Three Days and Three Nights

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The Two Sabbaths of Passover

Most people believe that Y’shua (Jesus) died on Passover and arose on Sunday. However, is this what the Scriptures prove? In order to get the whole picture one must piece together the information given in the gospels, co-ordinating this picture with the information in the Old Testament describing what was going on during the Passover season.

We know that Y’shua celebrated the Passover in obedience to the commandments to do so given in Leviticus 23, Exodus 12 and Numbers 28:16-25. He began the events leading to His death by celebrating this event for which He instructed His disciples to prepare:

And the disciples went out, and came to the city, and found it just as He (Y’shua) had told them; and they prepared the Passover. Mark 14:16

After eating the Passover meal (seder), Y’shua went to the Garden of Gethsemane with the disciples to pray. (Matthew 26:36-46; Mark 14:32-42; Luke 22:40-46)

And they came to a place named Gethsemane; and He said to His disciples, "Sit here until I have prayed." Mark 14:32

After praying, Y’shua was arrested, tried and on the cross by 9 a.m. the next day.

And having arrested Him, they led Him away, and brought Him to the house of the high priest... Luke 22:54

Now when morning had come, all the chief priests and the elders of the people took counsel against Y’shua to put Him to death;
[SUP]2[/SUP] and they bound Him, and led Him away, and delivered Him up to Pilate. Matthew 27:1-2

And it was the third hour when they crucified Him. Mark 15:25

As most everyone knows, Messiah died, was buried and resurrected. The traditional teaching says that Y’shua died on Friday, the weekly Sabbath, (good Friday) and arose on the following Sunday. However, Y’shua, HIMSELF, said,

for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:40

Is it possible to get three days AND three nights from Friday to Sunday? No, it is not. Therefore, from Messiah’s own words we can see that this teaching cannot be correct. Therefore, exactly what did happen?

Leviticus 23 gives us the important and “missing” information in the traditional teaching. Because we have not bothered to put the New Testament account into its Old Testament framework, we have misunderstood and misconstrued the events of the Passover season in which Y’shua died and was resurrected. Therefore, to understand what happened, let’s look at this missing info.

[SUP]5[/SUP]In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight (*when God says a new day begins) is Yahweh's Passover.
[SUP]6[/SUP] 'Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to Yahweh; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.
[SUP]7[/SUP] 'On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.
[SUP]8[/SUP] 'But for seven days you shall present an offering by fire to Yahweh. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.'" Leviticus 23:5-8 (*my commentary)

This passage tells us that the Passover is on the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] and the Feast of Unleavened Bread begins the 15[SUP]th[/SUP]; they are back-to-back. The first day (and the last day) of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath. This is a “special” Sabbath, also called a “high Sabbath”. Therefore, the Sabbath for which Y’shua had to be removed from the cross was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, not the weekly Sabbath. (The weekly Sabbath does play a part in Y’shua’s timeline, which we will shortly see.) Unlike the weekly Sabbath that is every Friday night to Saturday night, this special Sabbath can fall on any day of the week.

To make all of these events fit, we can count backwards from the weekly Sabbath and figure out what evening Y’shua and the disciples had the Passover meal and what day He was crucified. The timeline of events would look like this:
Tuesday night – Passover Seder (meal), prayer in Gethsemane, arrested,
brought before the Jews
Wednesday morning – before Pilate, on the cross by 9 a.m., dead by 3 p.m.²
Wednesday night – Y’shua in the tomb – first night, High Sabbath begins
Thursday – Y’shua in the tomb – first day, High Sabbath,
Thursday night – Y’shua in the tomb, second night, end of High Sabbath
Friday – Y’shua in the tomb, second day, spices bought & prepared
Friday night – Y’shua in the tomb, third night, weekly Sabbath begins
Saturday – Y’shua in the tomb third day, weekly Sabbath
Saturday Night – Y’shua NOT IN THE TOMB, End of weekly Sabbath
Agreed...and we must not forget that EVERY SABBATH has it's 'own preparation day which can also fall on other days than a friday.
 
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Agreed...and we must not forget that EVERY SABBATH has it's 'own preparation day which can also fall on other days than a friday.
I was unable to understand this for about 40 years. Once I studied the customs of the OT (especially the ceremonial parts) and how they applied to the time frame of the Gospels, it was if a cloud was lifted from my understanding. Understanding the ceremonial Law doesn't make one a legalist or a Judaizer any more than studying how the Devil operates makes one a Satanist.
 

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I didn't read everything but one thing has to remain unchanging in all this. CHRIST had to rise on the first day of the week
 
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I didn't read everything but one thing has to remain unchanging in all this. CHRIST had to rise on the first day of the week
Doesn't scripture say that the witnesses arrived at the tomb early Sunday morning? All that tells us is that Jesus rose sometime before they got there.
 
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Here's another presentation of the information:

[SIZE=+1]WHEN DID JESUS RISE FROM THE DEAD?[/SIZE]
The tradition of a Sunday Morning resurrection is very much a part of modern Christianity. Most everyone thinks of a Sunday morning resurrection. After all the Sunrise services seem to imply that this is when Jesus arose from the dead. But Jesus said, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth (Matthew 12:40)." "Three days and three nights" means seventy-two hours. Jesus defined the length of a day in John 11:9. Our Lord said, "Are there not twelve hours in a day?" Well, if there are twelve in a day, then there are twelve hours in a night. And therefore, three days and three nights would be 72 hours.

If Jesus was placed in the grave at sundown as the Scriptures teach. See Luke 23:54; "And that day was the preparation, and the Sabbath (Passover Sabbath was Thursday on that week) drew on." Then His resurrection had to be seventy-two hours later at sundown. If you accept a Sunday morning resurrection then Christ stayed in the grave for three days and four nights. Not three days and three nights as Jesus said.

Have you ever wondered how Jesus Christ could be crucified on Friday and be resurrected on Sunday after being buried for three days? Well, that's impossible! You cannot squeeze three days between Friday and Sunday. By no stretch of the imagination is it possible to stretch the period from Friday evening to Sunday morning into "three days and three nights."

We believe that Jesus Christ died on a Wednesday. We do not believe that Jesus died on Friday. Let's turn to Matthew 12:40, and notice Christ's own prophecy pertaining to His death, burial, and resurrection. "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth (Matthew 12:40)." "Three days and three nights" means seventy-two hours. Jesus defined the length of a day in John 11:9. Our Lord said, "Are there not twelve hours in a day?" Well, if there are twelve hours in a day, then there are twelve hours in a night. And therefore, three days and three nights would be 72 hours. Anything less than 72 hours would not fulfill the prophecy of Jonah or the words of Jesus Christ.

Perhaps you're wondering why the vast majority of Christians accept the Friday-to-Sunday burial of Christ if it is wrong? The only answer that can be given is tradition. "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. (Colossians 2:8)." This is a tradition not taught in the Bible. Ash Wednesday and Lent also are not in the Bible. Even the word "Easter" is pagan, and it is not found in the Bible. In the King James Version the word "Easter" does occur in Acts 12:4, but is a mistranslation. The word "Easter" comes from the word "Ish-tar" and is the same as Ashtaroth, a pagan deity. We celebrate the resurrection of Christ again from the dead.

In order to explain the Good Friday tradition, the proponents say that Christ was buried during parts of three days and nights. That is Christ was buried for part of Friday, part of Saturday, and a part of Sunday.

Sometimes people ask, "Didn't the Jews count part of a day a whole day or part of a night as a whole night?" Whenever you have the expression "day and night" mentioned together in the Hebrew Scriptures, it always means a full day and a full night. For example, "And the evening and the morning were the first day (Genesis 1:8)"; "And the evening and morning were the second day (Genesis 1:13)"; "And the evening and morning were the third day (Genesis 1:13)"; and so on. Other examples are Esther 4:16; 5:1; II Samuel 30:12-13 and Jonah 1:17, where you will find the expression "three days and three nights," and in every instance it means full days and full nights - not part of a day and part of a night.

Let's see what the scriptures teach us as we look at an example in the life of Christ. The Scripture says, "And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungered (Matthew 4:2)." Jesus fasted forty days and forty nights. If we say, as some do, that "three days and three nights" does not mean "three days and three nights", then we must also say that "forty days and forty nights" does not mean "forty days and forty nights." Where do we stop? Do we say that we really can't be sure about anything? Of course not! We believe the Bible to be literal.

Part of the confusion has come from verses like John 19:31. This verse says, "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day (for that Sabbath day was an high day), besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." The Sabbath in John 19:31 is not the regular Saturday Sabbath. It was the Passover Sabbath, which occurred on Thursday of the crucifixion week. Note that John 19:31 says, "For that Sabbath day was an high day." If it were talking of the Saturday Sabbath, then Christ would have been crucified on Friday. All the feast days God gave to Israel were considered Sabbaths though they did not fall on Saturday. Jesus was crucified on the preparation (Wednesday) of the Sabbath (Passover Sabbath) which was Thursday.

Now at what time of the day did Jesus die? It was around three in the afternoon on Wednesday. "And it was about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: And having said thus, he gave up the ghost (Luke 23:44-46)." When it says the ninth hour, it means the ninth hour since the break of day. In other words, it was three o'clock in the afternoon. Jesus was taken away from the cross and hurriedly buried the same afternoon before sundown or 6:00 p.m.

Now remember that the Jewish day always begins at sundown or at about 6:eek:o p.m. Our day begins at midnight, but the Jewish day began at sunset. In Leviticus 23:32, the Lord said, "From even unto even shall ye celebrate your Sabbath."

If you count 72 hours from late Wednesday afternoon at around 6:00 p.m., then Jesus would have been in the tomb until late Saturday evening at about 6:00 p.m.

So, a Sunday morning resurrection is not what the Bible teaches. We believe that Jesus was resurrected on Saturday evening at about 6:00 p.m. Jesus was placed in the tomb at around 6:00 p.m. on Wednesday. Seventy-two hours later would be at around 6:00 p.m. on Saturday, exactly when the first day began (Sunday). Even at this hour the Jewish Sunday night begins at Saturday night at 6:00 p.m.

When the women arrived at the tomb early Sunday morning, Jesus was already gone. The Gospel is summed up in I Corinthians 15:3-4, "...Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures." Those who arrived early Sunday morning simply discovered an empty tomb. The angel said, "He is not here, for He is risen (Luke 24:6)." So the discovery occurred in the morning. Not the resurrection.

One objection to a Wednesday crucifixion is found in Luke 24:21, which says, "But we trusted that it had been He which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these things were done." This conversation takes place on Sunday, the day of resurrection. The answer is found in the word "since." Counting from this verse, Sunday is the third day, Saturday the second day, Friday is the first day SINCE the Passover. The Thursday Passover (Jewish reckoning) had its night on what we would call Wednesday night and twilight of that night, meaning between 3:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m., is when Christ was crucified. The twilight of Thursday afternoon would have counted as the twilight of Friday night, which began at 6:00 p.m. by Jewish reckoning. So we see there is no conflict.
 

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Doesn't scripture say that the witnesses arrived at the tomb early Sunday morning? All that tells us is that Jesus rose sometime before they got there.
I'm also a Wednesday-Crucifixion proponent, for the above (and a few other) reasons.

Its funny, a list of non-scriptural tradition and folklore which have crept into doctrine would be crammed with stories from Jesus' Nativity and Crucifixion. Unfortunately, it makes skeptics' attacks easier when certain believers are defending not scripture, but their Hallmark cards. OK, maybe its not funny.
 
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I'm also a Wednesday-Crucifixion proponent, for the above (and a few other) reasons.

Its funny, a list of non-scriptural tradition and folklore which have crept into doctrine would be crammed with stories from Jesus' Nativity and Crucifixion. Unfortunately, it makes skeptics' attacks easier when certain believers are defending not scripture, but their Hallmark cards. OK, maybe its not funny.
One could say it makes no difference at all when Jesus was resurrected and for the most part I would agree with them. It's not a salvation issue. What it does bring to light is proper study of the scriptures. Those who have disdain for the OT are not going to bother studying it. Oh, they might flip through it once in a while, or they might search out the OT scriptures that contain the promise of our Messiah, but that's about it. By doing so they miss out on a ton of information that will make their study of the NT more fruitful. If one doesn't understand the Feasts of the Lord, how could they possibly understand when the crucifixtion and resurrection took place? Similarly one can get an approximation of when Jesus was born by information in Luke that corresponds to information found in Chronicles. Like I've heard folks say, "The OT is the NT concealed. The NT is the OT revealed".

For a real eye opener, look into how Jewish weddings happened. There's information there that applies to the 2nd Advent.
 

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Doesn't scripture say that the witnesses arrived at the tomb early Sunday morning? All that tells us is that Jesus rose sometime before they got there.
Oh. Forgive me. I don't disagree with anything spoken of according to the WORD of TRUTH

Either regarding the three days or the three nights or HIS being raised on the first day of the week
 
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Oh. Forgive me. I don't disagree with anything spoken of according to the WORD of TRUTH

Either regarding the three days or the three nights or HIS being raised on the first day of the week
No forgiveness necessary. I was simply saying that because scripture only says that when they got to the tomb He wasn't there doesn't tell us when He was resurrected.
 

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One could say it makes no difference at all when Jesus was resurrected and for the most part I would agree with them. It's not a salvation issue. What it does bring to light is proper study of the scriptures. Those who have disdain for the OT are not going to bother studying it. Oh, they might flip through it once in a while, or they might search out the OT scriptures that contain the promise of our Messiah, but that's about it. By doing so they miss out on a ton of information that will make their study of the NT more fruitful. If one doesn't understand the Feasts of the Lord, how could they possibly understand when the crucifixtion and resurrection took place? Similarly one can get an approximation of when Jesus was born by information in Luke that corresponds to information found in Chronicles. Like I've heard folks say, "The OT is the NT concealed. The NT is the OT revealed".

For a real eye opener, look into how Jewish weddings happened. There's information there that applies to the 2nd Advent.
It makes a difference

What did you think "eight" signified throughout the WORD of GOD but a NEW DAY and a NEW CREATION

And in order for what was "6" to become "8" he/she would have to pass through the LORD's "Sabbath" which was signified as the 7th day and a day of rest
 
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One could say it makes no difference at all when Jesus was resurrected and for the most part I would agree with them. It's not a salvation issue. What it does bring to light is proper study of the scriptures. Those who have disdain for the OT are not going to bother studying it. Oh, they might flip through it once in a while, or they might search out the OT scriptures that contain the promise of our Messiah, but that's about it. By doing so they miss out on a ton of information that will make their study of the NT more fruitful. If one doesn't understand the Feasts of the Lord, how could they possibly understand when the crucifixtion and resurrection took place? Similarly one can get an approximation of when Jesus was born by information in Luke that corresponds to information found in Chronicles. Like I've heard folks say, "The OT is the NT concealed. The NT is the OT revealed".

For a real eye opener, look into how Jewish weddings happened. There's information there that applies to the 2nd Advent.
Its HUGELY important. If an OT prophecy pointing to Jesus can be proven as being fulfilled, then it cements the authority of the Bible, not only to believers (who might welcome, but don't require such proof) but also to non-believers who must then accept--according to their own materialist criteria--that something actually broke the physical laws of nature.
 

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Connock, Officermayo, beta, Talishi, watcher2013,
 

Thanks for the comments, but I'm afraid they are issues for a different topic.
 

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DP,
re: "Your thinking on that is kind of twisted."
I

clarified the OP in posts #142, 196 and 214.
 

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No forgiveness necessary. I was simply saying that because scripture only says that when they got to the tomb He wasn't there doesn't tell us when He was resurrected.

Are you calculating hours?
 

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God from the beginning signified what a "day" is defined as and a what a "night" is defined as
 

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I didn't read everything but one thing has to remain unchanging in all this. CHRIST had to rise on the first day of the week
Why 'had to ?
 

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Because HIS rising in the first day of the week signifies a New Day and a New Creation

Those who have celebrated the TRUE PASSOVER have passed through the LORD's sabbath day of rest and are inwardly circumcised and marked and Covenantes as belonging g to GOD in HIS SON
 

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Because HIS rising in the first day of the week signifies a New Day and a New Creation

Those who have celebrated the TRUE PASSOVER have passed through the LORD's sabbath day of rest and are inwardly circumcised and marked and Covenantes as belonging g to GOD in HIS SON
shouldn't have asked !
 

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shouldn't have asked !
Exactly so ! not only should we heed every word spoken from the mouth of God, we should heed scripture-the written word !!! and it says so in
1Cor 15v3,4....how Jesus died, was buried and rose again the 3rd day ACCORDING to SCRIPTURE !

If some people come up with a 24 or 36 hour resurrection they are obviously in ERROR according to JESUS OWN prediction Mat 12v40 - for 3 days and 3 nights are a total of 72 hours.

We don't need any 'information' re 'jewish idioms....we KNOW they are wrong and so are Christians using their own idioms !!!
It has nothing to do with hours other than how HE calculated a day as "is there not 12 hrs in a day"