The Young Messiah

[JimmyTheLock]

You ascribe to others things they don't say.

I'm speaking of the false doctrine of OSAS... then others come long and get upset that someone one dare disagree with OSAS and then claim me speaking against OSAS is accusing them personally.

If one is going to support OSAS doctrine, then own it! Don't be a cry baby about it as that just tells us you don't really believe the pet doctrine that you espouse!

This, however, does not make OSAS incorrect as a doctrine

That is your "opinion" that can only be substantiated by ascribing to a few happy verses while throwing the rest of God's Word in the trash!

Gnarly Charlie Stanley is held up, revered, and even idolized by the who's who in the OSAS zoo... so he is considered to be the leading authority on OSAS doctrine.

If you continue to speak this way about Gnarly Charlie, the OSAS cabal is going to call a meeting to re-evaluate your credentials as a member of the OSAS Association... so you might get the left foot of fellowship if you keep saying Gnarly Charlie doesn't know what he's talking about.

Personally I do commend you for at least acknowledging Gnarly Charlie Stanley is a nut... but sadly you're not out of the woods yet.

 

[Cameron143]

I'm speaking of the false doctrine of OSAS... then others come long and get upset that someone one dare disagree with OSAS and then claim me speaking against OSAS is accusing them personally.

If one is going to support OSAS doctrine, then own it! Don't be a cry baby about it as that just tells us you don't really believe the pet doctrine that you espouse! View attachment 257489




That is your "opinion" that can only be substantiated by ascribing to a few happy verses while throwing the rest of God's Word in the trash! View attachment 257490

Gnarly Charlie Stanley is held up, revered, and even idolized by the who's who in the OSAS zoo... so he is considered to be the leading authority on OSAS doctrine.

If you continue to speak this way about Gnarly Charlie, the OSAS cabal is going to call a meeting to re-evaluate your credentials as a member of the OSAS Association... so you might get the left foot of fellowship if you keep saying Gnarly Charlie doesn't know what he's talking about.

Personally I do commend you for at least acknowledging Gnarly Charlie Stanley is a nut... but sadly you're not out of the woods yet.

You write the same tired old things without ever considering what people share with you. You don't understand the biblical arguments for OSAS any more than you understand the biblical arguments for election. You recently posted that Adam and Eve possessed eternal life before the fall. Nowhere in the Bible is this found. Believing as you do it seems logical, but it is an unbiblical belief.
Unfortunately, this is true of you consistently in your posts. You make leaps in logic unsupported by scripture. In addition, you make use of scripture out of context, and misapply other scriptures. This happens when scripture is not revealed but considered through the natural mind.
I do hope you will take a moment to consider what I have shared and prayerfully evaluate it critically, and not merely long enough to form a response.

 

[JimmyTheLock]

the biblical arguments for election.

... can only be made by ignoring other scriptures that prove definitely that limited atonement is false doctrines.

I've been studying soteriology for a lot of years and calvinism is fake gospel, fake news, and not supported by scripture when one accepts the whole counsel of God.

One can only hold the position that TULIP is true... if they are cherry pickers, and scripture twisters.

So, thanks for thinking of me and all that but... you came way WAY too late to convert me to the false teachings of that unrepentant murderer John Calvin.... I know better because I know God's Word!

That's all calvinists have is gaslighting people... doesn't work on those of us to know God's Word, so enjoy thy deception whilst you can homie! It's your life, have at it!

 

[JimmyTheLock]

You recently posted that Adam and Eve possessed eternal life before the fall

God has eternal life... there is no darkness in God, so the only kind of life He could possibly give to Adam and Eve is eternal life.

They lost that eternal life due to SIN.... that same as lucifer who also had eternal life before he decided one day that he had the desire to lift himself up above God and become the supreme ruler... that was sin and itr caused him to fall from being in right standing with the Lord just like Adam and Eve.


Where the OSAS peoples (includes eternal security) fail is they REJECT God's Word!... God is NOT mocked... whatsoever a man sows, that shall He also reap he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. (Galatians 6:7-8)

They'll agree that when one is born again they did sow to the spirit and reaped life... but then they deny and ignore the rest of Galatians 6:7-8 claiming if one sows to the flesh (sins) they do not rep corruption.

In Gal 6:8, the word corruption is...

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fthora from G5351; decay, i.e. ruin -- corruption, destroy, perish.

G5351
strengthened from phthio (to pine or waste); properly, to shrivel or wither, i.e. to spoil or to ruin, by moral influences, to deprave): -- corrupt (self), defile, destroy.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that is mocking God!

The OSAS peoples don't know that salvation is on God's terms and what Jesus did at the Cross of Calvary... does not eliminate or do away with seedtime and harvest. God is not mocked!

In Jesus' classic teaching on sowing and reaping, He said "Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?" (Mark 4:13)

God created man in His Image, therefore just like God... mankind reaps what he sows and is responsible for the seeds he plants. If man does good, he'll receive good... if he does evil, he'll receive evil.

Romans 2:9-11
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.

It's too bad for all the OSAS, eternal security, calvin's people, martin's peoples.... obviously God's Word just work for these folks so they are off following the teachings of man instead. That's too bad, it really is.

 

[Cameron143]

... can only be made by ignoring other scriptures that prove definitely that limited atonement is false doctrines.

I've been studying soteriology for a lot of years and calvinism is fake gospel, fake news, and not supported by scripture when one accepts the whole counsel of God.

One can only hold the position that TULIP is true... if they are cherry pickers, and scripture twisters.

So, thanks for thinking of me and all that but... you came way WAY too late to convert me to the false teachings of that unrepentant murderer John Calvin.... I know better because I know God's Word!

That's all calvinists have is gaslighting people... doesn't work on those of us to know God's Word, so enjoy thy deception whilst you can homie! It's your life, have at it!

Oh, I didn't realize you had studied so long. You must be right then.
How about this? Is God just?

 

[Cameron143]

God has eternal life... there is no darkness in God, so the only kind of life He could possibly give to Adam and Eve is eternal life.

They lost that eternal life due to SIN.... that same as lucifer who also had eternal life before he decided one day that he had the desire to lift himself up above God and become the supreme ruler... that was sin and itr caused him to fall from being in right standing with the Lord just like Adam and Eve.


Where the OSAS peoples (includes eternal security) fail is they REJECT God's Word!... God is NOT mocked... whatsoever a man sows, that shall He also reap he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. (Galatians 6:7-8)

They'll agree that when one is born again they did sow to the spirit and reaped life... but then they deny and ignore the rest of Galatians 6:7-8 claiming if one sows to the flesh (sins) they do not rep corruption.

In Gal 6:8, the word corruption is...

G5356
fthora from G5351; decay, i.e. ruin -- corruption, destroy, perish.

G5351
strengthened from phthio (to pine or waste); properly, to shrivel or wither, i.e. to spoil or to ruin, by moral influences, to deprave): -- corrupt (self), defile, destroy.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that is mocking God!

The OSAS peoples don't know that salvation is on God's terms and what Jesus did at the Cross of Calvary... does not eliminate or do away with seedtime and harvest. God is not mocked!

In Jesus' classic teaching on sowing and reaping, He said "Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?" (Mark 4:13)

God created man in His Image, therefore just like God... mankind reaps what he sows and is responsible for the seeds he plants. If man does good, he'll receive good... if he does evil, he'll receive evil.

Romans 2:9-11
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.

It's too bad for all the OSAS, eternal security, calvin's people, martin's peoples.... obviously God's Word just work for these folks so they are off following the teachings of man instead. That's too bad, it really is.

Are you saying there is no natural life? Did animals possess eternal life? Did plants possess eternal life? What does it mean to possess eternal life?
I know you have alot to say, but can we confine the discussion to the actual questions being asked?

 

[JimmyTheLock]

Enjoy your calvinism man...

You're without excuse

 

[Cameron143]

Enjoy your calvinism man...

You're without excuse

Surely a man who has studied as long as you must feel at least a little responsibility to help someone so wayward. Please answer my question: is God just?

 

[JimmyTheLock]

Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

is God just?

What did God say about this in His Word???