Three Days and Three Nights
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mikniks,
re: "it makes a BIG difference as HE was in the heart of the earth the moment THE SPIRIT left the visible shell of HIS BODY "
And again, what difference would it make whether His spirit went to the "heart of the earth" at the time of His death (3pn) or His body was put in the tomb before sundown in order to calculate the three days and three nights? Either way would be occurring during calendar day 1 and daytime 1.
re: "it makes a BIG difference as HE was in the heart of the earth the moment THE SPIRIT left the visible shell of HIS BODY "
And again, what difference would it make whether His spirit went to the "heart of the earth" at the time of His death (3pn) or His body was put in the tomb before sundown in order to calculate the three days and three nights? Either way would be occurring during calendar day 1 and daytime 1.
And remember, this topic is essentially directed to those 6th day of the week crucifixion believing folks who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb and who think that it was common at the time to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have taken place.
it is indeed a Jewish idiom to count any part of a day as a whole day; but there is NO Way that can justify a Friday crucifixion.
Jesus was crucified on Thursday Abib 14; Which started sundown Wednesday and ended sundown Thursday. Jesus ate the Passover with the disciples on Wednesday night (The evening of the 14 of Abib). He was arrested Wednesday night after dinner. He was crucified Thursday morning Abib 14. He died and was entombed before sundown which began Abib 15, the Levitical Sabbath. Thursday night and Friday Abib 15 were one night and one day. Friday night began the 7th day Sabbath Abib 16, which continued until Saturday sundown.(2 nights and 2 days).
Lk 24:46
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
KJV
Ac 10:40
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
KJV
1 Co 15:4
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
KJV
Jesus was raised on the third day which began Saturday at sundown and was the day of Firstfruits.
Lev 23:7-11
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
9 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
KJV
Jesus was crucified on Thursday Abib 14; Which started sundown Wednesday and ended sundown Thursday. Jesus ate the Passover with the disciples on Wednesday night (The evening of the 14 of Abib). He was arrested Wednesday night after dinner. He was crucified Thursday morning Abib 14. He died and was entombed before sundown which began Abib 15, the Levitical Sabbath. Thursday night and Friday Abib 15 were one night and one day. Friday night began the 7th day Sabbath Abib 16, which continued until Saturday sundown.(2 nights and 2 days).
Lk 24:46
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
KJV
Ac 10:40
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
KJV
1 Co 15:4
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
KJV
Jesus was raised on the third day which began Saturday at sundown and was the day of Firstfruits.
Lev 23:7-11
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
9 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
KJV
the Jewish idiom of any part of a day actually being a day was invented by the pharisee types so that they could "keep sabbath" for a part of the day and claim they had honored it fully. The One who createrd the day, YHWH says it evening to evening;
Berĕshith/Genesis 1:5, " And Yah called the light ‘day’ and the darkness He called ‘night.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day."
Leviticus 23:32, "It is a Sabbath of rest to you, and you shall afflict your beings. On the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you observe your Sabbath.”
Berĕshith/Genesis 1:5, " And Yah called the light ‘day’ and the darkness He called ‘night.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day."
Leviticus 23:32, "It is a Sabbath of rest to you, and you shall afflict your beings. On the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you observe your Sabbath.”
My brother you went past the Sciptures that tell the story, Luke 24:19-21 "And He said to them, “What things?”
So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people,20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him.21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened."
Notice it is the third day on Sunday or the first day if the week since these things happened. The key is that the chief priests and the rules delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. What they are saying is that this is the third day that Jesus was in the heart of the earth. The idea that "the heart of the earth" is the tomb is not what these disciples are saying, they said this is the third day since these things happened.
John 18:28-29 “Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover.29 Pilate then went out to them and said, “What accusation do you bring against this Man?”
Early morning, if you do some research this is before 6 A.M. and it is what the disciples said started the three days, when He was delivered up to be condemd to death, and crucified. Then you look at Luke 24:1 “Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning...6 He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee,7 saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’”
This clearly shows that the idea of Jesus being in the Tomb for three days is not what Jesus taught His disciples, also "very early in the morning" is around 6 A.M. making Jesus being crucified on Thursday, because "the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him."At 6 A.M. or early in the morning on Thursday and the women came to the Tomb, "very early in the morning" or before 6 A.M. on the day He raised from the died. Making it 72 hours or three days and three nights, no parctial days or any type of trying to make something work. It is a literal three days and three nights, 72 hours or a literal fullfillment of three days. It also fullfills the High Day Sabbath being on the Friday and He was prepared on the Thursday before 6 P.M. to be placed in the Tomb.
If the three days in the heart of the earth is the Tomb, He was placed in the Tomb before 6 P.M. so if it was Wednesday, He should of risen on or after 6 P.M. Saturday, but the Scripture says, "beofre early morning" making it before 6 A.M. If it was Thursday before 6 P.M. that He was placed in the Tomb. He would have to rise on the forst day of the week at 6 P.M. to fulfill the three days and three nights, if the heart of the earth is the Tomb.
But that would go aganist what the disciples said in Luke 24:20-21, they did not say it's been three days since He was placed in the Tomb or the third day that He was placed in the Tomb. The idea that the Tomb has something to do with the three days in the heart of the earth, goes against Scripture.
I talked to someone that was teaching a class on apologetics and asked about the three days in the heart of the earth and they said they did not interest themselves on things that did not matter. In other words they had no qule as to what it was, when I gave what the Scriptures says. They rsponded it did not matter, that was weak. Instead of saying can we look at that more or I will look into it more, they gave that weak a** answer. We always need to look at Scripture and agree with Scripture even when it goes against what we might believe or teach.
So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people,20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him.21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened."
Notice it is the third day on Sunday or the first day if the week since these things happened. The key is that the chief priests and the rules delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. What they are saying is that this is the third day that Jesus was in the heart of the earth. The idea that "the heart of the earth" is the tomb is not what these disciples are saying, they said this is the third day since these things happened.
John 18:28-29 “Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover.29 Pilate then went out to them and said, “What accusation do you bring against this Man?”
Early morning, if you do some research this is before 6 A.M. and it is what the disciples said started the three days, when He was delivered up to be condemd to death, and crucified. Then you look at Luke 24:1 “Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning...6 He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee,7 saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’”
This clearly shows that the idea of Jesus being in the Tomb for three days is not what Jesus taught His disciples, also "very early in the morning" is around 6 A.M. making Jesus being crucified on Thursday, because "the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him."At 6 A.M. or early in the morning on Thursday and the women came to the Tomb, "very early in the morning" or before 6 A.M. on the day He raised from the died. Making it 72 hours or three days and three nights, no parctial days or any type of trying to make something work. It is a literal three days and three nights, 72 hours or a literal fullfillment of three days. It also fullfills the High Day Sabbath being on the Friday and He was prepared on the Thursday before 6 P.M. to be placed in the Tomb.
If the three days in the heart of the earth is the Tomb, He was placed in the Tomb before 6 P.M. so if it was Wednesday, He should of risen on or after 6 P.M. Saturday, but the Scripture says, "beofre early morning" making it before 6 A.M. If it was Thursday before 6 P.M. that He was placed in the Tomb. He would have to rise on the forst day of the week at 6 P.M. to fulfill the three days and three nights, if the heart of the earth is the Tomb.
But that would go aganist what the disciples said in Luke 24:20-21, they did not say it's been three days since He was placed in the Tomb or the third day that He was placed in the Tomb. The idea that the Tomb has something to do with the three days in the heart of the earth, goes against Scripture.
I talked to someone that was teaching a class on apologetics and asked about the three days in the heart of the earth and they said they did not interest themselves on things that did not matter. In other words they had no qule as to what it was, when I gave what the Scriptures says. They rsponded it did not matter, that was weak. Instead of saying can we look at that more or I will look into it more, they gave that weak a** answer. We always need to look at Scripture and agree with Scripture even when it goes against what we might believe or teach.
Agreed. And Jesus said that He would be in the heart of the earth (Sheol/Hades) for three day and three nights. Also His enemies verified this to Pilate when they quoted Him "After three days I will rise again" (Mt 27:63). If Christ arose after three days, it would have been anytime after 6:00 p.m. on Saturday (when the first day of the week began). Accordingly:
Nisan 14 (Passover) -- Tues 6:00 pm to Wed 6:00 pm Christ died at about 3:00 p.m.
Nisan 15 (Special sabbath for the Feast of Unleavened Bread) -- Wed 6:00 pm to Thur 6:00 pm -- Christ entombed -- Day 1
Nisan 16 -- Thur 6:00 pm to Fri 6:00 pm -- Day 2
Nisan 17 -- Fri 6:00 pm to Sat 6:00 pm -- Day 3 (three days and three nights completed)
Nisan 18 -- Sat 6:00 pm to Sun 6:00 pm -- Day of of Resurrection -- Christ probably arose after midnight.
Nisan 14 (Passover) -- Tues 6:00 pm to Wed 6:00 pm Christ died at about 3:00 p.m.
Nisan 15 (Special sabbath for the Feast of Unleavened Bread) -- Wed 6:00 pm to Thur 6:00 pm -- Christ entombed -- Day 1
Nisan 16 -- Thur 6:00 pm to Fri 6:00 pm -- Day 2
Nisan 17 -- Fri 6:00 pm to Sat 6:00 pm -- Day 3 (three days and three nights completed)
Nisan 18 -- Sat 6:00 pm to Sun 6:00 pm -- Day of of Resurrection -- Christ probably arose after midnight.
Because it matters.
It didnt have to take the physical body of THE LORD being in the "heart of the earth" in order to calculate the three days and three nights
it was when the spirit left HIS body that HE was in the "heart of the earth"
that is when THE LORD descended and went somewhere else (under the earth)
as referred in 1 Peter 3
It didnt have to take the physical body of THE LORD being in the "heart of the earth" in order to calculate the three days and three nights
it was when the spirit left HIS body that HE was in the "heart of the earth"
that is when THE LORD descended and went somewhere else (under the earth)
as referred in 1 Peter 3
Hi Posters,
I had written before on this topic and the evidence of the days is quite clear from the Scriptures. --- The Day of the Passover was Nisan 14, and that had to be Wednesday that year.
John 19:31Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
The 14 of Nisan was the first of the 8 day feast of Unleavened Bread. It was still a business day, and it was the ‘preparation day,’ for the special Sabbath, the first day of the seven day feast. So it WAS NOT a regular Sabbath.
Now notice this history from Matthew 27:62 On the next day (Thursday), which followed the Day of Preparation (Wednesday), the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
65 Pilate said to them, “You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.” 66 So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard.
--- So the tomb was guarded for the three days from Thursday through the day until Sunday morning when the women came. (There was no use of them coming while the guards were still there and the tomb was sealed.) --- And the guards were startled by this on the Sunday Morning, Matthew 28:1 Now after the Sabbath (Saturday), as the first day of the week (Sunday) began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
--- We have to forget what we were taught about a Friday death on that ‘preparation day,’ and believe the Scriptures.
I had written before on this topic and the evidence of the days is quite clear from the Scriptures. --- The Day of the Passover was Nisan 14, and that had to be Wednesday that year.
John 19:31Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
The 14 of Nisan was the first of the 8 day feast of Unleavened Bread. It was still a business day, and it was the ‘preparation day,’ for the special Sabbath, the first day of the seven day feast. So it WAS NOT a regular Sabbath.
Now notice this history from Matthew 27:62 On the next day (Thursday), which followed the Day of Preparation (Wednesday), the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
65 Pilate said to them, “You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.” 66 So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard.
--- So the tomb was guarded for the three days from Thursday through the day until Sunday morning when the women came. (There was no use of them coming while the guards were still there and the tomb was sealed.) --- And the guards were startled by this on the Sunday Morning, Matthew 28:1 Now after the Sabbath (Saturday), as the first day of the week (Sunday) began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
--- We have to forget what we were taught about a Friday death on that ‘preparation day,’ and believe the Scriptures.
the context is and has to be taken in to account jewish customs . Jesus died he was dead on the day he died and was buried whcih he was still dead if I died on frday, I am dead on that day, if I am still dead on sat I am still dead that day if I raise from the dead on Sunday I was dead until I rose.
Matthew 12:40 and Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1
Matthew 12:40 and Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1