The Trinity.

[Michael68]

What does Exodus 23:20-23 and Exodus 24:9-11 have to do with anything?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

As you don't know, and you also must believe a person will stand condemned on the day of judgement if they stand on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth, Im placing you on ignore also. Im getting rather tired of head theologists in this debate

 

[Michael68]

Exodus 23:

הִנֵּ֨ה אָנֹכִ֜י שֹׁלֵ֤חַ מַלְאָךְ֙ לְפָנֶ֔יךָ לִשְׁמׇרְךָ֖ בַּדָּ֑רֶךְ וְלַהֲבִ֣יאֲךָ֔ אֶל־הַמָּק֖וֹם אֲשֶׁ֥ר הֲכִנֹֽתִי׃
I am sending a messenger before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have made ready.


הִשָּׁ֧מֶר מִפָּנָ֛יו וּשְׁמַ֥ע בְּקֹל֖וֹ אַל־תַּמֵּ֣ר בּ֑וֹ כִּ֣י לֹ֤א יִשָּׂא֙ לְפִשְׁעֲכֶ֔ם כִּ֥י שְׁמִ֖י בְּקִרְבּֽוֹ׃
Pay heed to him and obey him. Do not defy him, for he will not pardon your offenses, since My Name is in him;


כִּ֣י אִם־שָׁמ֤וֹעַ תִּשְׁמַע֙ בְּקֹל֔וֹ וְעָשִׂ֕יתָ כֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֲדַבֵּ֑ר וְאָֽיַבְתִּי֙ אֶת־אֹ֣יְבֶ֔יךָ וְצַרְתִּ֖י אֶת־צֹרְרֶֽיךָ׃
but if you obey him and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and a foe to your foes.


כִּֽי־יֵלֵ֣ךְ מַלְאָכִי֮ לְפָנֶ֒יךָ֒ וֶהֱבִֽיאֲךָ֗ אֶל־הָֽאֱמֹרִי֙ וְהַ֣חִתִּ֔י וְהַפְּרִזִּי֙ וְהַֽכְּנַעֲנִ֔י הַחִוִּ֖י וְהַיְבוּסִ֑י וְהִכְחַדְתִּֽיו׃
When My messenger goes before you and brings you to the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, and I annihilate them,

The Holy Spirit does not rely on a person reading the Greek to learn, He can work with any reputable translation. A must for head theologists though

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Exodus 24:




וַיַּ֥עַל מֹשֶׁ֖ה וְאַהֲרֹ֑ן נָדָב֙ וַאֲבִיה֔וּא וְשִׁבְעִ֖ים מִזִּקְנֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃
Then Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy elders of Israel ascended;


וַיִּרְא֕וּ אֵ֖ת אֱלֹהֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל וְתַ֣חַת רַגְלָ֗יו כְּמַעֲשֵׂה֙ לִבְנַ֣ת הַסַּפִּ֔יר וּכְעֶ֥צֶם הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם לָטֹֽהַר׃
and they saw the God of Israel—under whose feet was the likeness of a pavement of sapphire, like the very sky for purity.


וְאֶל־אֲצִילֵי֙ בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א שָׁלַ֖ח יָד֑וֹ וַֽיֶּחֱזוּ֙ אֶת־הָ֣אֱלֹהִ֔ים וַיֹּאכְל֖וּ וַיִּשְׁתּֽוּ׃ {ס}
Yet [God] did not raise a hand against the leaders of the Israelites; they beheld God, and they ate and drank.


וַיֹּ֨אמֶר יְהֹוָ֜ה אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֗ה עֲלֵ֥ה אֵלַ֛י הָהָ֖רָה וֶהְיֵה־שָׁ֑ם וְאֶתְּנָ֨ה לְךָ֜ אֶת־לֻחֹ֣ת הָאֶ֗בֶן וְהַתּוֹרָה֙ וְהַמִּצְוָ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר כָּתַ֖בְתִּי לְהוֹרֹתָֽם׃
יהוה said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and wait there, and I will give you the stone tablets with the teachings and commandments which I have inscribed to instruct them.”


I ADDED LAST VERSE TO SHOW THIS GOES INTO THE WRITING OF THE COMMANDMENTS

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

1 John 4:
12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.

14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

 

[Michael68]

Exodus 24:




וַיַּ֥עַל מֹשֶׁ֖ה וְאַהֲרֹ֑ן נָדָב֙ וַאֲבִיה֔וּא וְשִׁבְעִ֖ים מִזִּקְנֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃
Then Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy elders of Israel ascended;


וַיִּרְא֕וּ אֵ֖ת אֱלֹהֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל וְתַ֣חַת רַגְלָ֗יו כְּמַעֲשֵׂה֙ לִבְנַ֣ת הַסַּפִּ֔יר וּכְעֶ֥צֶם הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם לָטֹֽהַר׃
and they saw the God of Israel—under whose feet was the likeness of a pavement of sapphire, like the very sky for purity.


וְאֶל־אֲצִילֵי֙ בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א שָׁלַ֖ח יָד֑וֹ וַֽיֶּחֱזוּ֙ אֶת־הָ֣אֱלֹהִ֔ים וַיֹּאכְל֖וּ וַיִּשְׁתּֽוּ׃ {ס}
Yet [God] did not raise a hand against the leaders of the Israelites; they beheld God, and they ate and drank.


וַיֹּ֨אמֶר יְהֹוָ֜ה אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֗ה עֲלֵ֥ה אֵלַ֛י הָהָ֖רָה וֶהְיֵה־שָׁ֑ם וְאֶתְּנָ֨ה לְךָ֜ אֶת־לֻחֹ֣ת הָאֶ֗בֶן וְהַתּוֹרָה֙ וְהַמִּצְוָ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר כָּתַ֖בְתִּי לְהוֹרֹתָֽם׃
יהוה said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and wait there, and I will give you the stone tablets with the teachings and commandments which I have inscribed to instruct them.”


I ADDED LAST VERSE TO SHOW THIS GOES INTO THE WRITING OF THE COMMANDMENTS

At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, ‘I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do. Luke10:21

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The Holy Spirit does not rely on a person reading the Greek to learn, He can work with any reputable translation. A must for head theologists though

you are saying Exodus 23 is about the Holy Spirit?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, ‘I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do. Luke10:21

and they saw the God of Israel—under whose feet was the likeness of a pavement of sapphire, like the very sky for purity.

Now you are describing portions of the Throne Room for Ancient of Days in Ezekiel and Jesus Christ in Revelation.
But, Jesus, ain't God?

 

[Michael68]

you are saying Exodus 23 is about the Holy Spirit?

Im not saying anything, you're the scholar, just reason as you will

 

[Michael68]

and they saw the God of Israel—under whose feet was the likeness of a pavement of sapphire, like the very sky for purity.

Now you are describing portions of the Throne Room for Ancient of Days in Ezekiel and Jesus Christ in Revelation.
But, Jesus, ain't God?

Really? I quoted Luk10:21 That's what you responded to with the above

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Really? I quoted Luk10:21 That's what you responded to with the above

you gave Exodus 24 first and then added Luke 10 to my Posted Scriptures of Chapter 24.

 

[Michael68]

you gave Exodus 24 first and then added Luke 10 to my Posted Scriptures of Chapter 24.

Tell you what, you just carry on doing your greek extrapolation of scripture. I will leave you to it. Bye

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

i am adding the Scripture references to see your big Reveal, is all, but making comments along the way

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Tell you what, you just carry on doing your greek extrapolation of scripture. I will leave you to it. Bye

Greek?
I am posting HEBREW, God's Chosen Language, to His "original" People.

how do you not know the difference?

 

[bluto]

As you don't know, and you also must believe a person will stand condemned on the day of judgement if they stand on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth, Im placing you on ignore also. Im getting rather tired of head theologists in this debate

All I did was ask about the two Exodus verses you quoted. I give you 2 Timothy 2:24, "And the Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged." At this rate you won't have anyone to talk with. So again, please tell me what the Exodus verses have to do with anything?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Michael68

you loathe scholars and i am right there with you. but you forget that we are displaying a Command by God, with our answers to you, that you ridicule.

study to show thyself approved:
This is a Command to know the meaning to each Verse from every possible angle with the Holy Spirit guiding us.

God, wants us to become scholars.

You, like the rest of us, still have so much to learn about every Verse you think you already have figured out.

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

I am not doing that, I want to read, that you believe Jesus is God, the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God.

i just did not ever read you say you believe Jesus is God.

Is Jesus the WORD, in John 1:1, to you?

There lies the problem. Minds of men calling the Word the 2nd person of the Trinity. Yet Jesus clearly taught His words do not come from Himself but from His Father.

John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

I don't understand how a 2nd person of the trinity can't speak his own words if he's God.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Jesus is the everlasting Father as Isaiah 9:6 claims and the trinity is a lie.

Yes, as Everlasting Originator of all 'created' things. Also notice:

160 Scriptural Reasons The LORD Jesus Christ Is Almighty God!

Amen.

 

[Cameron143]

There lies the problem. Minds of men calling the Word the 2nd person of the Trinity. Yet Jesus clearly taught His words do not come from Himself but from His Father.

John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

I don't understand how a 2nd person of the trinity can't speak his own words if he's God.

That's because you don't fully understand the role of a suffering servant Messiah. As the 2nd Adam He had to do all that His predecessor failed to do...this involved submission and suffering.
Also, you do not fully understand God's ways. We have this treasure in earthen vessels so the power may be seen to be of God. In our weakness, He is strong. We are more than conquerors because God uses our weakness, and takes what should overcome us and uses it to our profit.
Among other things, Jesus was our example of how to live in submission to God for His glory. The next time we see Jesus, He will come in all His glory and every knee shall bow before Him. He is the King of kings and Lord of all.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I don't understand how a 2nd person of the trinity can't speak his own words if he's God.

Must be The Humble Submission of God, The SON, To Do The Will Of The Father, eh?

Then, Imagine The DOUBLE Humble Submission Of The 'Third Person,' God, The Holy
Spirit, To Be Sent By BOTH God, The Father, And God, The SON!!! (John 14:26; 16:7)

Amen.

 

[Michael68]

If some spent as much time studying the gospel message that is pertinent to growth in the faith rather than subjects like trinity they would be far better off. Alas, on sites such as these that is so often relegated to almost insignificance so people can revel in debates that in truth don't help their growth one iota. All that matters is theological debate of the academic mind. No wonder extra biblical beliefs are demanded that you seldom hear in the churches themselves. For head theology is not their master, or god there