THE WOMEN OF THE CHURCH

[John146]

The gospel being of importance. Jesus could of chose Peter, John, or James to bring the glorious news that Christ had risen. Jesus had defeated both sin and death.

This message was entrusted to multiple women to bring to men. If you take cultural norms into consideration this was not the way to do it. But as you can see the men didn't even trust the women.

This was the men being informed/taught of the beginning gospel message. He has risen! And then they shared everything else Jesus had spoken.

They were not being taught the gospel by those women. They were simply being informed of His resurrection. Later, the Lord would open their understanding why He died, was buried and resurrected.

Luke 24
4 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The real problem is that people are focusing on me and not the issue addressed in the OP. That "issue" being the position the Church Leaders who teach such about women are placing the women of their Church in.

The women in these Churches are not the ones who decided what their Church would believe/teach. It was the Church Leaders. And, yes, they are ALL men. The women are told what their Church believed of Scripture without any opportunity to influence the end result. The Leaders clearly chose to relegate the women to a "lesser" position, thus placing them in a terrible position. Yet the Leaders did not have the courage to "enforce" all of the beliefs/teachings they chose. Only the one was chosen to be strictly enforced. That being women in positions of authority.

This cowardly approach by the Church Leaders forced the women to be disobedient to the beliefs/teachings of their Church and its Leaders. Even though they were never instructed by their Church Leaders on how they should conform to those beliefs/teachings. That is the real issue of the OP. And that is why I am praying for these women.

This should of been added to the OP just saying. Thank you for the info now.

 

[John146]

This cowardly approach by the Church Leaders forced the women to be disobedient to the beliefs/teachings of their Church and its Leaders.

One can be forced to be disobedient?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

They were not being taught the gospel by those women. They were simply being informed of His resurrection. Later, the Lord would open their understanding why He died, was buried and resurrected.

Luke 24
4 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

When did the gospel begin? The good news? The message is still what we teach today. He has risen!

But at that moment what was the gospel message to be spoken? Verses 17 and 18.

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” 18 Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord”—and that he had said these things to her.

The men were not informed of this message, they remained ignorant of this knowledge until the women brought them the gospel/ good news. This was a message that brought all the disciples (men) who were hiding in fear back together again.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

One can be forced to be disobedient?

It is called brainwashing or indoctrination as they act against the teachings of God without knowing they are in the wrong. Willingly but unknowingly being disobedient.

 

[Aerials1978]

This a very broad area. Where to start and how to align all of it would take….well a very long time. God is a God of order. Men and women were created for specific purposes and to be part of the Bride of Christ.

The Apostles were ordained by Christ Himself to bring the news of the Gospel to all peoples. To deny their teachings is to deny Christ. Do we listen to scripture that was inspired by the Holy Spirit, or do we conform to cultural norms that can influence our perspective because we “feel” it’s the right thing to do?

 

[SophieT]

Lol,what is does this supposed to prove?

it proves what you and several others blatently refuse to acknowledge and there is nothing funny in that

it shows your disregard for what is plainly told to us

and why would that be? how is it women spreading the gospel seems to be amusing to you?

 

[Mem]

so fitting in a strange way

The word ox or oxen can actually refer to both male and female bovines. Bulls are usually castrated to make them more docile.

 

[SophieT]

Or, it may just be easier for you to blame the OP because you jumped to a conclusion that proved to be a mistaken one. Ample clarity was given. Have restated the "disclaimer" numerous times here...........

ok. you are refusing to see what you blame on everyone else

and not everyone has read your posts to know your background or what you stated previously

I certainly don't read everyone's posts and I had no prior knowledge on which to reach a different understanding

you were not clear. you would help yourself if you would see that people are being polite but telling you the same thing

this is not something to argue about. no one is perfect here and I am sure no one wants to discredit you

 

[SophieT]

The word ox or oxen can actually refer to both male and female bovines. Bulls are usually castrated to make them more docile.

ok...........not sure why you said this tho?

 

[Mem]

ok...........not sure why you said this tho?

All this brings muzzling the ox to mind.

 

[John146]

When did the gospel begin? The good news? The message is still what we teach today. He has risen!

But at that moment what was the gospel message to be spoken? Verses 17 and 18.

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” 18 Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord”—and that he had said these things to her.

The men were not informed of this message, they remained ignorant of this knowledge until the women brought them the gospel/ good news. This was a message that brought all the disciples (men) who were hiding in fear back together again.

You should read Luke 24 again.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

All this brings muzzling the ox to mind.

Which ox needs muzzling? Male or female? This feels like a shoe fitting into mouth direction lol.

 

[SophieT]

All this brings muzzling the ox to mind.

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did not have coffee yet

I'm still puzzled with a slight possibility of beginning to understand

you mean telling women to shut up?

 

[SophieT]

Which ox needs muzzling? Male or female? This feels like a shoe fitting into mouth direction lol.

no no

that's hoof and mouth disease

 

[SophieT]

You should read Luke 24 again.

another non sequitur

you are good at those

 

[Mem]

Which ox needs muzzling? Male or female? This feels like a shoe fitting into mouth direction lol.

The topic is the alleged justification of muzzling the female... isn't it?

 

[SophieT]

The topic is the alleged justification of muzzling the female... isn't it?

the female

better than the male's lot I suspect

 

[John146]

it proves what you and several others blatently refuse to acknowledge and there is nothing funny in that

it shows your disregard for what is plainly told to us

and why would that be? how is it women spreading the gospel seems to be amusing to you?

Please listen, not with emotions...women can and should spread the gospel. Scripture is clear about the role of women and men in the local assembly, the local church body.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

You should read Luke 24 again.

Luke 24

Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Let me ask a question, if these verses brought a crowd of people both men and women to faith by simply hearing the Words of God.

How would you feel if a women spoke the words?