Today’s church’s misunderstandings

[CS1]

Our rest is in his death the labors of Christ filling all necessary labors.
Friday night would have been the start of the Sabbath day.
His resurrection is our active hope, the reason we purify ourselves just as he is pure.

In his death we where laid hold of.
In the price paid we rest, in the provision of God we trust.
By his life we lay hold of its purpose for which he laid hold of us.
In this hope we labor, we sanctify ourselves as faithful servants of his life and show ourselves as Children of God or not.
Mostly by our love for the brethren.

WE can't purify ourselves without the Blood of the Lamb. And we have no hope without the resurrection of Christ from the dead. You are speaking of works-based salvation. We are saved by grace through faith. The death, burial, and resurrection are all important. Jesus was placed in the tomb before the starting of the Sabbath as why Joseph of Arimathea asked for the body Mark 15:42-43


42: "Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath,"
43: Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went into Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.

Your point is what?

 

[CS1]

But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” Since you call on a Father who judges each one’s work impartially, conduct yourselves in reverent fear during your stay as foreigners For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life ... - 1 Peter 1:15-18

We do not compromise the word of God.
We can let it judge us or we can play judge of others.

holy here means to be set apart from the world As God is set apart from the World. Your point is?

 

[soggykitten]

Did I say that? did you read what I said? No where in my post did I say we worship as Christians a dead Jesus.

I said " on Sunday because that is the day of the week Jesus Rose from the dead. "

Jesus rose on the First day of the week that would have Been Sunday because the Sabbath is not the first day of the week.

That is in the Bible you can find it

Matthew 28:1
Mark 16:1
Luke 24:1
John 20:1

all four Gospels say " First day of the week. all four do. The Greek word Sabbaton also means a day in the week as we know Jesus had to be placed in the tomb as the Passover was approaching. If you know anything about Jewish culture dead on any day is day that day .

Yes, I read your post.

 

[soggykitten]

The Israelites did NOT labor for their salvation. Scripture tells us there is no salvation without Christ, and that is true from Genesis to Rev. God gave blood for the salvation of souls and that was a symbol of Christ's blood. Christ had not lived yet so the Israelites could understand Christ, but they were told that the sacrifice of animals were for the forgiveness of sins, and in Lev. it carefully explains all about the sin they were to ask forgiveness for. They were to repent of their sin, then, just as we are asked to repent of our sin when we give the sin to Christ for forgiveness.

You'll never reach the hostile spirit no matter how much patience and love you pour forth thinking it wise.

 

[CS1]

Yes, I read your post.

Ok then please explain your point and what your comments are meaning with your statement below? And how do you reconcile what Mark 15:42-43 says?


"No Christian worships a dead Christ."

"Jesus was in the tomb for three days and three nights. He did not resurrect on Sunday."

 

[CS1]

You'll never reach the hostile spirit no matter how much patience and love you pour forth thinking it wise.

I would really like to know where the hostile spirit is LOL >?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” Since you call on a Father who judges each one’s work impartially, conduct yourselves in reverent fear during your stay as foreigners For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life ... - 1 Peter 1:15-18

We do not compromise the word of God.
We can let it judge us or we can play judge of others.

Who is compromising the word of God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You'll never reach the hostile spirit no matter how much patience and love you pour forth thinking it wise.

Let me ask who is the one with the humble spirit?

 

[Blik]

that's a lame horse blik

in fact, it died due to lack of water some time back...double meaning here by the way

however I believe you when you say you cannot find certain scriptures. they are in your Bible and have been quoted to you over and over and over

like I said, now you are getting angry because I didn't buy the boo hoo part of your posts

telling me to find my mouth is what? joy, peace and happiness?

didn't think so.

I am not angry. I find, though, that your attacking me personally is a rotten way to discuss scripture.

We do disagree. Paul tells us that we go to Christ with our sin, and then we accept Christ. That includes repentance, and repentance means that you prefer not to sin. Your statements against trying not to sin, to accept sin in ourselves is not in scripture but repentance is.

That we can not be perfect is true, but I don't find it stated anywhere that it means we are to accept sins. It is not possible to give sin to Christ and purposely keep sin.

 

[Lion222]

Who is compromising the word of God?

People who reject the very real call to holiness as children of God. Those who consider it not possible with God to put away your sin and begin to live the rest of your life for the Glory of God.
The same who do not put their faith in God for the very purpose of the Gospel as Peter puts it.

All of us should call one another to the fullness of the stature of Christ Jesus that is ours in the Salvation God has provided as those who have faith for it.

 

[Lion222]

holy here means to be set apart from the world As God is set apart from the World. Your point is?

So set apart as God is set apart? Holy always means set apart.
Be set apart as God is set apart then.
The point is if God you father is holy then you are also to be holy as He is, if He is in fact your father.

Which reminded me of another verse
No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 7Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil - 1 John 3

 

[lenna]

I am not angry. I find, though, that your attacking me personally is a rotten way to discuss scripture.

We do disagree. Paul tells us that we go to Christ with our sin, and then we accept Christ. That includes repentance, and repentance means that you prefer not to sin. Your statements against trying not to sin, to accept sin in ourselves is not in scripture but repentance is.

That we can not be perfect is true, but I don't find it stated anywhere that it means we are to accept sins. It is not possible to give sin to Christ and purposely keep sin.

quit the drama

you could make a person have whiplash the way you change what is actually said

you NEVER address any scripture posted in rebuttal of your opinions yet you seem to love to create personal conflict

you disagree with scripture. not with me.

you find the way you do because you CANNOT respond to scripture that is posted to show you that you are wrong in constantly judging others

oh how do I judge others you say? here is a sample post of how you do so:

Certainly not the true church of the Lord, or even of the earthly organized church that truly believes in all scripture. But I speak of the churches like six of the churches told of in Revelation that were not pleasing to God.

the true church. who is that exactly in your opinion? only those who agree with you and Revelation does not confirm what you state as I already posted which you ignored. now why don't you ask me where? go back and read it. you KNOW I responded because you receive a notice that I responded just like everyone else does when someone responds to their post

how about this from my post 251. THIS IS SCRIPTURE THAT TOTALLY REFUTES YOUR POSITION YET YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT. this is not a personal attack, unless you feel the NT is attacking you also? it almost seems like a game with you the way you go round and round and round but never state anything of substance with regards to your judging others.

how about a response to the following scripture. this is where you have your actual problem. it totally blows away what you say and has nothing to do with an attack. your comments about being attacked are false. you need to address this scripture

Mark 16:

1When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so they could go and anoint the body of Jesus.

9Early on the first day of the week, after Jesus had risen,

the 7th day was a cessation from all labor...the Israelites labored for their salvation, albeit in faith, that those labors were pleasing to God as He had appointed them

Jesus, fulfilled all those labors as no more sacrifice, no more ceremonial cleansing, no more 613 laws to comply with and so on

these things were only a shadow of what was to come...the promise of a better way, an eternal way of salvation

For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves. It can never, by the same sacrifices offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. Hebrews 10:1

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.
18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind.
19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow. Colossians 2

the reality is Jesus and our rest is IN Him. no more works as the work of Jesus, in complete obedience and sinlessness, is complet

 

[Lion222]

I am not angry. I find, though, that your attacking me personally is a rotten way to discuss scripture.

We do disagree. Paul tells us that we go to Christ with our sin, and then we accept Christ. That includes repentance, and repentance means that you prefer not to sin. Your statements against trying not to sin, to accept sin in ourselves is not in scripture but repentance is.

That we can not be perfect is true, but I don't find it stated anywhere that it means we are to accept sins. It is not possible to give sin to Christ and purposely keep sin.

For me perfect is what was deposited in us, enabling us to live from that perfection we know as the Holy Spirit.
That would be why Peter says those who have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin...
So that they might begin to live the rest of their lives for the Glory of God.
AKA Faith in God through Jesus Christ.
AKA walking according to the Spirit no longer fulfilling the deeds of the flesh (sin)
For what was impossible with Man God did...
So comes the term "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling"
so we can be assured of our faith is not a self deception rooted in words of reasoning but in the power of God himself transforming us into the image of Christ.

 

[Lion222]

Here is another misunderstanding.

"the Joy of the lord is your strength"

Everybody trying to muster up the joy of the lord....
AKA fake it till they make it.

What it means is
The joy of the lord, (over you) is your strength.


We can either grieve the holy spirit by which we have been saved by our faithless sin and become weak in our hearts.
or we can through our faithful obedience bring him Joy and be strengthened in our own hearts.

The wicked flee when no man pursueth; But the righteous are bold as a lion. - Pr 28:1

 

[eternally-gratefull]

People who reject the very real call to holiness as children of God. Those who consider it not possible with God to put away your sin and begin to live the rest of your life for the Glory of God.
The same who do not put their faith in God for the very purpose of the Gospel as Peter puts it.

All of us should call one another to the fullness of the stature of Christ Jesus that is ours in the Salvation God has provided as those who have faith for it.

Well the only people I know who do this are people who are trying to earn their salvation by producing self righteousness and not the righteousness which comes From God in faith

 

[Blik]

quit the drama

you could make a person have whiplash the way you change what is actually said

you NEVER address any scripture posted in rebuttal of your opinions yet you seem to love to create personal conflict

you disagree with scripture. not with me.

you find the way you do because you CANNOT respond to scripture that is posted to show you that you are wrong in constantly judging others

oh how do I judge others you say? here is a sample post of how you do so:



the true church. who is that exactly in your opinion? only those who agree with you and Revelation does not confirm what you state as I already posted which you ignored. now why don't you ask me where? go back and read it. you KNOW I responded because you receive a notice that I responded just like everyone else does when someone responds to their post

how about this from my post 251. THIS IS SCRIPTURE THAT TOTALLY REFUTES YOUR POSITION YET YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT. this is not a personal attack, unless you feel the NT is attacking you also? it almost seems like a game with you the way you go round and round and round but never state anything of substance with regards to your judging others.

how about a response to the following scripture. this is where you have your actual problem. it totally blows away what you say and has nothing to do with an attack. your comments about being attacked are false. you need to address this scripture

Mark 16:

1When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so they could go and anoint the body of Jesus.

9Early on the first day of the week, after Jesus had risen,

the 7th day was a cessation from all labor...the Israelites labored for their salvation, albeit in faith, that those labors were pleasing to God as He had appointed them

Jesus, fulfilled all those labors as no more sacrifice, no more ceremonial cleansing, no more 613 laws to comply with and so on

these things were only a shadow of what was to come...the promise of a better way, an eternal way of salvation

For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves. It can never, by the same sacrifices offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. Hebrews 10:1

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.
18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind.
19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow. Colossians 2

the reality is Jesus and our rest is IN Him. no more works as the work of Jesus, in complete obedience and sinlessness, is complet

Where is the scripture you quoted does it say that the Sabbath is changed? Where does it say "Christ rose on Sunday"? It was Sunday when they discovered that Christ rose, but it does not say when He rose. How does the discovery of this affect the Sabbath? That was established at creation, and that Christ rose does not establish Sabbath.

Frankly, this is such a minor issue. Why it is made into something as major as you are making it? If I believe that scripture tells us that God said it was a Sabbath it is only quoting scripture, yet it is made an issue of name calling, snobbery, hateful posts. Unbelievable. The only thing major about it is whether you believe scripture is truth or not.

 

[lenna]

Where is the scripture you quoted does it say that the Sabbath is changed? Where does it say "Christ rose on Sunday"? It was Sunday when they discovered that Christ rose, but it does not say when He rose. How does the discovery of this affect the Sabbath? That was established at creation, and that Christ rose does not establish Sabbath.

Frankly, this is such a minor issue. Why it is made into something as major as you are making it? If I believe that scripture tells us that God said it was a Sabbath it is only quoting scripture, yet it is made an issue of name calling, snobbery, hateful posts. Unbelievable. The only thing major about it is whether you believe scripture is truth or not.

oh now it's all a minor issue.

address this scripture:

For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves. It can never, by the same sacrifices offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. Hebrews 10:1

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.
18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind.
19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow. Colossians 2


I mean if you don't, then you obviously cannot

do you not see where it says the law is only a shadow?

you judge those who do not do what you do

anyway, you are exhibiting rather hypocritical behavior that is more than obvious . you cannot tell us only real believers keep the Sabbath and then state it's all a minor issue

awaiting your response on the scripture that states we let no one judge us that harps on about the OT covenant. that is the one included in this post in case you cannot find it. again.

 

[Blik]

oh now it's all a minor issue.

address this scripture:

For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves. It can never, by the same sacrifices offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. Hebrews 10:1

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.
18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind.
19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow. Colossians 2


I mean if you don't, then you obviously cannot

do you not see where it says the law is only a shadow?

you judge those who do not do what you do

anyway, you are exhibiting rather hypocritical behavior that is more than obvious . you cannot tell us only real believers keep the Sabbath and then state it's all a minor issue

awaiting your response on the scripture that states we let no one judge us that harps on about the OT covenant. that is the one included in this post in case you cannot find it. again.

I don't think that when scripture tells us that the law is a shadow of things to come it is to be understood that it cancels all other scripture. The things to come is that we will live with the Lord in heaven, we will need no law. That statement does not cancel the entire 119th psalm, or Romans 7:12 in which Paul states the law is holy, righteous, and good.

False prophets who were Gnostics entered the church of Corinth. They had told the church that God was spiritual only, and everything physical was against God including celebrating the salvation Christ brings. Paul told them Gnostics were wrong, to let no man judge their celebrations.

I may say that it is scripture to celebrate Christ, but I may not judge anyone who refuses to celebrate Christ with a feast. You are free to change the Sabbath and to deny the feasts, God gave you that freedom and no one has the right to deny you that freedom. You have no right to deny me the right to speak of scripture.

 

[Forcemyhand]

Psalm 130:5, “I looked to יהוה, My being has looked, And for His word I have waited. My being looks to יהוה More than those watching for morning, watching for morning. O Yisra’yl, wait for יהוה; For with יהוה there is loving-commitment. And with Him is much redemption.”

 

[soggykitten]

Ok then please explain your point and what your comments are meaning with your statement below? And how do you reconcile what Mark 15:42-43 says?


"No Christian worships a dead Christ."

I already did. What you're doing is like others I read on the net. You think you didn't accuse a Christian of worshiping a dead Christ because you did not say specifically those words, you worship a dead Christ.
However, you worded your remarks to a member here so that the readers could infer precisely that and without stating it directly.

"Jesus was in the tomb for three days and three nights. He did not resurrect on Sunday."

I reconciled all of it with my post and scripture proofs.
I don't expect anyone who thinks Jesus rose on Sunday to change their minds regardless of the scripture, the Hebrew Nisan, or any other evidence to support the fact Jesus arose on Saturday.

I'm not going to go back and forth on this. The Bible says what it says. People believe what they want to believe.