The Strength of Sin is the Law
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A covenant establishes a relationship. The old covenant established the relationship that God had with his people, and gave blessings for following the "law". As a protection for His people there was the sacrificial system established so sin did not kill but blood was shed in symbolism of the blood of Christ for atonement. It was like the early Hebrew marriage. When that covenant was up dated and Christ gave his blood for a much better sacrifice it was the fulfillment of what the symbol of His blood. That is why we say Christ fulfilled.
All of this has nothing to do with obeying law. That is part of the covenant we have with our God. It is like getting breakfast for our spouse because we love him.
The law guides us to living with blessings, walking with the Lord in the way He has made for us has always been a blessing and is not new and old.
If you toss out the OT teachings as being old covenant and all obsolete now you much toss out the NT, also, for almost a third of that testament refers to things we need to follow in the OT. It recommends following God as He is eternal, what God says is eternal and does not change. If it is only filled with old covenant stuff and that is not to be followed, we would have to not follow the NT also.
All of this has nothing to do with obeying law. That is part of the covenant we have with our God. It is like getting breakfast for our spouse because we love him.
The law guides us to living with blessings, walking with the Lord in the way He has made for us has always been a blessing and is not new and old.
If you toss out the OT teachings as being old covenant and all obsolete now you much toss out the NT, also, for almost a third of that testament refers to things we need to follow in the OT. It recommends following God as He is eternal, what God says is eternal and does not change. If it is only filled with old covenant stuff and that is not to be followed, we would have to not follow the NT also.
i agree, though i think that might technically be a misuse of the word 'grace' ((?))
by His grace we are included in Him by faith, being immersed into Him we die with Him, sharing both His death and His resurrection - through dying with Him we are made free from the Law, robbing sin of its power and death from its sting, being 'swallowed up in victory' through living with Him also, a life by His Spirit, which empowers us - a gift of His grace - to walk in Him, righteously, in accord with the righteousness He declares of us for our faith.
a little more complicated to say
He is the cart and the horse!
what i meant originally is that it isn't by our walking uprightly that sin is made powerless over us; it's by being found in Him, in His death and resurrection - which removes the dominion of sin and also, since it is through His Spirit we live in Him, works in us to walk upright.
i don't mind the opportunity to say more though because it's opportunity to praise Him for all this He has done and continues to work in us
by His grace we are included in Him by faith, being immersed into Him we die with Him, sharing both His death and His resurrection - through dying with Him we are made free from the Law, robbing sin of its power and death from its sting, being 'swallowed up in victory' through living with Him also, a life by His Spirit, which empowers us - a gift of His grace - to walk in Him, righteously, in accord with the righteousness He declares of us for our faith.
a little more complicated to say
He is the cart and the horse!
what i meant originally is that it isn't by our walking uprightly that sin is made powerless over us; it's by being found in Him, in His death and resurrection - which removes the dominion of sin and also, since it is through His Spirit we live in Him, works in us to walk upright.
i don't mind the opportunity to say more though because it's opportunity to praise Him for all this He has done and continues to work in us
Here is Paul commenting on why he keeps sinning.
Romans 7 AMPC
14 We know that the Law is spiritual; but I am a creature of the flesh [carnal, unspiritual], having been sold into slavery under [the control of] sin.
15 For I do not understand my own actions [I am baffled, bewildered]. I do not practice or accomplish what I wish, but I do the very thing that I loathe [which my moral instinct condemns].
16 Now if I do [habitually] what is contrary to my desire, [that means that] I acknowledge and agree that the Law is good (morally excellent) and that I take sides with it.
17 However, it is no longer I who do the deed, but the sin [principle] which is at home in me and has possession of me.
18 For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot perform it. [I have the intention and urge to do what is right, but no power to carry it out.]
19 For I fail to practice the good deeds I desire to do, but the evil deeds that I do not desire to do are what I am [ever] doing.
20 Now if I do what I do not desire to do, it is no longer I doing it [it is not myself that acts], but the sin [principle] which dwells within me [fixed and operating in my soul].
21 So I find it to be a law (rule of action of my being) that when I want to do what is right and good, evil is ever present with me and I am subject to its insistent demands.
22 For I endorse and delight in the Law of God in my inmost self [with my new nature].
23 But I discern in my bodily members [[d]in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh] a different law (rule of action) at war against the law of my mind (my reason) and making me a prisoner to the law of sin that dwells in my bodily organs [in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh].
24 O unhappy and pitiable and wretched man that I am! Who will release and deliver me from [the shackles of] this body of death?
25 O thank God! [He will!] through Jesus Christ (the Anointed One) our Lord! So then indeed I, of myself with the mind and heart, serve the Law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 7 AMPC
14 We know that the Law is spiritual; but I am a creature of the flesh [carnal, unspiritual], having been sold into slavery under [the control of] sin.
15 For I do not understand my own actions [I am baffled, bewildered]. I do not practice or accomplish what I wish, but I do the very thing that I loathe [which my moral instinct condemns].
16 Now if I do [habitually] what is contrary to my desire, [that means that] I acknowledge and agree that the Law is good (morally excellent) and that I take sides with it.
17 However, it is no longer I who do the deed, but the sin [principle] which is at home in me and has possession of me.
18 For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot perform it. [I have the intention and urge to do what is right, but no power to carry it out.]
19 For I fail to practice the good deeds I desire to do, but the evil deeds that I do not desire to do are what I am [ever] doing.
20 Now if I do what I do not desire to do, it is no longer I doing it [it is not myself that acts], but the sin [principle] which dwells within me [fixed and operating in my soul].
21 So I find it to be a law (rule of action of my being) that when I want to do what is right and good, evil is ever present with me and I am subject to its insistent demands.
22 For I endorse and delight in the Law of God in my inmost self [with my new nature].
23 But I discern in my bodily members [[d]in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh] a different law (rule of action) at war against the law of my mind (my reason) and making me a prisoner to the law of sin that dwells in my bodily organs [in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh].
24 O unhappy and pitiable and wretched man that I am! Who will release and deliver me from [the shackles of] this body of death?
25 O thank God! [He will!] through Jesus Christ (the Anointed One) our Lord! So then indeed I, of myself with the mind and heart, serve the Law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
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Paul said, "Do you not know that you are the Temple of God (where the Holy Spirit abides), and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? (That makes the Born-again Believer His permanent home.)
He also said, "If any man defile the Temple of God (our physical bodies must be a living Sacrifice, which means that we stay Holy by ever making the Cross the object of our Faith [Rom. 12:1]), him shall God destroy (to fail to function in God's prescribed Order [the Cross], opens the Believer up to Satan, which will ultimately result in destruction); for the Temple of God is Holy, which Temple you are" (We are "Holy" by virtue of being "in Christ." We remain Holy by the Work of the Holy Spirit, Who demands that our Faith ever be in the Cross, which has made all of this possible.) (1 Cor. 3:16-17).
This Passage has a double meaning:
1. It speaks of individuals who are Spirit-filled but defile the Temple, which is the physical body along with the spirit and the soul. This can be done by any number of ways: alcohol, drugs, immorality, envy, jealousy, bitterness, unforgiveness, etc.
2. It has, as well, a second meaning, which is even greater. It speaks of the Body of Christ as a whole, in other words, the Church, which has turned away from the Cross of Christ to other things. By other things, we are referring to humanistic psychology, the wisdom of this world, or schemes devised by men, which are not the Cross of Christ. Jesus Christ is the Source of everything we receive from God, and the Cross of Christ is the Means, and the only Means, by which all of these things are given to us. When I say, "All," I mean "all." He plainly tells us that if we defile this Temple, He will destroy it exactly as He destroyed the Temple of old. That destruction was carried out by the Roman Tenth Legion, which completely destroyed it in every capacity.
The physical body of the Believer is the House of God. The biggest danger for modern Believers, as it regards "defiling the Temple of God," is placing their faith in something other than Christ and the Cross. It doesn't matter what the other thing is, if it's not the Cross of Christ, the Lord cannot bless it.
JSM
He also said, "If any man defile the Temple of God (our physical bodies must be a living Sacrifice, which means that we stay Holy by ever making the Cross the object of our Faith [Rom. 12:1]), him shall God destroy (to fail to function in God's prescribed Order [the Cross], opens the Believer up to Satan, which will ultimately result in destruction); for the Temple of God is Holy, which Temple you are" (We are "Holy" by virtue of being "in Christ." We remain Holy by the Work of the Holy Spirit, Who demands that our Faith ever be in the Cross, which has made all of this possible.) (1 Cor. 3:16-17).
This Passage has a double meaning:
1. It speaks of individuals who are Spirit-filled but defile the Temple, which is the physical body along with the spirit and the soul. This can be done by any number of ways: alcohol, drugs, immorality, envy, jealousy, bitterness, unforgiveness, etc.
2. It has, as well, a second meaning, which is even greater. It speaks of the Body of Christ as a whole, in other words, the Church, which has turned away from the Cross of Christ to other things. By other things, we are referring to humanistic psychology, the wisdom of this world, or schemes devised by men, which are not the Cross of Christ. Jesus Christ is the Source of everything we receive from God, and the Cross of Christ is the Means, and the only Means, by which all of these things are given to us. When I say, "All," I mean "all." He plainly tells us that if we defile this Temple, He will destroy it exactly as He destroyed the Temple of old. That destruction was carried out by the Roman Tenth Legion, which completely destroyed it in every capacity.
The physical body of the Believer is the House of God. The biggest danger for modern Believers, as it regards "defiling the Temple of God," is placing their faith in something other than Christ and the Cross. It doesn't matter what the other thing is, if it's not the Cross of Christ, the Lord cannot bless it.
JSM
Either you are under "Grace" or the "Law." There must be "oil in the lamp (extra oil for refilling's daily - Matthew 25:1-13)" What caused the lamps to go out in the time of Samuel as a boy, is causing the lamps to go out presently (1 Sam. 3:1-9). The Bible teaches us that many Christians retained the outward show and form of Faith but neglected the true inward life of Faith. The "Law" is a curse.
Remember, Jesus said out of the 10 Virgins (Believers), 5 were wise and 5 became foolish (once a Believer)...their oil was gone.
Remember, Jesus said out of the 10 Virgins (Believers), 5 were wise and 5 became foolish (once a Believer)...their oil was gone.
And if you refuse to learn what the old system of blood did for atonement, the system that Christ updated, then you cannot understand what Christ is doing for you. All the people who first accepted Christ as their Savior knew, and if they didn't but came from a pagan background they went to synagogue to learn. They learned that Christ did it better, also.