There will be no Rapture!!!
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harpazo or gathering to Him is the same Event. it ain't a matter of wanting to stay or leave, it's a matter of correct interpretation.
Thank God, when this false idea about pre- trib was first presented by the CATHOLIC CHURCH FATHERS, the DISCIPLE of JOHN, IRENAEUS, wrote a Paper title AGAINST HERESIES and called pre-trib Doctrine a HERESY!
And then went on to explain how the Apostle John taught how it would happen.
so, enjoy your Heretical Views, and now you know why Darby is called a HERETIC, because of Irenaeus.
Thank God, when this false idea about pre- trib was first presented by the CATHOLIC CHURCH FATHERS, the DISCIPLE of JOHN, IRENAEUS, wrote a Paper title AGAINST HERESIES and called pre-trib Doctrine a HERESY!
And then went on to explain how the Apostle John taught how it would happen.
so, enjoy your Heretical Views, and now you know why Darby is called a HERETIC, because of Irenaeus.
One of the attacks I've seen is the claim that the pre-trib rapture was invented some 200 years ago.
Well, given that so much was hidden from the ancients until the appointed time, such as Daniel was commanded, there's nothing new in latter revelation, and so this claim falls flat on its meaningless face!
All Christians agree – or should agree – on these points: Both the Old Testament and Jesus promised to rule on this earth, AND Jesus Christ is coming again.
The disagreements are not always held with mutual respect. Someone treat others as stupid, deceived or unspiritual because the other doesn't believe what they do in these areas. Some are even so crass as to accuse others of doing the work of the Antichrist because they believe in the Pre-Tribulation catching away of the church. How sad indeed, and is a demonstration for the lack of spiritual depth in those making the accusation.
What do we make of this accusation that the teaching of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a recent invention, and that no one taught it or believed it before the 19th century? This too is an invention, specifically an invention of a Jesuit priest named Lacunza, or a crazy woman named Margret MacDonald, or other weird teachers like John Nelson Darby and C.I. Scofield...who knows.
What matters is what the scriptures actually say, and those who are the misfits incapable of keeping this on a conversational level, they are left to their own deceptive devices. I'm a firm believer in the freedoms we all have in Yahshuah! I'm not here to steal anyone's freedoms, and they will not steal mine.
MM
Well, given that so much was hidden from the ancients until the appointed time, such as Daniel was commanded, there's nothing new in latter revelation, and so this claim falls flat on its meaningless face!
All Christians agree – or should agree – on these points: Both the Old Testament and Jesus promised to rule on this earth, AND Jesus Christ is coming again.
The disagreements are not always held with mutual respect. Someone treat others as stupid, deceived or unspiritual because the other doesn't believe what they do in these areas. Some are even so crass as to accuse others of doing the work of the Antichrist because they believe in the Pre-Tribulation catching away of the church. How sad indeed, and is a demonstration for the lack of spiritual depth in those making the accusation.
What do we make of this accusation that the teaching of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a recent invention, and that no one taught it or believed it before the 19th century? This too is an invention, specifically an invention of a Jesuit priest named Lacunza, or a crazy woman named Margret MacDonald, or other weird teachers like John Nelson Darby and C.I. Scofield...who knows.
What matters is what the scriptures actually say, and those who are the misfits incapable of keeping this on a conversational level, they are left to their own deceptive devices. I'm a firm believer in the freedoms we all have in Yahshuah! I'm not here to steal anyone's freedoms, and they will not steal mine.
MM
CV5 acts like if Satan knew God's Plan he could stop it.
Satan knew God's plan for humans and tried to stop it 3 times in Genesis and FAILED. He knew and still failed.
He tried to stop Jesus, and literally ended up helping Jesus fulfill His mission on the CROSS.
But according to cv5, he can stop the Rapture if he knows about it.
cv5, Denial, [[is not]] a River that runs through Egypt, it's a State of Mind that YOU exist within!
Satan knew God's plan for humans and tried to stop it 3 times in Genesis and FAILED. He knew and still failed.
He tried to stop Jesus, and literally ended up helping Jesus fulfill His mission on the CROSS.
But according to cv5, he can stop the Rapture if he knows about it.
cv5, Denial, [[is not]] a River that runs through Egypt, it's a State of Mind that YOU exist within!
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it don't matter if SATAN KNOWS, what can he do about it, NOTHING!
i thought you were a Follower of God, but yet, "YOU" place such GREAT ATTRIBUTES towards Satan, like he could do anything to stop God
i thought you were a Follower of God, but yet, "YOU" place such GREAT ATTRIBUTES towards Satan, like he could do anything to stop God
Obviously. How in the world did that go over your head?
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Contrary to what you seem to believe, if I'm understanding you correctly, I don't see proximity to John as some sort of magical correlation with infallibility, even in Irenaeus. He taught false doctrine, which I pointed out in an earlier post. I'm left, therefore, wondering why you have such a heavy reliance upon him.
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Aaaahmmmm buddy? I was declaring JUST THE OPPOSITE! Satan can do NOTHING about the rapture, Jesus is in total control.
Obviously. How in the world did that go over your head?
Obviously. How in the world did that go over your head?
You said it is a secret kept from Satan.
cv5 said:
Hey buddy, FYI, the whole idea is that the rapture......IS a secret....TO SATAN AND HIS HOST!
so, why does God need anything to be a Secret, as if, anyone like Satan could stop it?
You are such a LIAR!
call yourself a man of God and continue one lie after another. You are DECEIVED!
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Is this a kindergarten class? You need nappy time buddy? Cannot pay attention nodding off?
THIS IS WHAT I SAID ABUT THAT.
"Hey buddy, FYI, the whole idea is that the rapture......IS a secret....TO SATAN AND HIS HOST!"
https://christianchat.com/threads/there-will-be-no-rapture.212356/post-5150522
"Not only that, there is good reason to believe that this rapture is Jesus' "ace" card so to speak. The rapture will happen "outside of time" leaving Satan totally out of the loop with no heads-up, countermeasures or options.
Which spurs him into furious action, knowing that his time of judgement is near."
https://christianchat.com/threads/there-will-be-no-rapture.212356/post-5149991
THIS IS WHAT I SAID ABUT THAT.
"Hey buddy, FYI, the whole idea is that the rapture......IS a secret....TO SATAN AND HIS HOST!"
https://christianchat.com/threads/there-will-be-no-rapture.212356/post-5150522
"Not only that, there is good reason to believe that this rapture is Jesus' "ace" card so to speak. The rapture will happen "outside of time" leaving Satan totally out of the loop with no heads-up, countermeasures or options.
Which spurs him into furious action, knowing that his time of judgement is near."
https://christianchat.com/threads/there-will-be-no-rapture.212356/post-5149991
I could also ask you this: Do you believe that every disciple John instructed remained in his teaching?
3 John 1:9 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us.
So, my encouragement to you is to turn a jaundiced eye toward Irenaeus and others thereafter, and rely ONLY upon what is written in the word of God. If you choose to be a product of Irenaeus and others who came after, then go for it. I'm not here to steal your freedom. Irenaeus is known to have taught falsehoods, and if you choose to not recognize that fact, then go for it! You can do as you please!
MM
3 John 1:9 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us.
So, my encouragement to you is to turn a jaundiced eye toward Irenaeus and others thereafter, and rely ONLY upon what is written in the word of God. If you choose to be a product of Irenaeus and others who came after, then go for it. I'm not here to steal your freedom. Irenaeus is known to have taught falsehoods, and if you choose to not recognize that fact, then go for it! You can do as you please!
MM
so, and of all the things Ireneaus mentions, this is the ONE thing, because it goes against your personal views, so this is one thing where we draw the line and claim Irenaeus is suddenly not infallible?
if that AIN'T convenient, nothing is!
I trust him, who KNEW the SOURCE personally, compared to YOU, who is pushing a now 10,000 second/third/4th hand opinion.
if that AIN'T convenient, nothing is!
I trust him, who KNEW the SOURCE personally, compared to YOU, who is pushing a now 10,000 second/third/4th hand opinion.
No, that teaching of his proved to go against the teachings of Christ, so follow him if you wish. I for one, will remain true to the words of John and all the other apostles, and especially Yahshuah. You follow the others thereafter if you so choose. If you feel that the cannon is incomplete, and therefore should be added to by others who follow afterward, then go for it; those who also teach what is contrary to the teachings of Christ Himself, then go for it, dude. I'm not here to seal any of your thunder in favor of those who are known to have taught falsehoods.
Go for it. Just go for it!
MM
Go for it. Just go for it!
MM