I will watch the video if not for any other reason but to add to my other research...cause it has already taken over my computer and every book shelf. LOL To be continued.....

That's pretty clever of you... damn them for what they say, and just in case, damn them for what they don't say, also.

You are a very ill puppy.

 

[gb9]

You are mistaken, and showing your Biblical ignorance.
I don't teach works for salvation, and Jesus did ware designer clothes.
And anyone who has any respect for God, would go to Church smartly dressed.
People like you just shows how far Christianity has fallen.

and people like you push people away from the Gospel instead of drawing them to, making up stuff that is not in the Bible ( fashion police).

there is no such thing as " false grace". the only thing that would fall under that description would be saying that all you have to do is claim Christ as Lord, and then live anyway you want, do whatever you want,etc... but that has to said directly, not putting words in other people's mouths.

we are to speak the truth, which is we are saved by grace. if someone hears this and mis-understands what it means, then that is on them.

 

[UnderGrace]

That's pretty clever of you... damn them for what they say, and just in case, damn them for what they don't say, also.

You are a very ill puppy.

Well my picture is of a kitten and actually I am feeling great.

I only trust Jesus, you want to trust others that is your business.

There are others here that may want to know the concerns.

 

[Willie-T]

Well my picture is of a kitten and actually I am feeling great.

I only trust Jesus, you want to trust others that is your business.

There are others here that may want to know the concerns.

Nothing to do with trusting. EVERYTHING to do with slandering people for things you have decided about them because they did not say the words you wanted to hear.

 

[WarriorForChrist]

Well my picture is of a kitten and actually I am feeling great.

I only trust Jesus, you want to trust others that is your business.

There are others here that may want to know the concerns.

Do you go to church? If you do then you are trusting your pastor. Do you not believe in evangelism? Because with your logic of not trusting then people should never go out and witness because God is the only one to be trusted. Matter of fact, we wouldn't even have Christianity with your logic.

 

[BenFTW]

I watched the video and I also did some research on TW. From what I've gathered, he either is an official part of (or at least associated with) a movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). This movement seeks to bring the world back to the age of the apostles. Other notable people in the movement include C. Peter Wagner and William Branham. NAR is also an offshoot of the Latter Rain movement.

From the video, it seems that Todd emphasizes "speaking to our sicknesses, ailments and diseases". The Scriptures tell us to pray for the sick, but I can't recall any place where we're advised, encouraged or commanded to actually speak to our sickness to make it go away. We must rely on God's will to heal us, and He may or may not do so. We just have to trust His timing and His wisdom.

As a matter of fact, it doesn't even tell us to pray (in certain verses). It says, "you shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover." No words even used. Simply laying on of hands. This works simply because of the anointing inside of you, just like the Apostle Paul was able to "transfer" his anointing into handkerchiefs to heal the sick.

As far as commanding, you don't see Jesus pleading with the Father for someone to be healed, or even the apostles. They said, "I give you what I have." They would say, "Rise" and the person would rise. The healing was based upon authority and delivering the will of God in the moment. So commandments is, in fact, one of many methods to administer healing.

 

[ladylynn]

Nothing to do with trusting. EVERYTHING to do with slandering people for things you have decided about them because they did not say the words you wanted to hear.

I don't believe UnderGrace meant to slander at all. I was going to post some hours ago about (waiting) to hear more about people before making general assessments or judgments about associations. There is way too much jumping the gun sort of speak going on in the Christian "world" We do need to extend grace right from the start and immediately and strive to make it a habit imo.

Joel Osteen is a prime example. I've seen people take that guy apart limb by limb. But I've listened to Joel a lot apart from the hype and although he isn't my daily cup of tea., I find no fault in him and see how he lifts up Jesus. I look at Joel O. and this Todd White guy and apply the same logic. 2 very different men of God. Both preaching Jesus Christ in their own way. One preaches in a church and on tv, wears a suit and tie with white teeth and perfect hair., The other speaks in the city streets among other places, wears jeans and a tee shirt and his hair is styled in those dreadlocks.

It takes time to hear out people. It takes more than a few messages I've found. There is much more to people than what we first heard or see of them. And we don't have to 'rush' to assess people. Also., seeing how people I've known and respected for a long time on CC have already heard him and approve of him speaks volumes to me as well. There is no rush to figure out what column people need to be put in.

Being a good listener is an art and not many of us have this art down pat. I put myself in that group that needs to be a better listener.