There will be no Rapture!!!
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Paul says it ALL:
when does Jesus Return and we are Gathered?
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,
2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
Verse 3 answer it by saying: Jesus Returns and we are GATHERED TOGETHER AFTER the man of lawlessness is revealed
Clearly, Pre-Trib is a MYTH!
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him = For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed
when does Jesus Return and we are Gathered?
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,
2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
Verse 3 answer it by saying: Jesus Returns and we are GATHERED TOGETHER AFTER the man of lawlessness is revealed
Clearly, Pre-Trib is a MYTH!
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him = For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed
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All this debating and Paul made it so clear.
1. Jesus Returns
2. We are gathered to Jesus [Rapture]
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this happens AFTER Man of Lawlessness is revealed.
so, it goes in CORRECT BIBLICAL ORDER:
1. AC is Revealed
2. Jesus Returns
3. We are gathered
AC, don't get revealed until Mid Point Tribulation.
1. Jesus Returns
2. We are gathered to Jesus [Rapture]
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this happens AFTER Man of Lawlessness is revealed.
so, it goes in CORRECT BIBLICAL ORDER:
1. AC is Revealed
2. Jesus Returns
3. We are gathered
AC, don't get revealed until Mid Point Tribulation.
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I know this is your theory, that there has to be a period of seven years in heaven represented by seven days in heaven. But the issue is not what your theory is, but rather what the Bible actually teaches. The Bible teaches that Jesus will come. At His coming, the dead in Christ are resurrected and we which are alive and remain are raptured to meet the Lord in the air. We also see in II Thessalonians 2, that at His coming the Lawless one will be destroyed.
What I am asking for is where THE BIBLE teaches an additional return of Christ or a pretribulation rapture. That's what pretribbers cannot produce, not using the set of scriptures we all accept.
The only attempt I have seen is to try to redefine the apostacy as a reference to the rapture. Many pre-tribbers don't want to go that far with their exegesis, since a departure from the faith was part of Paul's teachings about the last days. Christ also taught about the love of many waxing cold before the coming of the Son of Man.
John 3:29 does not teach the
What I am asking for is where THE BIBLE teaches an additional return of Christ or a pretribulation rapture. That's what pretribbers cannot produce, not using the set of scriptures we all accept.
The only attempt I have seen is to try to redefine the apostacy as a reference to the rapture. Many pre-tribbers don't want to go that far with their exegesis, since a departure from the faith was part of Paul's teachings about the last days. Christ also taught about the love of many waxing cold before the coming of the Son of Man.
John 3:29 does not teach the
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Bro.....pre-tribbers have yet to hear a single decent rebuttal. Refutations are generally little more than bitter denials. One liners like what @DJT_47 just posted. Uncalled-for red-X's. Or red herrings and misdirection.
The few honest questions are very VERY easy to spot BTW. These people are "good soil" so to speak.
Another interesting observation:
Pre-tribbers are pretty darn happy about the whole "uber-gracious" scope of it all.
A free ticket "EK" OUT OF the "PLACE-TIME-CAUSE" of God wrath.
Post-tribbers demand fire, blood and beheadings. In what amounts to ghoulish glee.
As to you "wrath" question, there are all kinds of wrath events in the Bible. Some flee from it, some die in the crossfire but are still "saved", some go thru it and survive, and some actually "get judged" die as a result of being condemned aka damned. All groups of which are present in Revelation Trib wrath.
Yea........ the Bible is complicated. Complex. Multi-faceted. Nuanced.
Some see the glittering truths.....and some don't buddy.
Thank God I am in the "do" camp.
Luk 21:23
But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Just to let you know, the little children all went to heaven. Yes, they died. But died "non-judged". Probably many other adults as well.
Wrong place wrong time and caught in the crossfire.
Question: is every person who has died in the Ukraine war "unsaved"?
The few honest questions are very VERY easy to spot BTW. These people are "good soil" so to speak.
Another interesting observation:
Pre-tribbers are pretty darn happy about the whole "uber-gracious" scope of it all.
A free ticket "EK" OUT OF the "PLACE-TIME-CAUSE" of God wrath.
Post-tribbers demand fire, blood and beheadings. In what amounts to ghoulish glee.
As to you "wrath" question, there are all kinds of wrath events in the Bible. Some flee from it, some die in the crossfire but are still "saved", some go thru it and survive, and some actually "get judged" die as a result of being condemned aka damned. All groups of which are present in Revelation Trib wrath.
Yea........ the Bible is complicated. Complex. Multi-faceted. Nuanced.
Some see the glittering truths.....and some don't buddy.
Thank God I am in the "do" camp.
Luk 21:23
But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Just to let you know, the little children all went to heaven. Yes, they died. But died "non-judged". Probably many other adults as well.
Wrong place wrong time and caught in the crossfire.
Question: is every person who has died in the Ukraine war "unsaved"?
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Rudeness? No. More accurately "rightness" of the pre-trib arguments.
Are there any post-tribber argument rebuttals to my posts? No. Nothing in the way of dialogue.
Only red-X attacks with nothing to back them up.
Simply posting pro pre-trib scriptures and arguments are cause of the red-X attacks. I have just reported all of the latest ones. Just to let you know.
Are there any post-tribber argument rebuttals to my posts? No. Nothing in the way of dialogue.
Only red-X attacks with nothing to back them up.
Simply posting pro pre-trib scriptures and arguments are cause of the red-X attacks. I have just reported all of the latest ones. Just to let you know.
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